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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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i called the airforce base close to me and asked them why are they chemtrailing are skies, they told me that they were just excersies and that they were contrails lmao




posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Instead of pointing out a certain member (which you did twice in one post) and complaining, why not try dissecting all the points that user made, and refute them with evidence of your agenda in a thought out, scientific manner?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by LogicalThinker88
Is anyone going to read my post on page 21?? There is 100% Proof in various official document form, that chemtrails are REAL and have been used before for testing.


Reading them now...

The declassified document (ED-TR-77025) is a test report for the XM-19 biological agent detector. It does not discuss human testing or airborne aerosol dispersion from an aircraft. My understanding, after reading the document, is that they used a large ground based atomizer to create clouds of biological toxins that were grown in a lab for evaluation of new biological agent detection capabilities. Don't let the word "airborne" confuse you in this document, it's referring to the agent being airborne, not the dispensing device. Since aerosol testing on unaware subjects has supposedly been declassified by the US government, there should be plenty of legitimate documents to support the claim. This is not one of them.

Aaaand, next link we gooo...
edit on 19-1-2011 by Illuminizard because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Sorry....I read it...did you?:


Is anyone going to read my post on page 21?? There is 100% Proof in various official document form, that chemtrails are REAL and have been used before for testing.


The one from 1964, from the British MoD, been discussed to death. 1964!!! Designed out of fears of a biological attack from the Eastern Bloc. (USSR).

Conducted using a substance, thought to be SAFE and benign, at the time, that could be tracked with instruments. Delivered by LOW flying airplanes...but, most was down from ground level....lorries driving down the highways and lanes, and from ships sailing just off shore.

The other on, joint with the US>UK?? In the 1970s? Same reason, different methods. Did you read the bit about the delivery vehicle...a "Land Rover"? That is an automobile brand...of SUVs, in case you were unaware.

Also, I saw some mention, again, of ships at sea, off the coasts. Airplanes were used in the evaluation of effectivity...and, they said, were having difficulty detecting any quantities high enough to trigger the threshold in the sensing equipment.

Any pages I missed, that you wish to point to specifically...that indicate they used PASSENGER jets, with the pilots unaware? AT cruising altitudes of 30,000 feet, and up? ANy pages that point to the hazardness (other than the MoD in 1964...dubious connection, at best. Only came to light because of cancer, today...seems that many other things in our environment can also cause cancer?).



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by LogicalThinker88
 


Sorry....I read it...did you?:



Hey, you're supposed to put SPOILER ALERT at the top! I wasn't even done with the 2nd one yet

edit on 19-1-2011 by Illuminizard because: Removing ye olde wall of text.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Im in my late 30s, and in this past year for the first time i was diagnosed with asthma and given an inhaler, this winter my 5 year old also was diagnosed the same. It seems everyone i meet lately are being given inhalers.
I cant help wonder if there's a connection.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by merodock
Im in my late 30s, and in this past year for the first time i was diagnosed with asthma and given an inhaler, this winter my 5 year old also was diagnosed the same. It seems everyone i meet lately are being given inhalers.
I cant help wonder if there's a connection.


adult onset asthma is a known occurance. Why does everything seem to want to connect everything to airplanes flying up high?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by merodock
Im in my late 30s, and in this past year for the first time i was diagnosed with asthma and given an inhaler, this winter my 5 year old also was diagnosed the same. It seems everyone i meet lately are being given inhalers.
I cant help wonder if there's a connection.


I had asthma as a child. I used an inhaler. But I grew out of it and now I no longer have any symptoms whatsoever. In fact, I no longer know anyone who has it. I can't help wonder if there is a connection.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Komodo3
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I seriously question your mental stability with you always debunking everything. Lengthy rantings of disinformation and taking up valuable thread space. Are you getting paid for this?

There is a lot of information about these Chemtrails. The sky was not threaded like it has been the last few years. These are not Contrails as you put it. I have lived near airports and airforce bases before in the 1990's and can not recall the sky being so threaded with Chemtrails. I remember clear sky's around Tucson AZ where Davis Monthan Airbase, national guard air base and the airport in city. Now it is full of Chemtrail ribbons as is northern Nevada which wasn't back in 2003 like it is now.

Give us all a break weedwacker.


Yes, the skies were the same in 2003 as they are now...I lived in Tucson back then too..And what planes at DMAFB do you think are your chemtrail planes? C-130s, A-10s? Or the F-16s at the airport from the AZ ANG?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
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I believe there is a way, but the mods would have to enforce it. For example, the thread could have the instructions that "this thread is not to debate the existence of chemtrails, but what is likely being sprayed and why."
Or, conversely, "this thread is about the problem of naturally occurring and persistent contrails, not to be hijacked by chemtrail believers."
Seems that would solve a lot.



