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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
Read the quote again.
Gunderson was not talking about male prostitutes.


You're the one who isn't reading. That YouTube video above is regarding Boys Town. It's infamous for the pedophilia that is known to have occurred there. No amount of after-the-fact trying to cover it up from the highest levels makes it any less disgusting. It only makes it more disgusting that you would be here defending these people. Just like James Randi. I bet he's a hero of yours too.



Here's the documentary I was originally thinking of, but it was supposed to be aired on Discovery, not the History Channel. My bad. Anyway here it is:




Not trying to get off-topic, but you guys were the ones to bring it up, as if it discredited Gunderson. It only gives him more credibility.




posted on Jun, 11 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by firepilot
You still do not get it, there is ZERO ZERO ZERO proof for anything he has said.


And ZERO ZERO ZERO evidence for any of what you're claiming, either, which is basically that Gunderson is just wrong about everything he says. A stereotypical knee-jerk reaction.

So it comes down to this: Do I take a former FBI chief's word about covert military operations going on, or do I take your anonymous internet layman denial over top of it?

As I said, I'd take this guy's testimony over yours any day of the week. For some reason I bet he can actually spell, too.


So I actually did not post the runway length at Ft Sill?
I actually did not either post a photo of an Nebraska ANG KC-135, and how they are marked, and are not secret?
I actually did not apparently post a link to that unit, and their EIGHT aircraft?
That I did not link to how that unit is based PUBLIC AIRPORT, next to a large city?

You know full well that there is zero evidence for anything he says. You will believe him anyways, just like a good little chemmie who believes what they are told without questioning, and without requiring evidence.

Oh, those Nebraska Air Guard planes are so secret, they even sometimes take visitors and guests along, and let them film it too.











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posted on Jun, 15 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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@ bsbray11

I don't get it. I am baffled.
You have been explained why Gundersen's explanations/accusations about these 2 bases and the aircraft on these bases ----> make no sense, are illogical, and are impossible.
His claims do not pan out.

Yet you still disregard the obvious.

Why ?
It seems like you disregard all reason, in favor of one man's opinion.
Given the information presented, aren't you even the slightest bit curious to the answers to these conundrums ?

Don't you want answers to these issues even for your personal curiosity ? I know I would.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by EyeDontKnow
@ bsbray11

I don't get it. I am baffled.
You have been explained why Gundersen's explanations/accusations about these 2 bases and the aircraft on these bases ----> make no sense, are illogical, and are impossible.
His claims do not pan out.


I am baffled at where you think anyone has shown what he says to be "illogical."

At best you can argue that he did not prove what he said, which is true enough. But to tell me he is outright wrong and "illogical" requires exactly as much of a leap of faith as it would to believe what Gunderson says.

So in the end it comes down to whether or not I take the word of a horde of internet trolls, or a former FBI chief who dealt with professional criminal investigations as a career.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11


I am baffled at where you think anyone has shown what he says to be "illogical."

At best you can argue that he did not prove what he said, which is true enough. But to tell me he is outright wrong and "illogical" requires exactly as much of a leap of faith as it would to believe what Gunderson says.

So in the end it comes down to whether or not I take the word of a horde of internet trolls, or a former FBI chief who dealt with professional criminal investigations as a career.


Perhaps to avoid pedantry, we could just use the word "stupid" instead of "illogical"?

Running a huge secret spraying operation with giant unmarked bomber-type aircraft from a public airport seems stupid. It would be impossible to keep secret, it would be trivial to take detailed close-up photos of the planes as they take off and land.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Uncinus
Perhaps to avoid pedantry, we could just use the word "stupid" instead of "illogical"?


Stupidity to me is a lack of logic. So if you can't use the terms interchangeably in your argument then you obviously have no leg to stand on anyway.



Running a huge secret spraying operation with giant unmarked bomber-type aircraft from a public airport seems stupid. It would be impossible to keep secret, it would be trivial to take detailed close-up photos of the planes as they take off and land.


Well I respect your opinion (or not), but I respect former FBI chief Ted Gunderson's opinion more, in all honesty. I'm not saying he has proof. I guess you'll just have to cry about this one?



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Uncinus
Perhaps to avoid pedantry, we could just use the word "stupid" instead of "illogical"?


Stupidity to me is a lack of logic. So if you can't use the terms interchangeably in your argument then you obviously have no leg to stand on anyway.


Hey, the point there was to avoid pedantry.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Well I respect your opinion (or not), but I respect former FBI chief Ted Gunderson's opinion more, in all honesty. I'm not saying he has proof. I guess you'll just have to cry about this one?


I think you know what he said makes no sense. This is obvious to nearly everyone else here.You are just being stubborn.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by Uncinus
Hey, the point there was to avoid pedantry.


And my point is to avoid stupidity and being illogical, which are the exact same thing to me. You are trying to separate them as if they mean different things. Who is being pedantic now?



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by EyeDontKnow

Originally posted by bsbray11
Well I respect your opinion (or not), but I respect former FBI chief Ted Gunderson's opinion more, in all honesty. I'm not saying he has proof. I guess you'll just have to cry about this one?


