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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by Mike Stivic
reply to post by MrAnnunaki
 



is it okey i ask you for proof that ats is not controlled by the gov?


Is it okay if I ask you for proof that ats IS controlled by the government?

Usually the burdon of proof rests upon the one making the accusation or claim....



~meathead


this question makes people here pissed i can see that
so it may be legit or it may be not.





posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:38 AM
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with regards to john lear and the statement regarding ats being a cia front. this is one of many opinions. i have looked at some of lears work and it is interesting. what happened on the board regarding his tenureship on here is between him and the mods. i personally do not know the ins and outs of why he got banned but when it comes to extraordinary claims, they do need backing up with extraordinary evidence.
quote.
Here John Lear describes how ATS.com is actually a CIA Front operation used to collect
Ufo information from the public and how debunkers troll the ats website and forums to
harrass users trying to post real info. end quote. courtesy of disclose tv.

ats is many things not just ufo materials. debunkers do roam the boards and on occasion will cause imbalance.
it is neccessary for all to consider this allegation may well have some truth in it, however truth if backed up with evidence cannot be stifled and if it is found that there is inteference from agencies it will be as clear as daylight to all.
this imo is one of many facets that is ats, a touchy subject and i would consider the fact that if a poster gets too close for the comfort of the agencies, it would be inevitable that pressure would be brought down to bear on the site owners. if it is the case that the agencies are intent on stifling hardcore evidence, be it in the national or global interests then this again will be apparent.
i suppose if the mods and owners gave the finger to the agencies and said 'stuff yer', this site would be down in no time.
diplomacy and the ability to tread carefully on this board are a must for all serious researchers. the trolls however
eventually show their true colours.
in all my years on this site (since inception, signed up 04) i have only had one security warning regarding information i was about to post. it was i realised quite sensitive and i realised it could be construed as a national security issue. i would rather abide by a nudge of caution than have my days somewhat shortened.
lastly i am still convinced that ats is not a front for the cia, more the case they are present to filter and stop issues of national security leaking out. i would not want to consider the alternative path of rubbing these guys up. they are more powerful, have more resources and have the ability to alter ones normal happy existence.
just my opinion.
regards f



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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I smell extreme paranoia.

Is there any website that the government is not watching? I would probably hazard a guess that a bunch of UFO believing middle age men on ATS are the least of the governments worries, lets look at the common topics on ATS to ascertain whether we are being watched.

Reptilians are among us.
I was at Roswell
Nibiru exists
I filmed this UFO etc etc.
The end of the world is coming
The end of the world is tomorrow
The end of the world is next year
Chemtrails!
You have no freedom!

I would say that the government has little to worry about when it comes to ATS, they watch 4CHAN much more closely.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by MrAnnunaki
is it okey i ask you for proof that ats is not controlled by the gov?


As much as hate answering a question with a question, what kind of proof would satisfy you?

That I have met the owners of the site on more than one occasion?
That they are real people?
That the staff is real?

TO be frank I'm curious as to what kind of proof would satisfy you?

edit on 1/16/11 by FredT because: added question mark


you hate to answer a question you know the answer too,
its just a question not a clame calm down

and for the proof that ats is controlled by the Gov i got none to satisfy you, just as you got none for me.

word against word i guess.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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reply to post by MrAnnunaki
 


That's called an argument from ignorance. Look it up to see how silly that actually is.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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reply to post by fakedirt
 


thank you for your reply

and i do believe you are right.

ATS is NOT a CIA front, but the CIA uses ATS and more now than ever

also, if the TPTB would close down illegal porn servers, pirate servers, etc it would be easy but TPTB is not interested in closing down these things, nor are they interested in closing down ATS

still i think ATS should be more focused on banning trolls than banning people who has something important to share

i have recently been looking at other conspiracy forums and still believe ATS is the best, in technology means, not that ATS is very advanced, in my opinion lots of improvements could be made to better keep track of whats being said and have been said

as a ufo resarcher i do believe in the existance of UFO's as ive seen hundreds, yes hundreds, of unexplained flying objecs, also i do believe that there exist a double effort in subjects like these from government ie. NWO agents, one is promoting them, one is doing the opposite, this way they can find the people doing the research, its like banning a substance like a drug and then making huge profits on it illegally

i will not take this subject further but i do advise ATS to make new members aware that they can't ever delete their posts or their user, this i find is the only real lure that ATS is doing

i hope that the word is kept free and that the internet will eventually be a great benefit for the common lifeforms on earth