Typical of you, trying to get other views excluded from the thread, but anyone has just as much right to post as you. Are you tired of people pointing out your wrong statements, like that supposed 600 new USAF tankers?



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Yep, Ted Gunderson, is calling out all you on ATS that keep trying to spread the fairy tale that Chemtrails aren't real. LOL

Chemtrails are real of course. You'd have to literally be blind not to see them. Not only do we have the patents for mixing this crap in the jet fuel but they were even mentioned by name in the Congressional record: CHEMTRAILS

For any of you doubting it go to www.carnicom.com... sometime and see all the evidence. He has the patents, the lab results, the photos, the videos and everything else you can imagine. The debunkers of course have nothing but hot air about how they are normal contrails. LOL But most of the debunkers are paid and you can easily tell this by looking at all their posts! Some of them are not paid but have just not done any research sort of the like the 20% that still think Oswald killed JFK.



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by GlennCanady
Yep, Ted Gunderson, is calling out all you on ATS that keep trying to spread the fairy tale that Chemtrails aren't real. LOL

Chemtrails are real of course. You'd have to literally be blind not to see them. Not only do we have the patents for mixing this crap in the jet fuel but they were even mentioned by name in the Congressional record: CHEMTRAILS

For any of you doubting it go to www.carnicom.com... sometime and see all the evidence. He has the patents, the lab results, the photos, the videos and everything else you can imagine. The debunkers of course have nothing but hot air about how they are normal contrails. LOL But most of the debunkers are paid and you can easily tell this by looking at all their posts! Some of them are not paid but have just not done any research sort of the like the 20% that still think Oswald killed JFK.


Oh Boy, yet another person insisting that those who do not believe in chemtrails, are paid government agents. Wait, wasnt Gunderson a government agent? Funny, you will take as gospel truth the words of an actual retired government agent when it fits your views, no matter how impossible they are.

Teddy says..
30000 guillotines stored on military bases....BS
Ft Sill has chemtrail planes based there. NO! Doesnt even have the runway for it.
Nebraska Air Guard has secret unmarked bomber type planes. NO, they use a public airport, for their aircraft which are not bombers



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 11:57 PM
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Just watching the News in Ireland this evening and for the weather forecast reporting on this particular channel anyway, they show the pictures that viewers have taken of the weather etc and i saw this following image and thought of this thread immediately, hope to add into a few others also.

In this image can be seen many chemt@&s but in the top left part can be seen a really small chemt?@& in comparison to the rest, I don't know the photographer but i will also give the link to the Website Here, this was shown on TV on 19 Jan 2011






posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 12:52 AM
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Let me preface anything that I "say" here with a caveat. I don't know why it (chemtrails) are needed but have decided based upon tidbits here and there, that, yes, it is absolutely a "sane" reaction to "global warming". Out of context, air dumping of chemicals / metals just seems preposterous. Yet, considering everything that we know, it really is the same course that I would take if given the responsibility of populace. Let me explain a bit... What do we "know"? Better yet, I will rely on some of that good ole' deductive reasoning that I learned in an american high school (of all places). Follow along:

The celestial bodies are out of alignment (zodiac is changing).
The weather is playing holy hell on most of the earth (floods, extreme temperatures, fires, landslides, etc)
Earthquakes outside of fault lines (think Oklahoma, Nebraska, Indiana)
Volcanic eruptions
New and or resurrected diseases (H1N1, plagues etc)
Bees and Birds falling from the sky dead
Recently elected, Obama puts out a release the "HE" may have to authorize spraying the sky to combat global warming when anyone that was watching damn well knew it had been happening for at least 8 years prior
NASA quits flying US craft to space but beforehand puts many satellites up to stare endlessly at the sun for any little change in its atmosphere

The fanciful will like to think that they are so important that the government is poisoning them from the skies. To my thinking, that is an ego trip. If the people in high places really require our demise, trust me, there is no requirement to spray trails in the air to poison you (us). It is far more likely that this is a response to a threat (real or imagined) from the sun and our magnetosphere being weakened.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg as it were. The scientists will look at the sun and the Christians will look towards the Son. In the end we all look towards the same end.

I would say that Mr. Gunderson is correct to speak to this. In America, we seem to think (rightfully so imo) that we should be given the truth no matter how grave. But how would you / I /anyone react if we really knew the "truth" and it turned out that it was a death sentence? It is not lost on me that our last few presidents come out of their first few debriefings looking "punch drunk" and a little bit different if not insane. My best guess is that it goes a bit like this:

Congrats Mr Pres. How are you?

Pres: Fine. Let's get started on what I promised.

Keeper: Umm...

