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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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chemtrailers in action shot inside the plane!!

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Agree that the existence and persisitence of contrails IS a concern, and is looked into as potentially climate-altering. The science is still uncertain.

There is a choice....accept that contrails form as a consequence of your reliance on fast air travel...or, ground all airplanes and go by train and boat......

Still.....clouds will form regardless, and alter the Earth's albedo in many ways, just as contrails can (in limited fashion, I think. Also, the most albedo change will be in tropical areas that receive more direct Sunlight exposure....not at very high latitudes).

Also.....take a gander at any number of spasce-based views of the planet....and note the incredible LACK of cloud coverage, percentage-wise. For the most part, it appears to be a very minimal impact....contrails.

BTW....cloud coverage in daylight increases albedo and reflectivity....at night, acts more as a thermal barrier, trapping warmth.....





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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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even the news admits
they exist!!!

the news had lab results tested!!! so confirmed.

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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%Regarding chemtrails, I am neither proponent, nor opponent.
Regarding media bias, I am opponent.

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(Snowshoe Documentary Films: for social and economic justice)

This is where your facts come from?!
As I said previously said:



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Thanks again for another reply
. I understand your concern with biased media outlets. It's hard to believe anything on the internet these days! I like to think of them as starting points for further research, which I've done using the previously mentioned google.com search engine. I'm not going to spoil it for you, but it may turn out I'm right.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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When it comes to chemtrails you sure are offense and pretty hard on others, just because they believe weedwhacker i think you need to be open minded, rather been closed minded and believing everything you government does or says.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Well i think as it stands they cover about .1% of the planet, in real terms is pretty minimal and even then they end up spreading into cirrus cloud cover that is indistinguishable from naturally occurring cloudiness, so any real scientific study into there impact is severaly limited.

This is quite a cool paper on Stratopheric Injection

www.ucar.edu...

I dont really understand though why people, if they sincerily believe we are infact being poisend from above, dont go to any real length to back up there claims with something concrete[like a source]. I guess technicaly sulphur contamination from kerosene is a form of pollution, but is it a mass poisening of the masses?, really?, spending half an hour in the sun will do you more damage.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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So, what are "They" getting out of this?

Who is spending the money to do this special "whatever"? What is this "aircrap"? What's the purpose, what's the evidence?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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this is what aj thinks about chemtrails



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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chemtrails gone wild
with a gangsta twist



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Chemtrails have supposedly been going on for decades now. Most of the areas he mentions as being "sprayed" have the highest lifespans in the world. It seems to me that if chemtrails are actually being sprayed in these areas that the average lifespan would go down, instead of going up or staying steady.

It seems to me, one of two things:

1. The Chemtrail concoction needs some work, along with method of deployment since the whole premise is depopulation, correct? The increasing or unchanging lifespan in those areas mentioned kinda goes against that.

2. It's B.S.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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FACT: TPTB knows that we are immortal beings. They put stuff in our food, water and air. They make people believe that we are not immortal beings. If we weren't, they wouldn't have to go through so much trouble doing all of this stuff to try to silently kill us off. We do ourselves even less of a favor by eating cooked food, stressing ourselves out, not meditating, and just simply by not being more health/nature conscious beings. We're not even fully developed human. We're merely a shell of who we really should be as humans. We have access to free energy. We have ways of creating our own foods, right from the ground, macrobiotics, organic. We can rid ourselves from dependence on something whose only purpose is to deceive us, kill us, steal our freedoms, joy, and power, create fear, and destroy us all. How we even consider depending on entities with such agendas is beyond me, but it comes from not knowing.......Not knowing who we really are, that is. Know THYSELF, then you will be free.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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I have been studying every type of weird phenomenon for 30 years now, and have been privileged to have met in person over 50 of the world's experts on many of these topics discussed here. As for the military, they range from officers who were in the Pentagon on 911 to a guard actually in Guantanamo Bay's inner sanctum, to people actually flying the planes we see spray the chem-trails.
Of course the government knows exactly what they're doing, we don't have to point these things out to them! Do we really think they're that stupid to spray over their own homes and families if they were trying to poison the population. The same goes true for the HAARP sites. All of us trying to figure this out are going to have to put this into a context that perhaps does not always involve greed and power. We humans created government to bring order to our society, it's the next best thing we have in place of an actual visible presence of God. Unfortunately, the government feels this next to God role (and they know that no matter how bad the population may complain, we most likely would be worse off without some sort of government) and has taken on a role to save the future of humanity.
Assuming technology (and even ET's capabilities) can prevent many calamities, where does one accept our limits with nature and decide the best strategy to minimize the impact of an event too big to prevent, but rather just hang on for the ride?
Consider this:Manipulating the ionosphere and the penetration of light (HAARP and Chemtrails) are all practice for when the sun kicks out the big one! I assume the best trigger for the kick-ass solar storm may be the rogue planet pass thru, but sun's blow up every day in the universe, and we still know basically nothing about ours.
The pilots who fly these things are told they are doing weather control research that may someday be vital to national security. Wouldn't we all feel pretty grateful if the solar blasts could be directed and shielded away from key population centers by all this controversy?
I'm no fan of government based on what we are allowed to know, but I wonder what decisions I would be making if I truly knew the magnitude of what selected people in power really know. Money and corporations really run the world (and many governments), but there are some good people in government who are powerless to fight them (I know two federal level representatives personally) and have a thankless job on many days.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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I think he is still reacting to chemtrails in the sky that way...


A few others are also still reacting that way...

The government admits to it, and they are still in denial....

To admit it then would mean they were wrong after all, and their pride can't allow that.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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if they are in fact spraying up there for the safety of mankind why not tell us about it?why not tell us what there doing and end the there killing us conspiracy?i dont buy it, i think there are many reasons they do it! and not one of those reasons are good for the planet or us!!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Heavy heavy thread here. . .I can sense it. Wow. . .when feds say something needs to be stopped, we really need to pay attention to that. Awesone post!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
I know of some people who grabbed a sample from military planes on a base near me. The sent the sample out for testing. The crap definitely exists!


So what is it?
What are they spraying and where are the test results?



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