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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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No, I don't think the sky is the same temperature from the ground to space. But only a fool or someone acting obtuse would pretend that the Summer sky over a desert is relatively cold or full of moisture. Also, we're not talking about high-altitude flights. I can always make out the fuel boom. They are definitely staying under the North Polar Jet Stream.

I doubt you can say for sure that 100% of the internet was devoid of Chemtrail talk in the early-mid 90's. Also, I never said internet chatter. Did you know that people used to talk face to face, and over something called a phone?

Most people think that the Tomato is a vegetable, and that Peanuts are nuts. Doesn't make them right. Even if they are a Chef.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by CONSPIRACYWARRIOR

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Johnze
 


Agree that the existence and persisitence of contrails IS a concern, and is looked into as potentially climate-altering. The science is still uncertain.

There is a choice....accept that contrails form as a consequence of your reliance on fast air travel...or, ground all airplanes and go by train and boat......

Still.....clouds will form regardless, and alter the Earth's albedo in many ways, just as contrails can (in limited fashion, I think. Also, the most albedo change will be in tropical areas that receive more direct Sunlight exposure....not at very high latitudes).

Also.....take a gander at any number of spasce-based views of the planet....and note the incredible LACK of cloud coverage, percentage-wise. For the most part, it appears to be a very minimal impact....contrails.

BTW....cloud coverage in daylight increases albedo and reflectivity....at night, acts more as a thermal barrier, trapping warmth.....





edit on 16 January 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)


The biggest change to Earth Albedo, (assuming global warming) can only be in northern regions. Ice and snow are the biggest reflectors at ground level, so if the ice and snow disappears in those regions radiativity back to space will dramatically decrease from what it was before in those regions, (assuming of course that there is no sand under the ice) and therefore the biggest change. Tropical regions radiativity has an estimated net value of change. Weed, we talked about this before, but at least you have come around a bit in regard to what's whizzing out from under your backside.


Ok! Sorry I have to ask... what is (RADIATIVITY)?/?... and please this is not something you should be compelled to do... after all I know I'm ignorance


Mr X-?

It is simply an extension of radiative, used in conjunction with a scale of output, and coined by Gabriel Weinreich a physicist researching in musical instruments, primarily the violin. Example here,

sem-proceedings.com...

Since I am a musician, this interests me... BTW I don't play the fiddle.

edit on 17-1-2011 by smurfy because: Gramma!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Does "Former FBI Chief" equal Special Agent In Charge?
Or am I getting "Chief" confused with "Director"?
Actually I think I'm kinda confused on the FBI chain of command period.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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I am 50 years old here and I have never observed mucky/cloudy/murky skies like I have in the past ten years.
We live in the Ohio valley pollution ally that gets all the garbage from the coal plants in the States.
With the Crash of the US economy there was almost zero smog days here in Ontario the past two summers.
No production = no smog!
Why then are we seeing this crap? Look up boys and girls that is your fate and I think it is going to get worse until somebody like Ron Paul shoots the bastards down.
You must be nuts if you are over 25 years of age to say there is no difference to our once beautiful azure sky.
Regards, I Winder

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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i think its more than safe to say they exist, the question of debate is why are they doing it?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by matrix12
i think its more than safe to say they exist, the question of debate is why are they doing it?


Well it can't be for the good of the human race of they would be yapping about it all the time on all the major Networks.
Maybe they are? we don't do TV here..... :-)



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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He was a division Chief and a Special Agent In Charge, both are distinct titles... division chief outranking the other. If you were military, think of Spec Agent In Charge as kind of a squad leader or someone in charge of a specific mission. Divison Chief is more like the battalion commander.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Sabreblade
Does "Former FBI Chief" equal Special Agent In Charge?
Or am I getting "Chief" confused with "Director"?
Actually I think I'm kinda confused on the FBI chain of command period.


He was Chief of the FBI in LA, he was not a director, which is the supreme office. OP's terminology is correct. Special agent means investigative and power to arrest. Special agent in charge can mean the same as Chief.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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I have found an excellent site about what chemtrails are actually used for. Very informative! Y'all definitely check it out! www.rense.com...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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And there we have another one claiming these deaths were caused my chemtrails...
This is getting quite scary... The other guy who I know was going to warn us about this who I believe was blaiming this on chemtrails is/was John Wheeler. Who died under strange circumstances not very long ago, I have looked into it and I personally believe that he was assasinated, yes...

Remember that name and check him out.

John Wheeler.

Peace my brothers & sisters.
Follow the path of love and courage.

