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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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reply to post by freelance_zenarchist
 


i already answerd tht question gawd keep up
a news station had labwork done go find the video i posted




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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reply to post by weedwhacker
 

Its a bit hypocritical to say dont appeal to Teds authority, then want everyone to appeal to your airplane/contrail authority. Pointing to his website and say "look at it, you can tell he is mentally unstable". I did ,in fact, take a look, and what I see is a few other conspiracy theories. Its obvious you do not side with his position on these theories and therefore call him crazy. Name calling does nothing but make it look like you are trying to suppress the truth. You seem very intelligent, but somehow fail to realize what you are doing, or just dont care and are blatantly trying to disinform.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Can you please provide some links to these life-span statistics? Are they from some form of MSM, or studies by scientists with proper credentials to be spreading these statistics?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by matrix12
reply to post by freelance_zenarchist
 


i already answerd tht question gawd keep up
a news station had labwork done go find the video i posted


Hey you're not crimvelvet.

And that video is not about crimvelvet's friends stealing a sample from a military base and getting it tested.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:05 AM
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First of all, debunking something without any proof or sources of its nonexistance is the SAME thing as saying something exists without offering proof or sources. I am not one to argue without evidence from credible people that can be presented. That said, soil conservationists and biologists (biologists have science degrees, btw) have witnessed the evidence and present it in the video, "What in the world are they spraying?" If you didn't watch it because "there's no way chemtrails exist, they're just contrails," then maybe you should. Then after you do that read this quote:


“The Carnegie scientists ran five simulations using a global climate model with different sulfate aerosol concentrations depending on latitude. They then used the results from these simulations in an optimization model to determine what distribution of sulfates would come closest to achieving specified climate goals. They then tested these distributions in the global climate model to assess how well the climate goals were met,” states a recent press release about the study.


So who is to say the sky isn't their huge testing ground? It is well known that for years the government has had no regard for anyone's health concerns or personal safety while conducting 'tests'. See this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

By the way, I don't believe anyone claimed that the chemtrails were 'originally' intended to poison us all. Maybe they are, but maybe they aren't. If you can get your head around the fact that these are just crazy people inventing another way for the government to posion them, then maybe you will start finding info on geoengineering, and the charade game that these people that come up with these ideas are playing. Geoengineering is the correct term for chemtrails, and was originally developed to 'combat global warming' if there is such a thing, (or perhaps another scheme to have a reason to disperse harmful chemicals)


Caldeira also promoted the idea of dispersing sulphur dioxide into the skies in an attempt to reflect sunlight in a September 2008 London Guardian article entitled, Geoengineering: The radical ideas to combat global warming.


Above quotes from www.infowars.com...


Geoengineering is the artificial modification of Earth's climate systems through two primary ideologies, Solar Radiation Management (SRM) and Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR):

1-Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) and seqeustration. This is artificial trees, ocean fertilization etc. These projects are declassified for the most part. This method of geoengineering IS NOT the focus of this website.

2- Solar Radiation Management (SRM), controlling sunlight before it reaches the planet. THE FOLLOWING METHODS OF SRM ARE A PRIMARY FOCUS OF THIS WEBSITE.

A- Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-Engineering (SAG-SRM) is the PROPOSED artificial modification of Earth's climate systems using reflective nano-materials (aerosols) to reflect sunlight. The aerosols are dispersed via jet aircraft trails that expand into reflective artificial clouds. The reflective material of choice is aluminum.

B- Chemtrailing is the public's term for the CLASSIFIED ONGOING artificial modification of Earth's climate systems using reflective nano-materials (aerosols) to reflect sunlight. The aerosols are dispersed via jet aircraft trails that expand into reflective artificial clouds. The reflective material of choice is aluminum. Chemtrailing has other classified intentions, the foremost being rapid weather modification, the weapon of weapons. A foreign power can be brought to its knees thru drought and famine rather than soldier's boots on the ground. Other uses of chemtrailing include biological and chemical warfare. Aerosol death can be deployed over years or days, as a biological or chemical warfare delivery system. Weapons scientists have already admitted to conceptualizing geoengineering as a weapon. Several government agencies, including the Air Force, have released denials to civilian chemtrail research. Many people find it hard to believe that the government would be involved in any secret program or experiments that would harm the public. The evidence is to the contrary.

From geoengineeringwatch.org...

Also see a video link from the same page: www.youtube.com...


Geoengineering and the first geoengineers come from Lawrence Livermore Lab, home of nuclear weapons, star wars and weather weapons


Here is another good reference site. www.weatherwars.info... Full of info on fake weather. Pictures that show these 'trails' are not coming from engines. www.youtube.com...

Evidence of Climate Fraud: www.americanthinker.com...

If that isn't enough, type in 'new cloud type' in google search engine. Here, I will do it for you. www.google.com... &bih=746

So this new cloud type magically forms in the last 15 or so years on its own? And these odd grid-like patterns of the jets, along with the trails behind them that don't disperse have only just started appearing in the last 15 years also. No one used to notice anything aside from the normal contrail until the last decade and a half. How is this explained?

The scientists in the video mentioned on the infowars link I provided can't all be whackjobs too, can they? I guess everyone that doesn't conform is a whackjob. There is more evidence in favor of chemtrails existance than their nonexistance. It is pretty well covered up, since direct evidence is hard to prove given how high up the aerosols are sprayed. However, water testing is still coming out with unusually high levels, soil pH levels are coming out unusually neutral. Do you think the government cares that 'conspiracy theorists' are spouting off about chemtrails? Probably not. But the people that have to breathe the air and drink the water can't ignore it forever.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Maybe "they" weren't targeting birds or fish, maybe it was an affect they didnt see coming? i dunno..