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by Crutchley29
reply to post by MrAnnunaki
 


That's called an argument from ignorance. Look it up to see how silly that actually is.


sure, so if i turn the question around? does that make it argument from ignorance?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:22 AM
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Well no, as the neutral perspective is that this site is not owned nor has influence from the Government. You cannot apply the concept to a neutral perspective since you could go back and forth countering each others opinion.


edit on 17-1-2011 by Crutchley29 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:36 AM
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Does it bother me? Not really. I'm not the kind of person to think "all government is bad" so I can see what good they'd use ATS for in monitoring the most extreme kind of posts in much the same way as they'd monitor jihadist sites and forums to prevent more atrocities.

Remember, places like this are looked at as a source for the nutjobs of the world to spout rhetoric regarding the NWO and whatever else so the majority will just laugh and shrug off whatever's being said here as being akin to the guy with the sandwich board yelling that the end is nigh.

If something hits a nerve and is actually correct then honestly, I doubt many in TPTB would really know about it other than rumour and hearsay from places like ATS while the few who do know obviously won't say anything.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:45 AM
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Of course the Gummint needs to monitor the internet .

that way they can see which/witch lies people believe/don't believe ,

..... and see how their most popular undetected lies are going .



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by Crutchley29
reply to post by MrAnnunaki
 


Well no, as the neutral perspective is that this site is not owned nor has influence from the Government. You cannot apply the concept to a neutral perspective since you could go back and forth countering each others opinion.


edit on 17-1-2011 by Crutchley29 because: (no reason given)


isn`t everyone doing that these days?

thanks for the reply



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
I certainly hope that the Government is trying to learn as much about the world we live in as possible.


I certainly hope that the people are trying to learn as much about their governments as possible.



-B.M



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by iniut
John Lear

ATS is CIA Front
Above Top Secretis a CIA Front


You do know that John Lear worked for the CIA flying Air America stuff...... don't you?

You really should check your sources.

BTW, if I work for the government as you claim, where are my salary, paycheck and benefits? It strikes me you'd know because I sure as hell don't...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:34 AM
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reply to post by here4awhile
 


I would check again my fine feathered friend!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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It doesn't bother me simply because I am not anti gov,and I dont post negative things any were.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by kennylee
If you are worried about your free speech, then you should give up your internet totally...


That is actually a very scary statement to make. I am quite shocked that someone using ATS would make such a statement.


I know it's only statement of fact, it's just the "oh well, so be it" that scares me.

I'm not concerned at all. I have long believed that this site in particular is watched very closely. However, although we might be extremely close to loosing all our rights to freedom of opinion and expression, we're not there yet.
There is nothing I write here that I wouldn't feel confident saying to anyone at any time.

We all have a right to our opinions about our government and those of other nations.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by gator43
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It doesn't bother me simply because I am not anti gov,and I dont post negative things any were.


So, do you believe and accept that a government has the right to pursue an individual critical of that government?

The term "anti-government" means to hold an opinion in opposition to that of your leadership. So are you really suggesting that you think it's fine for governments to harass, investigate and otherwise pursue citizens who hold and express a different view?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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I considered the watch list aspect and I dont mind if its watched. In some ways it can be a direct way to communicate subliminally with those who normally wouldnt hear us and can help if the right data is shared...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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To answer your question... Nope, doesn't bother me in the least. I've known for a VERY long time that spooks lurk here. Not only lurk, but some even engage in cointelpro - and I've got a pretty good idea of at least 3 members who are "Plants". Personally, I find it entertaining. The fact that they invest resources in this site means they are scared. They should be!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by rufusthestuntbum
Do you think the government don't keep an eye on your MyFace, on your text messages, scan emails for any words that would flag a warning, in fact don't they literally keep an 'eye' on all of us wherever we go using CCTV, the GPS in your mobile phone etc etc ?


I was thinking if someone developed free wireless communication, would the government try and stop/control it?

For example: www.masternewmedia.org...

I think the government would just say terrorists/paedophiles use it to stop it. I really hope something comes out of the above, but the wheels to stop it are probably in motion. Even corporate interests will be protected from the above.




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