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How Do We Know People Hate The Government?

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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How do we know people hate Social Security? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate foreign wars of aggression? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate Medicare? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate public schooling? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the drug war? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate fiat currency? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the federal reserve? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the police? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate gun laws? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the IRS? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate bank bailouts? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate subsidizing corporate agriculture? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the TSA? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

and on and on and so forth.

The nature of the State dictates that violence is at the root of everything it does. When something is good, it does not require the use of violence to impose upon the public. I can not think of one thing that is good for the public that requires violence to impose.

If I want to engage in a voluntary transaction with someone, it MUST be to the benefit of all parties involved or I would not chose to engage in that transaction. A socialist state is necessarily the ultimate expression of violence against the innocent. It comes as no surprise that socialist states have manged to kill more people than any other entity in all of human history.

Put down the guns people.

Believe in freedom.




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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A whole lot of people don't hate to be forced to do things at gun point. A lot of people like to be told what to do and a lot of people have Stockholm syndrome. Ever hear of dominatrix for example? Government is a lot like that



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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The people that use violence to get what they want are greedy and evil.

We typically call them democrats and republicans.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
...If I want to engage in a voluntary transaction with someone, it MUST be to the benefit of all parties involved or I would not chose to engage in that transaction. A socialist state is necessarily the ultimate expression of violence against the innocent. It comes as no surprise that socialist states have manged to kill more people than any other entity in all of human history.

Put down the guns people.

Believe in freedom.


Most people will engage in a transaction if it is beneficial to THEM. It's not so important about the other guys' benefitting or not. But I get what you're trying to say.

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Hey OP, have you read this before? From Markos Kloos, it has been going around being attributed to others, but this seems to be the origination of it.

munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com...



why the gun is civilization.
March 23, 2007
by Marko Kloos

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.


I think the author has it right, instead of putting down the gun, EVERYONE should pick one up. Metaphorically speaking of course.

(This has been driving me crazy, they have been doing this on the MSM. Anytime a metaphor is used that could be construed as violent, they are adding in the metaphorically speaking #)
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:13 PM
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Uh, I don't know about you, but the last time I read a thread like this, the guy was asked to seek help. It was obvious that he didn't because he did something real bad.

I have to totally disagree with your views on the subject of disarming everyone. There will always be: knives, spears, sticks, forks, glass, bombs, vehicles, steel, shovels, any gardening tool, etc...etc. The old clich, guns don't kill people, well you know....If you are not refering to disarming everyone then please make that clear, but that is what I took from your thread.

I am all for peace, but I realize that will never happen. Man kind is violent in nature for the most part.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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The only way to ensure peace is through superior firepower.

The government forces this "peace" upon us every day pretty much like the mafia by extorting protection money from businesses, the collections are assured by its enforcers......police. If you refuse to pay they take your property and you become a slave/prisoner where you are forced to work for them for free.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by civilchallenger
 


The people that use violence to get what they want are greedy and evil.

We typically call them democrats and republicans.



if we use violance against the evil elite, is that a good thing? if they manage to take away your gun and then hunt you to kill you isnt that lame?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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How Do We Know People Hate The Government?


Actually, I don't hate my government. I hate what is being done to, and with it.
I distrust my government because of what has been done to, and with it.

I don't hate public education or Social Security. Heck, I don't mind paying taxes because I know that without revenue, my street won't be paved, my garbage won't be picked up, the bridges will collapse, there won't be a cop or fire truck if I need them and... saints forgive me, my dog won't have a hydrant to urinate on in the morning.

Cheers



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by liejunkie01
Uh, I don't know about you, but the last time I read a thread like this, the guy was asked to seek help. It was obvious that he didn't because he did something real bad.

I have to totally disagree with your views on the subject of disarming everyone. There will always be: knives, spears, sticks, forks, glass, bombs, vehicles, steel, shovels, any gardening tool, etc...etc. The old clich, guns don't kill people, well you know....If you are not refering to disarming everyone then please make that clear, but that is what I took from your thread.

I am all for peace, but I realize that will never happen. Man kind is violent in nature for the most part.
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Disarming everyone returns us to the stone-age.

