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Originally posted by wcitizen
If you're genuinely trying to understand, I'm happy to share my beliefs with you. If you're trying to draw me out to shoot me down, I'll know and I'll bow out.
The difference between chemtrails and contrails is how they create cloud cover. Contrails, even those which hang for a good while in the sky, tend do stay the same width and disappear more or less quickly. The sky remains the same as it was prior to the contrail. I have observed this many, many times, even when there are several contrails in the sky at a time.
Chemtrails expand, a bit like expanding spray foam does from an aerosol can. There is never just one of them, there are always many. The planes cross the sky constantly in lines, covering an area, and as the trails expand they remain, they don't dissipate and they create cloud cover which lasts for many hours.
I've observed skies where both are present. The contrails disappear, the chemtrails remain, expand and cover the sky.
I'm sure you've seen the photos of them, so I'm surprised you're asking me this question - I guess I don't entirely trust your motive yet.edit on 17-1-2011 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)
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Originally posted by firepilot
Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by firepilot
i would love to see some examples of naturally occurring barium, aluminum, and strontium, in the levels detected by the researchers.
hell, ill settle for 1/10 the levels detected.
and what i would love even more, is an explanation on why they occur together every single time in almost identical ratios.edit on 17-1-2011 by RelentlessLurker because: (no reason given)
Of course they are naturally occuring, since they are often MINED. Again, this idea that somehow metals should not be naturally occuring, its complete bunk and utter junk science that some of you fall for.
Aluminum make up 8 percent of the weight of the earths surface as aluminum ore., 3rd most common element.
Barium - well for supposedly it should not be out in nature, 6,000,000 tons (12 billion pound) of it are mined yearly. Estimated reserves yet to be mined - 450,000,000 tons.
Strontium - 15th most abundant element in nature, and used in vitamin supplements for osteoporosis. Also used very heavy by sugar beet industry in refining sugar. Also forms of it are commonly used in toothpaste too.
Originally posted by matrix12
hey the fbi guy just made a introduction to ats www.abovetopsecret.com...
and then they 404d itedit on 18-1-2011 by matrix12 because: update
Originally posted by JRockABM1
I never post on ATS, I mostly just read, try to avoid the BS, and sort out the paranoia from the true conspiracies.
I live in Southern California and Chemtrails are 100% real. A lot of people are on here talking about "critical thinking", "logic" , etc while debunking and dismissing this theory. Well let's make some logical observations.
1) I notice on a 2-3 times a week basis the patterns in the sky over Los Angeles. Long crossing streaks over the skies, as if the airplanes are are drawing tic-tac-toe boards in the sky. These trails then slowly fade and spread out like a hazy blanket over the entire sky! On days we are supposed to have clear blue skies! If at the very least its visual polution!
2) I also notice other very high flying jets over LA that do not create this same effect.
A CONTRAIL, that dissolves quickly and never looks any longer than 100 feet behind the plain. There is a clear difference between the two. One is leaving a cloud that never completely dissolves and stays THE ENTIRE DAY OVER LA. The other, gone in seconds. ALSO. The planes that have the natural CONTRAILS behind them ARE NOT zig-zagging over the entire city all day. They are going from point-A to point-B. The ones leaving the clouds are "MOWING THE LAWN" so to speak.
3)Ok, so follow the money. How much does it cost to fly a plane for the day over LA, all day? How about every day? How about multiple planes, everyday, in every major city under the UN's control? How much does that cost daily? It must costs MILLIONS PER DAY! At a time when we are supposedly tanking financially our government that only spends money like that when they must for WAR, Black-Ops, and other BS.......this is OBVIOUSLY A PRIORITY to TPTB.
4)So something is going on, PERIOD. People can deny it all they want. If you think that our government is just flying jets over our cities for fun everyday and leaving giant clouds of "exhaust" like the jet is some sort of piece of # Gremlin/Pinto on the freeway, then you my friend are a complete idiot and lack critical thinking. The smoke is not exhaust, it is something being SPRAYED INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE.
5)So what are they spraying? Weather modification chemicals? Something to cool our atmosphere to "protect us"....Maybe. Maybe we are paranoid and they are trying to actually help us. Maybe its a chemical that reflects the sun's radiation in case this pole shift thing does go down and we are left vulnerable to the sun for a window of time and they dont want the public to panic. That is the most logical explanation. Why would they kill their own family and friends? Or, it could be something more sinister like mind altering drugs, maybe they are playing with species genocide...targeting one type of race of birds...testing it out, then they can do the same thing to non-white races around the world. Genocide. There are plenty of possibilities, but one thing is for certain....they are spraying something over our heads everyday, and spending a lot of money to do so, and are not talking about it. Conspiracy.
6)We have a right to know. Period. If I was skipping in circles around you tossing baby poweder over your head you would ask me "what the hell are you doing?!", you might even attack me, tackle me down, ask me "why am I doing that?". What if you didnt know it was baby powder? What if I was in a jet 40,000 feet above you....does that make it any better?
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ON ALL THE BS CONSPIRACIES. COMETS, ALIENS, ETC.
Focus on one, and demand answers! We can see this happening over our heads, it is real! I see so much confusion, fear, and paranoia on this website daily. We have the power to demand answers, protest and gain awareness to this topic.
These are strange times, but stay focused on what is happening right in front of us in REAL LIFE, not on the internet.
I do believe in life on other planets and more information will be known soon on these topics, but now is not the time. Something else is happening right now. Look up and wake up.
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ON ALL THE BS CONSPIRACIES. COMETS, ALIENS, ETC.
Originally posted by network dude
I am trying to debate the reality of chem trails. I am tired of the same old debate of "they are real cuz I seen um", and "no they ain't, yer crazy!" That stuff gets old. If I don't understand what you believe, then I can't very well talk to you about your beliefs. If you see this as me drawing you out, then I apologize and understand if you ignore my response.
If what you are saying is true, then the amount of times this happens per day, per city, is astronomical. The amount of planes involved would be massive, wouldn't they? In your estimate, how many planes might be involved with this conspiracy?