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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by smurfy
This is a link to a new thread starting,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It deals with a new MIT study, would you believe that they find the exhaust to be a virtual chemtrail in it's own right, and that it is killing people. Have they been watching ATS??
edit on 20-1-2011 by smurfy because: Text.


So when you drive, are you guilty of making virtual cartrails? How do you feel about being part of the vast cartrail conspiracy?


... If a cartrail thread pops up, you're off the disinfo agent Christmas party invite list.




posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Illuminizard

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by smurfy
This is a link to a new thread starting,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It deals with a new MIT study, would you believe that they find the exhaust to be a virtual chemtrail in it's own right, and that it is killing people. Have they been watching ATS??
edit on 20-1-2011 by smurfy because: Text.


So when you drive, are you guilty of making virtual cartrails? How do you feel about being part of the vast cartrail conspiracy?


... If a cartrail thread pops up, you're off the disinfo agent Christmas party invite list.




Well anyone who denies cartrails would just be paid government disinfo agent anyways, and who would want to go to their party..
edit on 20-1-2011 by firepilot because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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reply to post by firepilot
 
Using the same logic, there are refrigerator-trails, TV-trails and light-bulb-trails.

The MIT study is an over-extended evaluation of the contribution of air pollution to deaths, generally.

Watching TV, or refrigeration, or air conditioning, or incandescent lighting kill tens of thousands over time because of the coal-fired and natural gas-fired power generation.

The same article notes:


Airplane pollution deaths still represent a small share of the toll from all kinds of air pollution.

Emissions from ships, for instance, kill an estimated 60,000 people a year, according to a 2007 study also published in Environmental Science & Technology.

And the annual total death toll from air pollution is about a million, according to the United Nations Environment Programme.


By comparison, the deaths from auto pollution are astronomical. Car-trails, indeed.

Much ado about nothing!

deny ignorance

jw



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by smurfy
This is a link to a new thread starting,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It deals with a new MIT study, would you believe that they find the exhaust to be a virtual chemtrail in it's own right, and that it is killing people. Have they been watching ATS??
edit on 20-1-2011 by smurfy because: Text.


So when you drive, are you guilty of making virtual cartrails? How do you feel about being part of the vast cartrail conspiracy?

Nope, the "cartrail" is real not virtual. 300 horses, unleaded petrol, 31mpg, 140 max speed, 0-62mph 8 seconds, no particulates, higher carbon monoxide, catalyst, (not too happy about that, but is a regulation) safest car in the world. So, where do you want to go with this? it has nothing to do with this thread,



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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reply to post by Argyll
 


It's not the chemtrails that are affecting them, I believe its from the HAARP station on the Arkansas and Missouri border. HAARP disrupts harmonic frequencies and also the recent poleshift has also disrupted the electromagnetic field around the Earth which birds and fish navigate by.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Did you get these archive pictures from the government that is bankrolling you?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by firepilot

Originally posted by smurfy
This is a link to a new thread starting,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It deals with a new MIT study, would you believe that they find the exhaust to be a virtual chemtrail in it's own right, and that it is killing people. Have they been watching ATS??
edit on 20-1-2011 by smurfy because: Text.


So when you drive, are you guilty of making virtual cartrails? How do you feel about being part of the vast cartrail conspiracy?

Nope, the "cartrail" is real not virtual. 300 horses, unleaded petrol, 31mpg, 140 max speed, 0-62mph 8 seconds, no particulates, higher carbon monoxide, catalyst, (not too happy about that, but is a regulation) safest car in the world. So, where do you want to go with this? it has nothing to do with this thread,


Exactly, there is no point to it, when chemtrail believers start trying to bring up airplane exhaust, as part of "Chemtrails" and actually blaming haze or air pollution near the ground, as being from enroute aircraft way above, when they do not seem concerned about air pollution from source like industry, cars and power plants. the only kind they care about is from airplanes.

Its just that they can see a high flying aircraft way above, but not the thousands of cars driving a block away, so the airplane many miles away concerns them more.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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You on the payroll too?



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Komodo3
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You on the payroll too?


Hey, if he is, he needs to make sure the bonuses came through this month. Apparently there was a "glitch" in the system this month and some people did not get their $20 per post we were promised this month.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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I believe the reasoning behind these "credible" whistleblowers is to incite Revolution among the people or keep us docile with the "Chemtrails" Through the atrocities committed by government and Saber rattlers like infowars enrage the people as was done through history, that lead to the French revolution, American revolution, Third Reich to advance their goals. How do we respond to their atrocities? Revolt? Do nothing? I don't know what to do. Either way, we are doing what they want. And they are ready for both.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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Certainly when we have 1000's of birds and fish dying in mass, there is reason for alarm!



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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This is all well and good saying these Chemtrails must be stopped. However the question that must be asked is why they are spraying in the first place...

My belief on the reasons is to reflect harmful UV rays or emissions from the sun and not to cloud seed as it were. the thing that worries me deeply is this chem spraying is so widespread. this has gone so far beyond testing in remote areas and this geo engineering is conducted globally by many governments. there is proof that the chemtrails contain many harmful metals and chemicals which any person will tell you can only make you sick when it enters the food supply.