When those with the biggest biceps ruled.

Hence, why liberals hate guns.

Guns in the hands of the weak are a threat to the looting thugs in power.

FURTHER - guns make us independent of the State for security, which is the biggest sin one can commit in the eyes of a liberal.


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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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In the right light, study becomes insight
But the system that dissed us
Teaches us to read and right

So called facts are fraud
They want us to allege and pledge
And bow down to their God
Lost the culture, the culture lost
Spun our minds and through time
Ignorance has taken over
Yo, we gotta take the power back!
Bam! Here's the plan
Motherf#### Uncle Sam




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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What you are saying then is we need a fundamental change in society. I agree totally with you on this. Unfortunately guns are a part of this twisted wordl ran by twisted individuals. As long there is power there will be a power struggle. It is the nature of the beast. Sorry for my late reply. I had to step out for a while.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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I think the fundamental change that needs to happen is that people need to wake up and realize that looting each other does not create prosperity.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Economist Walter Block speaks about Anarchism at Loyola University.
Full video here


Bock describes the State as a bunch of barbarian looters.

I agree.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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How do we know people hate Social Security? - They don't...they freely and happly accept every check they get when it is their time to collect.

How do we know people hate foreign wars of aggression? - They don't...people sign up voluntarily everyday to join the military to fight these foreign wars.

How do we know people hate Medicare? - They don't, people who recieve it love it and depend on it.

How do we know people hate public schooling? - They don't, people freely send their kids to public school to recieve an education.

How do we know people hate the drug war? - They don't...people every day become police officers to enforce the drug laws.

How do we know people hate fiat currency? - They don't..people use it every day.

How do we know people hate the federal reserve? - They don't...on this one...most people don't even know what it is.

How do we know people hate the police? - They don't...people every day call them when they are in need of the police.

How do we know people hate gun laws? - They don't...gun regulations are a good thing...or should we just hand out guns to all psychos?

How do we know people hate the IRS? - They don't...people love the benefits of society they get from paying taxes...and the IRS allows that.

How do we know people hate bank bailouts? - They don't...it kept our economy from completely failing.

How do we know people hate subsidizing corporate agriculture? - They don't...people become farmers everyday and love to recieve their government check.

How do we know people hate the TSA? - They don't...they like not being blown up while flying in an airplane.




Any more questions?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Looters love the property they steal too.

That doesn't mean the original property owner doesn't hate them.

It is evil to justify violence and theft.

Don't be evil.


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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1
How do we know people hate Social Security? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate foreign wars of aggression? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate Medicare? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate public schooling? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the drug war? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate fiat currency? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the federal reserve? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the police? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate gun laws? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the IRS? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate bank bailouts? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate subsidizing corporate agriculture? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

How do we know people hate the TSA? - Because they have to be forced at gun point to support it.

and on and on and so forth.

The nature of the State dictates that violence is at the root of everything it does. When something is good, it does not require the use of violence to impose upon the public. I can not think of one thing that is good for the public that requires violence to impose.

If I want to engage in a voluntary transaction with someone, it MUST be to the benefit of all parties involved or I would not chose to engage in that transaction. A socialist state is necessarily the ultimate expression of violence against the innocent. It comes as no surprise that socialist states have manged to kill more people than any other entity in all of human history.

Put down the guns people.

Believe in freedom.



I don't hate the government. I just dislike the private interest globalists elites that parasite off of it. Thats why central authoritarian governments are flawed. They can be hijacked by anyone with alot raw resources,power,money,drugs,women,pedophile parties etc.

What happens when the private parasites can evade accountability? What happens when they are the villians with a multimillion dollar PR spin media machine? They start thinking they are untouchable and get greedy. Just like any other criminal/thief.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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The markets impose accountably.

Name one corporation that could get away with robbing and defrauding people and stay in business.

It is only through the power of the government gun that such behavior can run unchecked.

Government is the corporate gun.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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So what you are saying is that government is a gun and everyone should have one.

Isn't that like saying that everyone should be sovereign unto himself?

Hmmmm, it comes full circle.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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I don't know who put a gun to your head pal, but no one put one to mine. Lighten up.



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