We are all one.
And the government officials are all someone else.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Lynexon
I live in Oklahoma and it seems like almost every time there is a clear day, it doesn't stay that way for long. I have pictures but they aren't the worst that i've seen. it gets ridiculous sometimes



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I live in Norman and you are right... never a clear day... if it is clear, check a few hours later and the sky is covered with streaks... Sometimes they even do grid patterns...

I think that they change the substances that they are spraying... About two and a half years ago, during the summer, they would spray these grid patterns.. They would slowly fall to the earth in what resembled HUGE spider webs... It would look like spider webs hanging down from all the street lights, covering all the cars... Hasn't happened since that summer though...

I am originally from Arkansas and we didn't have them there...

One thing that I have noticed, (it may have more to do with land then chem trails) that the clouds are more 2 dimensional here... When i head back home, by the time i get to the eastern part of oklahoma, the clouds look 3d again (you can tell that some are miles high)...

All the debunkers must live in regions where this activity does not exist...

I doubt they are deliberatly trying to poison us, im sure it has to do with weather modification.....



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Thoroughly, properly debunked utter nonsense.....The "chemtrail" claims have to keep moving the goalposts, as they get revealed as utter crap rantings, each time. As you can see, back in 2007 they decided to hitch their wagons to HAARP (yet another NON-conspiracy red-herring!). Oh, and the "Tesla" baloney, for good obfuscation measure.....

Read through that fantasy.....that HAARP can "cause earthquakes" and "x-ray the earth for underground bases"!!! Ridiculous. Yes, tin-foil-hat kind of stuff, sorry. The ONE thing correct, is the mention of the IONOSPHERE. Read up on the facts about HAARP.

Oh, and BTW....you might want to learn about the structure of our atmosphere...and just HOW HIGH the ionosphere is!!


(Airplanes....fly at normal MAXIMUM of about 40,000 feet. Commercial airliners....only very few military exotics go higher. The Concorde used to, for its Mach 2 cruise...about 55,000. But, it was the only passenger airliner ever to normally cruise that high).

Oh yeah, the ionosphere...because I'm generous: en.wikipedia.org...


The ionosphere is a shell of electrons and electrically charged atoms and molecules that surrounds the Earth, stretching from a height of about 50 km to more than 1000 km. It owes its existence primarily to ultraviolet radiation from the sun.



50 kilometers, the lower limit.
Let me convert 40,000 FEET to Kilometers for you: 40,000 ft = 12.192 km






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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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I dont see any evidence linking chemtrails to the deaths of animals.....why isnt it having the same effect on humans?

And dont say that animals have weaker immune systems then people do please



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Screwed
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Where is it written that in EVERY single thread that exposes the truth with some very compelling evidence there HAS to be someone who ohhh so predictably comes in to let us know how misinformed we all are and proceeds to tear down the most impeccible sorce.

It seriously wouldn't matter if it were the President himself at this point. We would have someone within three posts saying, " He can't be trusted, He's a Democrat you know". or, He lied about his citizenship so he can't be trusted when he tells us we have been working alongside factions of an Alien race to enslave the human race", "what would he know, he's just a puppet"?

Seriously people, Is it really a coincidence that EVERY SINGLE TIME a thread is started which raises an eyebrow and causes us to rethink our position in the world andpossibly totally changes our world view we have the ever so predictable debunker?????


Well... you know.... The government just love it when we are fightin amongst each other...
also it buys them time...
ALOT of time.. As we are here all day on the forums instead of out on the streets taking REAL action...

I mean chemtrails ain't anything new now... So with atleast HALF of the people in the U.S.A or a quarter even, that wants to know the truth about this, you would easily be able to create a big demonstration somwhere...

So what are we waiting for?

Can't be that hard to arrange really... Just contact someone like Alexey Jonsey to give the word out and we have it all in front of us very soon... (Not that I like or trust Alex Jones but it would be good for his pr too, don't forget that it's all about business/profit folks... That's how you get somewhere in this currupt corporate world


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Peace!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Throwback
reply to post by Whitbit
 


Please repost them for me. I haven't seen any of the links. All I need is proof. I haven't found any at all in my young life, but maybe you have? People still are not dying mysteriously to validate any proof of chemtrails. And please don't post any links referencing or leading to infowars or any related sites. I need empirical data. Anything less is pure speculation.