So why is this happening on such a global scale with no testing or a disregard for testing?

it cant be to make the population sick or dependent on welfare or national health. Its counter productive creating a plague or illness in your own country.

So what is happening to the earth that so many governments feel the need to spray these chemtrails and yet cover them up and deny them?

I am a new member but long time visitor to the site. this is a matter that concerns me deeply I will create an OP when i am allowed. Any sensible answers/ facts/ info will help me create a good strong post.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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First, you should be concerned, only a fool or a "tool" wouldn't be. In my opinion, these are the basics.
1. Chemtrail operation is black ops, only a very few know all of the details of what is being sprayed.
2. The pilots involved are forced into secrecy about all aspects, and may actually believe the purpose is for the good of mankind.
3. The chemical "soup" is in fact NOT good for mankind, although it is still unclear how detrimental to human health, and nature as a whole, it actually is.
4. There is near unlimited funding for this operation since money can be created out of thin air by the federal reserve, and there is no real accounting of how huge sums of federal dollars are spent.
5. On ATS, there are a half dozen or so that are dedicated to attacking all aspects of chemtrail observations, discussion, and analysis.

aircrap.org...



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Oh, so now its Aircrap . So earlier you link to a video that is supposedly about chemtrails, but in the german language, they never actually talk about trails. When they mention Duppel, the video translator substitutes "mysterious trails", and hence lies to people. And then you help spread that. Duppel is chaff..not mysterious trails as in the video that you link to says

As for Aircrap, that is also a site that lies to people. And yes I can prove it.
Look at this link

aircrap.org...

They claim it is an Evergreen Airlines Boeing 747 doing chemtrails. That is an utter lie, it is a Boeing 777 doing certfication testing, and that photo is from a book. Does that cabin interior even look as big as a 747, and an cargo airliner would not even have any seats in it either back there. Aircrap is just spreading lies, probably in order to promote their movies and videos.

And yes, they claim the public Pinal Airport near Marana has the same security as Area 51. Nope, it is a public airport and anyone can land a plane there.

But i am sure none of that means the slightest thing to chemtrailers and especially you Stewie, you will keep linking to disingenious videos and websites that mislead.
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posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Oh!!!! I just saw this, from last night....really brightened my day!!! What a great laugh, thanks, I needed it!!!


I believe its from the HAARP station on the Arkansas and Missouri border.



The *chuckle* "HAARP station" on the "chortle* Arkansas and Missouri border????

Hoo Hah!!! Comedy gold, thanks!!!!


(Spewed my beverage, it was THAT funny!!)
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posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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I did not realize people in Europe and the UK were misteriously dying from chemtrail exposure. What exactly are chemtrails sprayed over Euroep NA etc. supposed to do?
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posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 08:58 PM
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according to Kramer on Seinfeld....
"Kramer: That Gendason, what a jerk. I'm never playing golf with him again.

Elaine: Who Gendason?

Kramer: Steve Gendason.

.Elaine: Why is that name familiar?
Hx: He used to be a baseball player.

Elaine: Oh, how did you end up playing golf with him?

Kramer: Well, I met him on the course a couple of years ago. Yeah. Played with him a lot. But today was it! We're on the fifteenth hole, ya, he's beating me by a couple of strokes. Then, he's about to hit his second shot, when, he picks up the ball and CLEANS it.

Elaine: So what?

Kramer: Umph, sorry! But the rules clearly state that you cannot clean the ball unless it's on the green. The rules are very clear about that.

Jerry: Certainly are.

Kramer: Ya, so I penalized him a stroke.

Jx; Ah, so what happened?

Kramer: He LOST IT! We almost came to blows. We were face to face like a manager and an umpire like this . . kara a pukka ba ya ka ba . . .

Jerry: All right. You're in MY face.

Elaine: I still don't see what the big deal is.

Kramer: A rule is a rule. And let's face it. Without rules there's chaos. "



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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You are speaking crazy actually. My dog ate plenty of chocolate lol, kind of off topic, but I think that is a wives tale, or maybe only applies to certain breeds.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Komodo3
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You on the payroll too?


Thanks for proving my point


From my post:




Please, if you feel that anybody who disagrees with you is a paid disinfo agent, go ahead, outline the portions you feel are wrong, supply valid information, refute the claims, and further your agenda. Until then, all your doing is helping make the "chemtrail" camp look more foolish.

You wont do this though, because you can't. You will come back, make childish insults, add nothing to the discussion, then turn around and pat yourself on the back.

Please, prove me wrong.


Keep up the good work



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Even the chemtrailers may enjoy watching that video, of KC-135 operations in Alaska. How is it relevant? Well besides being pretty cool footage, that plane needs more than 5000 ft to get off the ground, which was the runway length in Ft Sill (army artillery base) that Gunderson claims is a chemtrail base.

Face it, he just made that up...


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