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Originally posted by CONSPIRACYWARRIOR
Originally posted by smurfy
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Johnze
Agree that the existence and persisitence of contrails IS a concern, and is looked into as potentially climate-altering. The science is still uncertain.
There is a choice....accept that contrails form as a consequence of your reliance on fast air travel...or, ground all airplanes and go by train and boat......
Still.....clouds will form regardless, and alter the Earth's albedo in many ways, just as contrails can (in limited fashion, I think. Also, the most albedo change will be in tropical areas that receive more direct Sunlight exposure....not at very high latitudes).
Also.....take a gander at any number of spasce-based views of the planet....and note the incredible LACK of cloud coverage, percentage-wise. For the most part, it appears to be a very minimal impact....contrails.
BTW....cloud coverage in daylight increases albedo and reflectivity....at night, acts more as a thermal barrier, trapping warmth.....
edit on 16 January 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)
The biggest change to Earth Albedo, (assuming global warming) can only be in northern regions. Ice and snow are the biggest reflectors at ground level, so if the ice and snow disappears in those regions radiativity back to space will dramatically decrease from what it was before in those regions, (assuming of course that there is no sand under the ice) and therefore the biggest change. Tropical regions radiativity has an estimated net value of change. Weed, we talked about this before, but at least you have come around a bit in regard to what's whizzing out from under your backside.
Ok! Sorry I have to ask... what is (RADIATIVITY)?/?... and please this is not something you should be compelled to do... after all I know I'm ignorance
Originally posted by matrix12
i think its more than safe to say they exist, the question of debate is why are they doing it?
Originally posted by Sabreblade
Does "Former FBI Chief" equal Special Agent In Charge?
Or am I getting "Chief" confused with "Director"?
Actually I think I'm kinda confused on the FBI chain of command period.
Originally posted by Lynexon
I live in Oklahoma and it seems like almost every time there is a clear day, it doesn't stay that way for long. I have pictures but they aren't the worst that i've seen. it gets ridiculous sometimes
The ionosphere is a shell of electrons and electrically charged atoms and molecules that surrounds the Earth, stretching from a height of about 50 km to more than 1000 km. It owes its existence primarily to ultraviolet radiation from the sun.
Originally posted by Screwed
reply to post by allprowolfy
Where is it written that in EVERY single thread that exposes the truth with some very compelling evidence there HAS to be someone who ohhh so predictably comes in to let us know how misinformed we all are and proceeds to tear down the most impeccible sorce.
It seriously wouldn't matter if it were the President himself at this point. We would have someone within three posts saying, " He can't be trusted, He's a Democrat you know". or, He lied about his citizenship so he can't be trusted when he tells us we have been working alongside factions of an Alien race to enslave the human race", "what would he know, he's just a puppet"?
Seriously people, Is it really a coincidence that EVERY SINGLE TIME a thread is started which raises an eyebrow and causes us to rethink our position in the world andpossibly totally changes our world view we have the ever so predictable debunker?????
Originally posted by Throwback
reply to post by Whitbit
Please repost them for me. I haven't seen any of the links. All I need is proof. I haven't found any at all in my young life, but maybe you have? People still are not dying mysteriously to validate any proof of chemtrails. And please don't post any links referencing or leading to infowars or any related sites. I need empirical data. Anything less is pure speculation.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Just my two cents here as I've noticed that on all these threads and posts here concerning chemtrails
nobody is talking about solutions or means of testing
why doesn't a group of ATS members [both sides] build a a few chembusters:
Goodbye Chemtrails, Hello Blue Skies! The Do-It-Yourself Kit for Sky Repair
and do a scientific test and post the results
believe in chemtrails? here is a good way to demonstrate and gain some peace of mind/ protection.
don't believe in chemtrails, but believe in orgone? build one and see for yourself
don't believe in chemtrails or in orgone? sorry can't help you there
before anybody starts with the why don't you do it:
I refuse to work for others [bosses] so they can get rich
as a result I'm self employed as a rogue installer/comp repair/jailbreaker for hire
so if I can make 20 bucks a day during this time of year I'm lucky [most people are buying new stuff not fixing old stuff. this year the holidays weren't as bad lots of new iphone 4s and 3g 3gs hand me downs]
I live alone with no dependents like a hermit no publicity except word of mouth, so...
also building and using these things could attract unwanted attention, though if I could I'd do it as it allegedly attracts a lot of Sylphs to your area,also if there are chemtrails above your home this will make very big hole in those "clouds". I'm just not ready to drop my "shield" yet
but seriously a collaborative effort would be a great idea with both sides participating and doing something instead of talking.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Maybe no one's asked him for more. They spend all their time saying he's just a crackpot. Someone needs to subpoena him and ask. But no one cares enough to do that or has the power to do that. Hell I don't even know anymore if we have any remedy or recourse.
I don't know if he's a crackpot or not. However, even he should know that without significant evidence favoring his contention, it's likely he'll be perceived that way. If he can produce evidence and believes this strongly in his cause it's his duty to provide it, not necessarily someone with subpoena power.
Let's call him!
I'm serious. Think he'd talk to us?
Originally posted by matrix12
cant call this a contrail... there is no plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by thektotheg
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.