I posted an extremely long post of links and quotes from articles. It's on page 8. There was also someone else who posted a lot of information on the same page. It's not hard to find yourself, either. Type geoengineering into google. You will get a lot more results than if you type in chemtrails, as that is just slang. The official government program name is 'geoengineering'

My main point was-- TOO many people post without reading all the other posts. Not just you, but a LOT of other people do, too.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Just my two cents here as I've noticed that on all these threads and posts here concerning chemtrails
nobody is talking about solutions or means of testing

why doesn't a group of ATS members [both sides] build a a few chembusters:

Goodbye Chemtrails, Hello Blue Skies! The Do-It-Yourself Kit for Sky Repair

and do a scientific test and post the results

believe in chemtrails? here is a good way to demonstrate and gain some peace of mind/ protection.

don't believe in chemtrails, but believe in orgone? build one and see for yourself

don't believe in chemtrails or in orgone? sorry can't help you there

before anybody starts with the why don't you do it:

I refuse to work for others [bosses] so they can get rich
as a result I'm self employed as a rogue installer/comp repair/jailbreaker for hire
so if I can make 20 bucks a day during this time of year I'm lucky [most people are buying new stuff not fixing old stuff. this year the holidays weren't as bad lots of new iphone 4s and 3g 3gs hand me downs]
I live alone with no dependents like a hermit no publicity except word of mouth, so...

also building and using these things could attract unwanted attention, though if I could I'd do it as it allegedly attracts a lot of Sylphs to your area,also if there are chemtrails above your home this will make very big hole in those "clouds". I'm just not ready to drop my "shield" yet
but seriously a collaborative effort would be a great idea with both sides participating and doing something instead of talking.



WORD



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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Maybe no one's asked him for more. They spend all their time saying he's just a crackpot. Someone needs to subpoena him and ask. But no one cares enough to do that or has the power to do that. Hell I don't even know anymore if we have any remedy or recourse.


I don't know if he's a crackpot or not. However, even he should know that without significant evidence favoring his contention, it's likely he'll be perceived that way. If he can produce evidence and believes this strongly in his cause it's his duty to provide it, not necessarily someone with subpoena power.


Let's call him!

I'm serious. Think he'd talk to us?



Yes someone, please do that.. That would make this ridiculous debate go one step further..
also folks... I LIKE REal life ACTION.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by matrix12
cant call this a contrail... there is no plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Are there any pictures/proof of that PLANES actually are the cause for chemtrails???
I was playing with the thought earlier of the possibility that it could be some kind of remote-controlled rocket or anything else who spray tehse chemtrails..

Any thoughts on this?
Any good credible eveidence?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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After the chemtrails have been sprayed they form into waves and head off in a particular direction, HAARP is used to control them and control the weather. Watch them and you'll see

Floods around the world are caused for depopulation and United Nations Agenda 21 i.e. moving populations into small areas



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by thektotheg
I've come to notice that chemtrail debunkers are even more ridiculous than UFO debunkers. Both groups are incredibly amusing, though.


You know, I am not a denier or a believer. Truth be told... I do lean a bit towards the skeptical side on this issue....

But come on, the deniers in here have not been ridiculous at all from what I can tell. They have been respectful and stating their opinions just as the believers have... Well actually the believers in here have been the ones making fun of the debunkers ( for lack of a better term), and have even gone as far as claiming the debunkers are being insulting.

With all do respect, I have only seen the debunkers as for any supporting evidence of the claims presented in this thread. You and I both know that is a very reasonable request. No one is asking the believers to hop on one foot while reciting the pledge of allegiance or something.

My point here is that it is not ridiculous at all for anyone on either side of this debate to ask for legitimate evidence. Note that no one is even asking for firm proof. Just evidence... Any at all.... and with all do respect " look up" is not evidence...

I can look up right now and see all kinds of things... But what I will see is not evidence of anything. So why do the believers find it insulting that the debunkers want evidence? Why do they find it insulting that the debunkers wont just take their word for it?

Why on earth would you WANT people to just take your word for it? Are the believers wanting to have their own personal heard of sheep? Let's be honest. Nothing will be proven or disproven. Nothing will be done or not done. The discussion will go no further than it has, until both sides of the debate can actually discuss with out "getting insulted" or throwing insults around and are actually willing to consider both sides and check out any evidence for or against.

So, believers. The debunkers have respectfully asked for any evidence of the claims made by Gunderson. That is not an insult. It is a request. They are looking for the truth just as hard as anyone and you cannot just expect people to take your word for it.

To everyone. Keep your mind open, but don't open it to far or your brain will fall out. In other words. Consider all sides of a debate. Study, research and ask questions. Because then and only then will you find any shred of truth. Any other way and you are just wasting your time.



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