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by allprowolfy
This is huge, for all the debunkers that say there is no knowledgeable truth to chemtrails and the government involvement, i say come and debunk this man that has his fill of the shill game that we live in.


i hope this gets starred and flag as this is utterly one of the most important topics going on


I agree... the lid cant be kept on this conspiracy for much longer. The debunkers are really squirming now.

Here are some important threads and info I think you will all find helpful and informative.

ATS: Chemtrails: US Patent #5003186: Stratospheric Welsbach Seeding For Reduction Of Global Warming

ATS: Chemtrails Are "Small Reflecting Particles" In The Upper Atmosphere

Cryptogon: Council On Foreign Relations (CFR): Council on Foreign Relations on Planetary Geoengineering: “Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere”

Global Warming and Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change.

The Chemtrail Smoking Gun

"In Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Bases conclusion, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) found that the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft. This preferred mitigation method is designed to create a global atmospheric shield which would increase the planet's albedo (reflectivity) using aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere."



My Chemtrail Research was also featured on ATS News with Johnny Anonymous...
ATS News 04: US Defense Contractor Owns Chemtrail Patent!

(click to open player in new window)

edit on (1/17/11) by AllSeeingI because: code



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:21 AM
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He also says satanic cults killed a Scientologist.

Soooo. yea.

He seems credible?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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I think it's kind of obvious that we have to do those things those. And I have to ask you to rethink if it's necessarily bad. However, mass bird die offs as they fly through sulfur packets makes sense.

When the Cretaceous was coming to an end, the atmosphere was being pumped by volcanic sulfur. This added to the destruction of the meteor that eventually came. The result was a cooled down earth. Mammals, with fur, and birds, with feathers, were suited for it and survived.

Seeing as we are indeed suited for that, and the atmosphere is cooling, I'd say it's not necessarily a bad thing.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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To be fair, the interviewee claimed that the debris was collected in an uncontrolled environment. Compelling evidence, but not conclusive.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:31 AM
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Nice work Comrade! You are to be commended for your valiant act of disinformation. Keep up the good work! There an extra ration of beets and black bread for you. Please see your nearest NKVD- Fusion Center and..dress warm, they may have not yet hit their quota... for the HOMELAND!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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I forgot to add the most important piece of evidence to my post. Even if this doesn't blatantly show toxic spraying, they are spraying something. Plenty of graphs and discriptions with it. It's the official government website for the chemtrail program!

www.asp.bnl.gov...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:35 AM
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left for a while and find thread on 8 pages still on 3

lets raise the bar ourselves:

DIY Drones

fly up one of these with a mini vacuum cleaner/sniffer
have swat team on your ass in under an hour
and be in gitmo in less than 24.

on second thought..

putting it on the roof won't work, local pollutants have to be eliminated, however if you were take samples say 5 times a day for a few years you could show a spike in certain pollutants at certain times and show a statistical relation between that and certain flybys...
you'd have to have a big sampler array too...
no that's gonna cost a lot.


on 3rd thought ..
correlations could be found, I mean ain't the government/EPA/ and others already doing all this sampling?

my point being where there's a will there's a way so to the guy who wanted to to do an experiment dont give up

the system already has the game rigged in their favor to be a bit more serious concerning the drone idea but it's not impossible.
sorry started LMFAO when I came down from the Empyrean

damn stewie, they sure raised that bar real high

yup weedwhackers kinda randy today with all due respect



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by ~Lucidity
 


He "must be crazy" because I "disagree" with him? No, there are other warning signs of his mental instability.

Like, at his OWN WEBSITE, for example:

www.tedgunderson.net...

Whats wrong with his website ???



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Stewie
 

putting it on the roof won't work, local pollutants have to be eliminated, however if you were take samples say 5 times a day for a few years you could show a spike in certain pollutants at certain times and show a statistical relation between that and certain flybys...
you'd have to have a big sampler array too...
no that's gonna cost a lot.


on 3rd thought ..
correlations could be found, I mean ain't the government/EPA/ and others already doing all this sampling?


The government is doing this sort of sampling already, indeed... and with big expensive sampler arrays. The problem is that there are so many contaminants in the environment that it's a full time effort to sort out the data and solve each mystery.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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I live in Oklahoma and it seems like almost every time there is a clear day, it doesn't stay that way for long. I have pictures but they aren't the worst that i've seen. it gets ridiculous sometimes



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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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Want to see what chemtrails look like from space? It's a Geoengineering PDF. It clearly shows the grid-like patterns of 'cloud-seeding'. They are making clouds to change the weather!

www.ucar.edu...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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I've come to notice that most "chemtrail" believers have quite a few screws loose.

What with their beliefs, also, in "Sylphs" that "eat chemtrails"....some substance/"energy" called "orgone".

( Great joke there, using a Cockney accent......"Where's the 'orgone??"
)


Oh, yes indeed, it is a beaut, to read through the many claims....and to see that "chemtrail" believers have absolutely NO science understanding in physics, nor aviation nor meteorology --- nor plain old rational thought.


If you dont believe in chem trails and this is all very stupid to you, why do you visit threads like this, or why visit any of the threads you dont believe in ? Could it be that you really think it might be true, and you are worried about it, therefore you need to stay up on the info coming in ???
I for one dont visit sites or threads that I dont believe in....



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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Umm, Ted Gunderson has been around awhile.. How credible he is or not i cant say but those of you acting like he will have chemtrail info because he was with the FBI.. I hate to break this to you all but Ted Gunderson retired from the FBI in the 1970's well before chemtrails existed..

This guy also said that Sonno Bonno was assassinated..
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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INyour FACE debunkers!!!!!



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