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Birthers Usually Some "Cracker" On The Right, Says NBC Anchor

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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Was surprised not to see this out here in the madness. Maybe I missed it when I searched.

Bad week for birthers....

Appeals Bid From Birther Lawyer Rejected, Again

Also, seems Chris Matthews did a bad, bad thing. I think he flubbed this and should be more careful about what he says. That being said, it's ironic he spends most of the rest of the segment talking about harsh language from others? Wow.



"So much of this attack on Obama has been ad hominem -- directed at the person, the president. Whether it's somebody, some cracker out there on the right calling him -- some birther type that he's not an American or it is someone a little more sophisticated, but basically saying he's a socialist," MSNBC's Chris Matthews said.


You can see this video here

And on Real Time with Bill Maher, James Carville (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't find a transcript or video at this point) said the house whip ought to tell the birthers to shut the hell up because they're an embarrassment.




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Birthers Usually Some "Cracker" On The Right, Says NBC Anchor


It is entirely political.

The effort is to associate the idea of Obama being born in another country with the negative. It is stopped NOT by disproving the accusation, but by discrediting those who are seeking the proof. This kind of ploy is played by both sides in the red/blue war... and is nothing new.

If the public has gained an ounce of wisdom in the last 3 decades about party politics, then such remarks shed like water off a duck.

I remain convinced that if Mr. Obama would simply produce that original BC, the birthers would vanish into thin air. So, I am therefore suspicious of the reasons why this has not happened.

In other words, I am a cracker, lol!


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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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The use of the term 'cracker' is no different than the use of the term 'n****r'. It is absolutely no different. Matthews is a belligeren­t idiot. He is no better than Beck, Maher, Limbaugh, or any of the other "right/lef­t" pundits.
The Tea Party was hijacked by NeoCons.

And while we are on the subject, Obama is more of a NeoCon than he is a liberal or a socialist. In fact, he and Bush both have tread ever to close to fascism. If the liberals don't wake up and see that their "hero" is no better than the last half wit, we are all screwed.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Yes, kind of weird that Chris Mathews used a racist remark describing himself.

Wasn't it him just a few weeks ago, that called on Obama to show his birth certificate?

Calling himself a cracker. Hmmm, I think the professional Left that are the spokesman for the White House, like MSNBC, are showing their psychopathy.


"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." Ghandi

Seems like we are in the last phase. The latest episode of the psychopathy of the professional left has really showed the truth to everyone. I thought the 2010 election was a landslide. Watch in 2012 when the conservatives push out another huge chunk of the Neo Cons in the Republican and Democrat parties.

It will be worse than this past drubbing.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by traderjack
The use of the term 'cracker' is no different than the use of the term 'n****r'. It is absolutely no different. Matthews is a belligeren­t idiot. He is no better than Beck, Maher, Limbaugh, or any of the other "right/lef­t" pundits.
The Tea Party was hijacked by NeoCons.


Much as I don't like CM, he has used that term before. It's never been in the way you think. I think it's a New England kinda slang term/thing, not the other use of the term cracker that you are thinking of. More of a crackpot kinda meaning.

Perhaps someone from up there could confirm. .



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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S&F Lucidity.

No surprise; Chris Matthews and hypocrisy are not often far away from each other. But I guess it's not hypocrisy when the left practice it, just when the right does.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Cracker has ONE meaning, you can attempt to assuage Mathew's stupidity and racism all you want.

It is derived by the slave owner that used whips on their slaves.

Chris Mathews is the bug that a bug wipes off their shoes. At one point in his ramblings he will make sense. Then the rest of the show is pure vile and heinous vitriol, that makes Mr. Ed look sane.

ohhhh the tingles.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Your title is misleading. Your use of the word 'usually' is sensationalistic. The anchor never said usually. He said 'whether it be".

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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I'll admit I don't watch MSNBC, nor FOX etc. But I thought Chris Mathews was a "Talking Head" not an "Anchor"?

I might be confused, but I always think of Anchor like "Brian Williams" "Walter Konchrite" etc??

As for James Carville goes...he is a character and has said tons of brilliant and very stupid stuff...which I guess is bound to happen as much as he talks.

As far as "Cracker"...it would be innacurate even as a slur...Alan Keyes comes to mind.