I think you know what he said makes no sense. This is obvious to nearly everyone else here.You are just being stubborn.


If it actually made no sense you would have an actual argument instead of just calling me stubborn. So far every argument here as to why he "doesn't make sense" has been nothing but stupidity that itself doesn't make sense.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Uncinus
Hey, the point there was to avoid pedantry.


And my point is to avoid stupidity and being illogical, which are the exact same thing to me. You are trying to separate them as if they mean different things. Who is being pedantic now?


No, I'm just saying let's call what Ted is saying "stupid", because that's what it is. Running a huge secret operation from a tiny public airport is stupid.



posted on Jun, 16 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Washington DC runs a HUGE stupid operation out of a relatively tiny place...
Chemtrails are real, the gig is up. Just like 911, it was just a matter of time. More people will come forward, and you will apparently try to discredit them all.
Or go the way of Weedwhacker....
What happened to Weedwhacker? He must have got promoted....



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by Uncinus
 

Washington DC runs a HUGE stupid operation out of a relatively tiny place...
Chemtrails are real, the gig is up. Just like 911, it was just a matter of time. More people will come forward, and you will apparently try to discredit them all.
Or go the way of Weedwhacker....
What happened to Weedwhacker? He must have got promoted....



The subject is not about Washington DC the city, not about the IQ of the gov't, not about 911, and not about Weedwhacker.

Tell us about Gunderson, Stewie.

Did you see the aerial photo of the NE airport where the KC-135R's are stored, outside ?
Did you see photos of those >> marked



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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First noticed these chemtrails about 2000 in Missoula. I was born there in 1948, was out in the sun 12 hrs + every summer day until age 19, graduated BA Botany Univ of Montana 74, MS Soil science 79, 3.84 gpa, most advanced track possible 8 years chemistry, biology, math (statistics). Two years outdoors as a soil scientist (I quit because you had to drink, lie and pork your coworkers to get by in a gov job). In 2000 the 1st time I saw them there was NO doubt in my mind that this was a program designed to kill us. I observed them increase in frequency and size until I left the states in 2005. I never heard of chemtrails or that anyone else had seen this kind of thing until that year 2005. If you think that they're contrails or harmless, suit yourself, because it won't do any good to fight anybody over it. The spraying isn't meant to kill anyone, but seriously impair them over time. The effort will be scaled up within the next couple of years to bring about severe illness. Then we'll all be killed. In North America and Europe, this will be scorched earth, neither people nor animals will survive except for a selected few, and any humans would be better off dead. Don't believe it? Fine.

I'm not taking on any arguments, just stating an educated opinion, not just due to a good academic background, but because I've seen the mentality that exists in government and military circles all my life, seen the same sort of things done to cover up rape, assault and incompetence in the public school system. It's nothing to be surprised about. I'm a born again type Christian based on a valid experience, not membership, and also believe that these events will bring about Armageddon within the next several years. Instead of making an argument, I just recommend doing a very close study of the Denver Airport murals, including the ones that have been since painted over. See if these affect your own judgment any, for better or worse.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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I found this vid that could be interesting? Tell me what you think about it? is it real and what does it confirm?



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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It's real and confirms WMI does cloud seeding.

Which is not a secret, has been openly practiced for 50 years, has been widely discussed here, and does not leave trails in the sky.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by stavis
I found this vid that could be interesting? Tell me what you think about it? is it real and what does it confirm?


Does it confirm they do fly into storms for cloud seed, in places that they have contracts? Yes

"Domestic Terrorism" is cloud seeding? "Chemtrail pilot", that quite pathetic. Why didnt he film any chemplanes taking off them, or film aircraft out there on the parking area? Oh yeah, he would have gotten pics of twin engine Cessnas and Pipers, maybe even a Beech King Air. And its chemtrailers who have actually proposed domestic terrorism by advocating shooting down airplanes anyways.

Obviously, it is not some secret operation if they let this clown in and tried to actually take time to explain it to him.
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posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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I have a question for you. Do you still feel the same way?




Speaking of dim, you still don't understand that I'm not claiming chemtrails are anything, or even claiming that they exist.


So why argue about chemtrails if you don't claim they exist?




You can't say something doesn't exist, simply because it hasn't been proven yet. That is making a claim based on nothing. That is argument from ignorance.


Actually something doesn't exist until it is proven to exist. It is very easy actually, think of the world being flat which that is what everyone thought until it was proven to be round. So until it was proven to be round it didn't exist in their minds or their maps back then.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Or go the way of Weedwhacker....


And what have you learning something while trying to get you to show the evidence and yet never comes. Nothing wrong with that, hell have you thought about trying it? You might enjoy it.



posted on Jun, 19 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Running a huge secret operation from a tiny public airport is stupid.


Not to mention that, but I am very sure that someone would be asking many many questions about all of these unmarked planes flying in and out with no ID or passengers.Never being loaded or unloaded wouldn't that catch someones eye. Especially the old lady that everyone knows that complains about everything hasn't questioned all the chemtrail spraying planes coming and going. How is it the chemtrailers just let logic fly right past them,yet call others dumb or illogical interesting bunch they are thats for sure .




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