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Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by wcitizen
since this is your thread, maybe you can clear something up for me. Are all lines in the sky that last longer than 20 minutes chemtrails?
thanks in advance for your yes or no answer.
no.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by listeningintently2728
Thoroughly, properly debunked utter nonsense.....The "chemtrail" claims have to keep moving the goalposts, as they get revealed as utter crap rantings, each time. As you can see, back in 2007 they decided to hitch their wagons to HAARP (yet another NON-conspiracy red-herring!). Oh, and the "Tesla" baloney, for good obfuscation measure.....
Read through that fantasy.....that HAARP can "cause earthquakes" and "x-ray the earth for underground bases"!!! Ridiculous. Yes, tin-foil-hat kind of stuff, sorry. The ONE thing correct, is the mention of the IONOSPHERE. Read up on the facts about HAARP.
Oh, and BTW....you might want to learn about the structure of our atmosphere...and just HOW HIGH the ionosphere is!!
(Airplanes....fly at normal MAXIMUM of about 40,000 feet. Commercial airliners....only very few military exotics go higher. The Concorde used to, for its Mach 2 cruise...about 55,000. But, it was the only passenger airliner ever to normally cruise that high).
Oh yeah, the ionosphere...because I'm generous: en.wikipedia.org...
The ionosphere is a shell of electrons and electrically charged atoms and molecules that surrounds the Earth, stretching from a height of about 50 km to more than 1000 km. It owes its existence primarily to ultraviolet radiation from the sun.
50 kilometers, the lower limit.
Let me convert 40,000 FEET to Kilometers for you: 40,000 ft = 12.192 km
edit on 17 January 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by weedwhacker
(And, no....there is no material that could be "spiked" into the jet fuel, as often suggested).
Such a substance -- if any existed that would survive the incredible heat of the combustion of the fuel -- would, again due to the undeniable physics of material properties, ALTER the fuel in undesirable, and quite noticeable ways.
Flames offer potential for synthesis of carbon nanotubes in large quantities at significantly lower cost than that of other methods currently available
The diversity of formed nanomaterials is attributed to the strong variation of flame properties along the flame axis including temperature, hydrocarbon and radical pool. This provides strong selectivity for formation of different nanoforms even without adjustment of catalyst properties.
Originally posted by Sri Oracle
Originally posted by weedwhacker
(And, no....there is no material that could be "spiked" into the jet fuel, as often suggested).
Such a substance -- if any existed that would survive the incredible heat of the combustion of the fuel -- would, again due to the undeniable physics of material properties, ALTER the fuel in undesirable, and quite noticeable ways.
References from wiki (today) on the subject of "carbon nanotube"
nanotube wiki
# ^ Vander Wal, R.L. (2002). "Fe-catalyzed single-walled carbon nanotube synthesis within a flame environment". Combust. Flame 130: 37–47. doi:10.1016/S0010-2180(02)00360-7.
# ^ Saveliev, A.V. (2003). "Metal catalyzed synthesis of carbon nanostructures in an opposed flow methane oxygen flame". Combust. Flame 135: 27–33. doi:10.1016/S0010-2180(03)00142-1.
# ^ Height, M.J. (2004). "Flame synthesis of single-walled carbon nanotubes". Carbon 42: 2295–2307. doi:10.1016/j.carbon.2004.05.010.
# ^ Sen, S.; Puri, Ishwar K (2004). "Flame synthesis of carbon nanofibers and nanofibers composites containing encapsulated metal particles". Nanotechnology 15: 264–268. doi:10.1088/0957-4484/15/3/005.
Flames offer potential for synthesis of carbon nanotubes in large quantities at significantly lower cost than that of other methods currently available
science direct
The diversity of formed nanomaterials is attributed to the strong variation of flame properties along the flame axis including temperature, hydrocarbon and radical pool. This provides strong selectivity for formation of different nanoforms even without adjustment of catalyst properties.
science direct 2
I believe nanofibers are actually easy to manifest in a flame environment such as that of a jet propulsion system by injecting precursors into the burn.
Sri Oracle
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Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by wcitizen
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by wcitizen
since this is your thread, maybe you can clear something up for me. Are all lines in the sky that last longer than 20 minutes chemtrails?
thanks in advance for your yes or no answer.
no.
thanks for answering that.
How do you or anyone else determine which or how many are chem trails as opposed to con trails?
(I am trying to understand not insult)
Originally posted by freelance_zenarchist
Originally posted by crimvelvet
I know of some people who grabbed a sample from military planes on a base near me. The sent the sample out for testing. The crap definitely exists!
So what is it?
What are they spraying and where are the test results?
Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by wcitizen
I would like to add to your answer if I may?
Chemtrails also show up in mass, far more planes than normal in the area. The paths are unusually patterned, unlike normal flight paths.
Additionally, the cloud exhibits different characteristics as pointed out by wcitizen. Many look like an oily stain, and expand something like a liquid stain might on a fabric...very clearly defined trail as it expands. It does not readily dissipate even at the edges.
Hard to explain, but easy to see. Check it out.
Originally posted by Triztheone
The test results said it contained a very high level of 'BARIUM'.
Rosalind Peterson of California Skywatch was a certified U.S.D.A. Farm Service Agency Crop Loss Adjustor working in more than ten counties throughout California
To all those who doubt chemtrails, spend some time watching them being sprayed in the sky, make a diary, take photographs. If you have the patience to do this you will learn a lot.
This is huge, for all the debunkers that say there is no knowledgable truth to chemtrails and the government involvement, i say come and debunk this man that has his fill of the shill game that we live in.
Bono, an experienced skier, was ambushed on the slopes by hired hitmen, who beat him to death and then staged a tree collision, Mr. Gunderson said.
After reviewing the shocking secret documents, former FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells GLOBE: "The official version of Sonny Bono's death is hogwash. It's nonsense for anyone to now try to suggest that Bono died after crashing into a tree.
SONNY Bono, former husband and singing partner of superstar Cher, was clubbed to death by hitmen on the orders of drug and weapons dealers who feared he was going to expose them, a former FBI agent claims.
Chemtrails also show up in mass, far more planes than normal in the area. The paths are unusually patterned, unlike normal flight paths. Additionally, the cloud exhibits different characteristics as pointed out by wcitizen. Many look like an oily stain, and expand something like a liquid stain might on a fabric...very clearly defined trail as it expands. It does not readily dissipate even at the edges.
You see, you are most of the problem.... Once upon a time, ATS members were allowed to disagree respectfully while voicing their opinion.....
People that believe in the "chemtrail dilusion" (notice the low blow) That is the same way that "Govt. paid agent" or "sheep" is received from our end...
People that believe, say that us "non believers" are "small minded", "sheep", blind followers, when in fact, I feel we are just better investigators.. We were able to look at the information available, and come to a logical conclusion.
It may not be the right conclusion for you, but it is for us.
If by NOT believing that the govt. is spraying (What exactly are they supposedly spraying?) a toxic agent over all of us... (including themselves) this means I am a sheep.... Bahhhhh Bahhhh Bahhhh!
Originally posted by RobertMBlevins
Generally speaking, top-ranked FBI guys, even retired ones, are reasonably reliable. If anything, they can be much more conservative than your typical cop and not generally given to flights of fancy.
I have previously worked with the mentally ill, and earlier, in support homes for the elderly. It was how I partially paid for school.
Gunderson doesn't exhibit any signs of senility or being in the early stages of Alzheimers. Maybe he just knows stuff that we don't know. If I had to bet the farm, I would say that he believes what he is saying.