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Originally posted by firepilot
Nope, facts are the ultimate debunker, not people. If facts debunk something, thats a good thing. Just because it does not leave open hopes, dreams and wishes for some of their pet conspiracies to be true, thats not my fault
You brought up the fact that Barium can not exist in a pure state. Thats entirely scientifically correct too, most chemtrailers havent the slightest clue what it is, its a buzzword to them that they read from chemtrail sites. They do not even realize its found in nature in the form of Barite
Its going to make them mad when they find out barite isnt even considered toxic, and its not a metal either.
That should apply to all parties, and quite frankly it's not. And perhaps you should ask if someone has a belief system in the first place, or are they just trying to wean out something that makes sense. I do recall you making a post about finding Barium in water, I find that strange. Barium is the metal and it reacts in water and air to make another form. So you are obfuscating, just as Pilot likes to do if he thinks someone is gull enough to lap up his every word, just leave a little bit out, here and there.
Originally posted by Illuminizard
That should apply to all parties, and quite frankly it's not. And perhaps you should ask if someone has a belief system in the first place, or are they just trying to wean out something that makes sense. I do recall you making a post about finding Barium in water, I find that strange. Barium is the metal and it reacts in water and air to make another form. So you are obfuscating, just as Pilot likes to do if he thinks someone is gull enough to lap up his every word, just leave a little bit out, here and there.
The belief system statement was in general, not pointed at you specifically, so I apologize if you were offended. I didn't make a post about finding Barium in water. I made several posts trying to explain why the science behind someone finding not just Barium, but ANYTHING in water using the methods described in the video would be beyond inconclusive. I've also made posts about finding and studying strange chemicals during air sample analyses, and that I would not be surprised to identify Barium in an air sample. I wasn't just saying that to try to debunk the video and say 'no big deal', air samples contain all sorts of things that don't make sense, and that was the point I was trying to make about the topic of discussion at the time regarding methods for homebrew analysis.
I'm not obfuscating or even taking a side. If anything I'm trying to bring my own knowledge of the subject to people who don't have the same experience, or don't make the effort to analyze the evidence they're presenting.
You won't find find Barium in an air or water sample. It reacts in water and air, and acid, and extreme heat,
simple.wikipedia.org...
once it has reacted it becomes another compound. There are other Wiki links for Barium and compounds, but the one above is easier to navigate. It's not even a question of taking sides, it's doing away with the idea first off, that a jet exhaust is not a nasty piece of work, it is, and more and more people are starting to reavaluate what chemistry goes on in a jet engine and what novel properties come out in the exhaust after combustion. That's not so easy, since certain properties in fuel additives, (and there are more than a few) are not known. I am adding these other links to add to the awareness of jet exhaust. In this next link, pay close attention to the disclaimer in the fuel content section,
ftp.rta.nato.int...
This link deals with the same type of particle formation, and how it degrades in the body,
www.trbav030.org...
You will see that there is far more going on in combustion and recombining exhaust with the air than just "mostly water" It is also fairly new stuff, but it falls short in that, what is in additives is not wholly known, and thereby not all chemical reactions in a combustion chamber, and recombining in the air are also not known.
edit on 25-1-2011 by smurfy because: Add links.
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.
Originally posted by smurfy
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.
Have to agree with that,
So apt to the post above yours. Ah well, I really do try. Even these skypilots can be sick or incapable if something goes wrong with the AC units/servers and bring fumes into the cabin and they won't even know they are sick, or incapable, at least in their current speak.
Originally posted by smurfy
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.
Have to agree with that,
So apt to the post above yours. Ah well, I really do try. Even these skypilots can be sick or incapable if something goes wrong with the AC units/servers and bring fumes into the cabin and they won't even know they are sick, or incapable, at least in their current speak.
Even these skypilots can be sick or incapable if something goes wrong with the AC units/servers and bring fumes into the cabin and they won't even know they are sick, or incapable, at least in their current speak.
Originally posted by firepilot
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.
Well many people do find reality to be ridiculous, so they substitute one of their imagination
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by smurfy
Even these skypilots can be sick or incapable if something goes wrong with the AC units/servers and bring fumes into the cabin and they won't even know they are sick, or incapable, at least in their current speak.
Could you translate that?? I'm very curious what you meant.
First, when you wrote "AC units/servers"....are you trying to describe something called "air conditioning"? Because, on large jet airplanes (most jets, really) "AC" refers to electricity.
Second....if that was your intent, you have a lot to learn about airplane systems design....there are no "fumes" that will enter a jet's ventilation system in that way....except for very obvious cases where strong, strong odors and even visual indications are present. Smoke, for instance, from either an engine internal problem, or the pressurization packs...at worst, from overheating the ducting, and you get a hot rubber smell. Even bird injestion.....if a bird or other l large organic creature is 'swallowed' by the engine, and pieces get hot enough, through the compression and combustion cycle, then you can smell it, briefly. Burning featehrs ain't pleasant....lot like burning human hair.
You may be thinking of piston airplanes...and carbon monoxide poisoning? Very rare....it can occur due to leaks into the unpressurized cabins of those types airplanes, since the hot exhaust air is used in a plenum to heat the outside air, before it's introduced inside. A leak in that ducting might allow some exhaust (and CO) to mingle with the "fresh" outside air, and enter the cabin, but usually there is that smell, again. And, CO is only deadly when in great quantities, as it displaces the O2 in the bloodstream.
BTW fresh air is not available under pressurization.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Oh wow. So how far are they going to go to vilify this gentleman? Let me guess...he's had a psychotic break...he's old and feeble...he has a grudge. Anyway...here's the video...
added video....edit on 1/16/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)