Not to say that it doesn't take a commitment to ignorance to keep believing the birther nonsense

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by traderjack
The use of the term 'cracker' is no different than the use of the term 'n****r'. It is absolutely no different. Matthews is a belligeren­t idiot. He is no better than Beck, Maher, Limbaugh, or any of the other "right/lef­t" pundits.
The Tea Party was hijacked by NeoCons.


Much as I don't like CM, he has used that term before. It's never been in the way you think. I think it's a New England kinda slang term/thing, not the other use of the term cracker that you are thinking of. More of a crackpot kinda meaning.

Perhaps someone from up there could confirm. .


Pavil, don't patronize me. You know quite well it wasn't a pejorative for a 'crackpot'. It was meant as a term against what he perceives as white trash which is anyone that doesn't agree with him that is White. Anyone that lives in a rural part of America that is White and doesn't swoon every time Obama speaks.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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I'm in New Hampshire, and I can assure you no one up here uses the word "cracker".



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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When looking into this a bit, I read that Bill Clinton once (or maybe more than once) referred to "the cracker vote."

Maybe not be a big deal, but again...people in positions of "power" need to be careful how they say things on air, for public consumption and scrutiny.

It's a very fine line between being able to be "real" and talk the way you would to your friends in private...friends who understand you and where you're coming from and your history and what's in your heart,..and the population in general who may not know you so well.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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@the carville crack. he had me laughing...that's for sure. "Use your whip!"

As for Matthews? He apparently started in DC as a Capitol Hill cop, was a speechwriter for Carter, ran unsuccessfully for Congress. So I'd call him a commentator or anchor but one without a journalism background, I guess? Says his educational background is economics. Reading his bio was sort of interesting....
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Matthews is not a journalist any more than Glen Beck is. Matthews is a paid commentator in reality much in the same sense that Jerry Springer is. The only difference between the two is that Springer doesn't hide behind the facade of a real news show. And Matthews ultimate master is ratings, controversy, and attention.

So, in a very real sense, as we are all here talking about him in this thread...

Mission accomplished Chris.

~Heff



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Yeah I added that above as you were typing. However, in his defense, will say he seems to have a lot more experience with both the news media and politics than most do. He's been in and around DC for a long time now.

One of the reasons I posted this was because in my perception we really don't seem to talk about him much. This seemed to slide by, not only here but in a lot of the blogosphere. Maybe because it was a busy "news" week and everyone had other people to focus on?

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Matthews is not a journalist any more than Glen Beck is. Matthews is a paid commentator in reality much in the same sense that Jerry Springer is. ~Heff


Sidenote: Springer was Mayor of Cincinnati, also a campaign aid to Robert Kennedy before he was assasinated, served on City Council and ran for Congress as well as Govenor...I still can't reconcile any of it with the "Jerry Springer Show"...America is a strange land at times.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Birthers are an embarrassment. We're how many years into this Presidency? It's been a long time since the birth certificate was presented to them but they still claim it doesn't count or its a fake, etc. Reminds me very heavily of the followers of that starchild skull craze, how many times does it have to be shown to be human before people will stop believing wild nonsense? How many times does Obama have to prove he's a US natural born citizen before these people will give it a rest.

I do think the word Cracker is a bit immature and silly for a newsman however I agree that many of the most passionate anti-Obama Birther types are white "rednecks".

The irrational fear of Obama may be motivated by more than the color of his skin or his party affiliation however no one can argue that those two factors don't play a massive part in some of the irrational paranoia that has been stirred in this country.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Ohh Shawn Hanity, I mean Chris Matthews....(?)

Always a little more crazy everytime you speak eh?

Ohh well, what more can we expect; MSNBC's job is basically to counter everything on CNN and Fox with more polarizing and partisan bickering.

I don't even know why people watch the news anymore. I mean news use to be facts, now it's all opinion. Why would you want somebody else's opinon of the daily news?

We should be getting facts and only the facts. Allow people to make up their own minds.

~Keeper



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Meh - Matthews is about the same as Olbermann who is about the same as Maddow who is about the same Beck, who is about the same as Hannity who is about the same as O'Reilly. They are all just talking heads representing the extremes of the left of and of the right. What they want is for the other side to be civil while they get a free pass to spew their venom.

Sadly, I see this view filtering down more and more to the rest of the left and the right. For some reason, each side feels the other should "be nice" while they continue to spew vile.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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I always forget that about Springer. Maybe it's because I never think about Springer


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With slight differences in experience and background...and there are differences and credibility issues all around. Ever look up Hannity's background? Some people just know how to talk, I guess. It's just what infotainment is becoming.


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