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Former FBI Chief, Ted Gunderson comes out and says "Chemtrail Death Dumps need to stop NOW"

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:00 PM
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Just my two cents here as I've noticed that on all these threads and posts here concerning chemtrails
nobody is talking about solutions or means of testing

why doesn't a group of ATS members [both sides] build a a few chembusters:

Goodbye Chemtrails, Hello Blue Skies! The Do-It-Yourself Kit for Sky Repair

and do a scientific test and post the results

believe in chemtrails? here is a good way to demonstrate and gain some peace of mind/ protection.

don't believe in chemtrails, but believe in orgone? build one and see for yourself

don't believe in chemtrails or in orgone? sorry can't help you there

before anybody starts with the why don't you do it:

I refuse to work for others [bosses] so they can get rich
as a result I'm self employed as a rogue installer/comp repair/jailbreaker for hire
so if I can make 20 bucks a day during this time of year I'm lucky [most people are buying new stuff not fixing old stuff. this year the holidays weren't as bad lots of new iphone 4s and 3g 3gs hand me downs]
I live alone with no dependents like a hermit no publicity except word of mouth, so...

also building and using these things could attract unwanted attention, though if I could I'd do it as it allegedly attracts a lot of Sylphs to your area,also if there are chemtrails above your home this will make very big hole in those "clouds". I'm just not ready to drop my "shield" yet
but seriously a collaborative effort would be a great idea with both sides participating and doing something instead of talking.




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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reply to post by smurfy
 


I would like to think that all of this is clearly self explanatory, with or without my input here.

The fact that it isn't to so many, is frankly scary.




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
 



I'm just not ready to drop my "shield" yet


If not now ..... when? Rule of thumb.......Always fly above the radar...........The more that are aware the better off you will be....

As for your thoughts..........



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by smurfy
 


I would like to think that all of this is clearly self explanatory, with or without my input here.

The fact that it isn't to so many, is frankly scary.



So why don't you join the great unwashed, and do a bit of digging yourself?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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reply to post by smurfy
 


Been there done that, just like with the aliens and UFOs, I haven't seen enough solid and conclusive evidence yet.

But this guy?

Come on, most of the members of this community stumble around here loaded with distrust of the government, and in particular government agencies, including the FBI... But this guy with no evidence comes forward and is believable because he was a federal agent?

Whats next, a former CIA agent comes forward to angrily claim that he knows that holograms were flown into the WTC on 9/11?

No proof, just a claim... and how many here would run with that as 100% true!

I think you all are being manipulated here for some reason by this former FBI chief... I'm sure the boys and girls at the bureaus are having some good laughs over this.

See how gullible those conspiracy theorists are?




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
reply to post by matrix12
 


I have been YouTubing chem & con-trails for a long while now. But for everyone's concerns....here is a lesson for you!


CONTRAIL vs CHEMTRAIL 101





The fella that made that maybe should read this:
asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...

Contrails are all made of the same materials and are formed in the same way, but exist for different lengths of time. Because of the differences in contrail "life-spans", contrails can be divided into three groups: short-lived, persistent (non-spreading), and persistent spreading. See the Contrail Formation Guide for more information on how contrails form.

Short-lived contrails look like short white lines following along behind the plane, disappearing almost as fast as the airplane goes across the sky, perhaps lasting only a few minutes or less. The air that the airplane is passing through is somewhat moist, and there is only a small amount of water vapor available to form a contrail. The ice particles that do form quickly return again to a vapor state.

Persistent (non-spreading) contrails look like long white lines that remain visible after the airplane has disappeared. This shows that the air where the airplane is flying is quite humid, and there is a large amount of water vapor available to form a contrail. Persistent contrails can be further divided into two classes: those that spread and those that don't. Persistent contrails look like long, narrow white pencil-lines across the sky.

Persistent spreading contrails look like long, broad, fuzzy white lines. This is the type most likely to affect climate because they cover a larger area and last longer than short-lived or persistent contrails.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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reply to post by Pauligirl
 


to debunk what you have just pointed out in the video they are in the same sky!!!! so why are they diffrent!! how can the climate be different that close together get out of here with tht poor attempt too debunk tht video

edit on 16-1-2011 by matrix12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Awesome - so happy to hear this!

S&F



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Just done a quick scan read of this man , he doesn't jump out at me as being a nutjob.

Quick overview here
edit on 16-1-2011 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by GirlGenius
Awesome - so happy to hear this!

S&F


I rest my case.

No further arguments from me, I'm convinced.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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There's already an identical thread on this topic.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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reply to post by wcitizen
 


Yea we know, there was a vote and we decided to post here



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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reply to post by Cloudsinthesky
 


told him lmao



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Just my two cents here as I've noticed that on all these threads and posts here concerning chemtrails
nobody is talking about solutions or means of testing

why doesn't a group of ATS members [both sides] build a a few chembusters:

Goodbye Chemtrails, Hello Blue Skies! The Do-It-Yourself Kit for Sky Repair

and do a scientific test and post the results

believe in chemtrails? here is a good way to demonstrate and gain some peace of mind/ protection.

don't believe in chemtrails, but believe in orgone? build one and see for yourself

don't believe in chemtrails or in orgone? sorry can't help you there

before anybody starts with the why don't you do it:

I refuse to work for others [bosses] so they can get rich
as a result I'm self employed as a rogue installer/comp repair/jailbreaker for hire
so if I can make 20 bucks a day during this time of year I'm lucky [most people are buying new stuff not fixing old stuff. this year the holidays weren't as bad lots of new iphone 4s and 3g 3gs hand me downs]
I live alone with no dependents like a hermit no publicity except word of mouth, so...

also building and using these things could attract unwanted attention, though if I could I'd do it as it allegedly attracts a lot of Sylphs to your area,also if there are chemtrails above your home this will make very big hole in those "clouds". I'm just not ready to drop my "shield" yet
but seriously a collaborative effort would be a great idea with both sides participating and doing something instead of talking.