Pres: What?

Keeper: Well, sir (ma'am) please have a little looksie at this...

Pres: What? #! But I said...

Keeper: Yea, um, no.

Pres: But...

Keeper: Leave that to us.

Pres: What about the aliens? Will they help?

Keeper: Um, well, maybe but we aren't sure and the Christians would possibly classify them as demons... and

Pres: And what?

Keeper: Well, we have "made our bed". Would you like to lay down sir? You look ill..........



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 01:28 AM
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This is huge, for all the debunkers that say there is no knowledgable truth to chemtrails and the government involvement, i say come and debunk this man that has his fill of the shill game that we live in.


You make this too easy. Ft. Sill is an ARMY fort for artillery units. Large aircraft do not fly in and out of Fort Sill.

deny ignorance

jw



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:10 AM
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Once again, an indication that "chemtrailers" simply fail to understand the distinction between cloud-"seeding" and large jet airplanes, at cruise altitudes, and their contrails!


I ask you again, to please show me where I have mentioned 'large jet aircraft at cruising altitude' are responsible for Chemtrails? The only people who constantly bring up 'jet airliners' are yourself and Firepilot because its the only place left you have to hide. Well at least you are not quite as helpless as Firepilot who is clinging to a rediculous argument that if a 747 can dump water in 10 seconds how can a Cessna possibly carry enough Chemicals to create the Chemtrails? This just shows a complete lack of understanding of any basic Chemistry or logic for that matter. How can someone argue correctly that Contrails appear naturally without any chemicals but at the same time argue that it would take a 747 to carry the weight of chemicals required to create Chemtrails. Its utter nonense.

As for you, you don't seem to know what your argument is anymore. My argument is that Chemtrails exists and they appear during weather modification operations. This is a fact, and you obviously agree because for some reason you thought I needed a lesson in Cloud Seeding and you provided an example which stated the plane filled up with chemicals. This is what you posted -



After filling up the plane with cloud-seeding chemicals, a small plane from Thailand's rain-making force takes of to gain an altitude of 5,000 feet (1,525 meters) chasing some small clouds.


Are you getting confused as to which side of the argument you are on? Don't bother giving me a lesson on Cloud seeding using 1970's theory. Weather modification is big business these days and it has come a long way. There are different methods and chemicals for various conditions and various altitudes used. The King of thailand now uses his patented "Supersandwhich" method in many countries to create rain clouds in clear blue sky. This involves various chemicals including carbon dioxide, silver iodide and salt being dropped simultaneously at three different altitudes. Do you honestly believe this would not create a very visable sky-full of Chemtrails? Of course it does.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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Believe me, I too am capable of deductive reasoning. However, I disagree with so many of the premises on which you base your reasoning that it would take a substantial amount of time write it all down, so I'm not going to do that. Suffice it to say that I hold a different view on most of the main premises on which you base your argument. I respect your right to believe them, and mine to differ!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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It's because they are paid by the very organization we "Truth Seekers" are trying to uncover. They grow like weeds (intended) and throw pages of their "Debunking" drivel at us. After all, they are getting paid to be as annoying and idiotic as they possibly can. After all, its their job and a job is a job. They will all have to answer for their deeds, even if it is "just a job" to them.



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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weedwhacker knows his stuff about his field of expertise, and I have a lot of respect for his knowledge. I'm just not sure he knows everything...who does? Certainly not me. What I do know from having worked with many premier experts in their fields is that sometimes the tend to not look outside their base comfort zone and miss subtleties or explanations that fall outside of it. .


I've spoken to a lot of knowledgeable fools in my life time. Ranting on and on about how much stuff they know and dazzle you with their big words, talk circles about nothing at all. After a while of this, if you pay attention to them, they have lead you down a time wasting rabbit trail. And unfortunately folks.... by even talking about him, we have wandered down the rabbit trail. WEEDWAcker! I must say.... job well done!



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio

Why would you take a pilots word for it?


Good question. Does being a pilot somehow imply that the pilot knows everything about what might be going on in the world? It might give the pilot a leg up on some basics that the general population is unaware of, but it certainly doesn't imply or indicate in any way that you would be privy to what other pilots might be doing under the guise of testing or national security. Even people working on classified programs and projects quite typically might not know what others in the same are doing. Standard protocol to keep rumors at pay and classified information under wraps. It also doesn't imply that you don't have blind zones or opinions that are deeply entrenched in your psyche. It also doesn't imply that because you can fly a jet and have some basic knowledge about the atmospheric conditions and contrails that you are qualified to dismiss countless reports from areas you may not have even ever visited or spent any amount of time in and then formulate your opinions from there. I could go on, but what's the point. The line in the sand here is drawn.



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