I can see where you are going, I see where you are going, but sometimes events can obviate the need. As you can see I am in an area that according to Mr Gundersen is affected, and underneath flightpaths that are near takeoffs and landings and below cruising heights. No matter, prior to 2010 we have had three years of low cloud cover including the strange "Asperatus Cumulus". In 2010 there was the eruption of Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland, bringing to a halt air traffic. within a day the skys were crystal clear, and as I had not seen for so long, and I am sincere about that and is not in dispute. I accept the fact that Jets in their own right are problematic with their exhausts, and that they do produce long lasting trails in themselves, and that their exhausts are in effect a mini chemtrail, that they do increase cloud cover at very high altitude. That is not what we have had here for so long prior to 2010. The cloud cover was extremely low for very long periods and midday was very thin and recovered later, net result was no sun. That is what chemtrails are about, sun blocking. Of no consequence, when the Jets were grounded, there were in fact jets flying. I have no idea of their provenance but you could hear them, usually it is harder to hear them in a clear atmosphere, but nonetheless you could hear them. They had no effect on the sky and cloud cover.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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reply to post by Bonified Ween
 

What is the motive for these " dumps" ?
Someone give a reason for why they would do this.
A logical reason. Thank You



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
reply to post by matrix12
 


I have been YouTubing chem & con-trails for a long while now. But for everyone's concerns....here is a lesson for you!


CONTRAIL vs CHEMTRAIL 101





The fella that made that maybe should read this:
asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...

Contrails are all made of the same materials and are formed in the same way, but exist for different lengths of time. Because of the differences in contrail "life-spans", contrails can be divided into three groups: short-lived, persistent (non-spreading), and persistent spreading. See the Contrail Formation Guide for more information on how contrails form.

Short-lived contrails look like short white lines following along behind the plane, disappearing almost as fast as the airplane goes across the sky, perhaps lasting only a few minutes or less. The air that the airplane is passing through is somewhat moist, and there is only a small amount of water vapor available to form a contrail. The ice particles that do form quickly return again to a vapor state.

Persistent (non-spreading) contrails look like long white lines that remain visible after the airplane has disappeared. This shows that the air where the airplane is flying is quite humid, and there is a large amount of water vapor available to form a contrail. Persistent contrails can be further divided into two classes: those that spread and those that don't. Persistent contrails look like long, narrow white pencil-lines across the sky.

Persistent spreading contrails look like long, broad, fuzzy white lines. This is the type most likely to affect climate because they cover a larger area and last longer than short-lived or persistent contrails.


He knows that Pauli, and he knows it was a ridiculous video for the same reasons as you describe.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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This really isn't a win for the chemtrail argument. This guy is a long retired FBI middle manager who's been using his expired badge to stir up controversy in the conspiracy world since the 1980's. Here's some info about the guy activistnyc.wordpress.com... ... a google search will support the same.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Anyone who doesn't believe chemicals are being sprayed in the air is in denial

Some debunkers will argue that there is no such thing as chemtrails, just like the guy saying theres no FEMA camps

Some debunkers will argue there are trails of certain substances (certainly not chemicals!) that influence rainfall and or block sun radiation

Fact is, far too many people believe that there is additional chemicals being distributed in the air and there is a lot of proof for the existence of this kind of technology ands its implementation



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
reply to post by matrix12
 


I have been YouTubing chem & con-trails for a long while now. But for everyone's concerns....here is a lesson for you!


CONTRAIL vs CHEMTRAIL 101





The fella that made that maybe should read this:
asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...


Again, I don't believe what GOVERNMENT tells us...so WAKE UP! NASA has been covering this kind of stuff up for YEARS! I'd at least expect a source outside of the government, so please, if you are going to make a counterclaim with your own words, build up some facts from your personal research as opposed to making a government claim quote. Thank you


ps> I made the video in response to SaturnFX's desire to see what the difference was. I was not making any evidence claims for what does or what doesn't make a chemtrail or contrail in terns if chemical compounds.
edit on 16-1-2011 by Skywatcher2011 because: added note



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by smurfy
 


Been there done that, just like with the aliens and UFOs, I haven't seen enough solid and conclusive evidence yet.

But this guy?

Come on, most of the members of this community stumble around here loaded with distrust of the government, and in particular government agencies, including the FBI... But this guy with no evidence comes forward and is believable because he was a federal agent?

Whats next, a former CIA agent comes forward to angrily claim that he knows that holograms were flown into the WTC on 9/11?

No proof, just a claim... and how many here would run with that as 100% true!

I think you all are being manipulated here for some reason by this former FBI chief... I'm sure the boys and girls at the bureaus are having some good laughs over this.

See how gullible those conspiracy theorists are?




OMG, someone gave you a star for that, by default that includes a manipulatee (including yourself) as described in your last paragraph. So exactly what is the evidence that is not solid and conclusive, please explain.




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