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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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I'm sorry but this is not proof for "chemtrails" to me at all. All my respects to Mr. Gunderson, but he can be wrong too like anybody else, That's the trap of chmetrals. He is not precisely leaking info...

How do we match these four planes with the thousands of chem/contrails chemtrails believers identify every day over their heads? How do you relate chemtrails to dying brids? I thoght they had been spraying since mid 90's... We should be almost birdless by today.

I dislike chemtrails a lot because they're easy to believe to, but once you're in no solutions, no questions, nothing is provided WHY?, there're only deep unsustainable worries ahead, IM BEING POISONED! THAT'S WHY IM TIRED-DEPRESSED-WEAK, watching up to skies, looking for an invisible, unreachable "enemy" while other things are happening around And these other things could just be HAPPY things like family neighbours and friends.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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I think that sometimes we forget or ignore that many people who think there just might be "something" going on are not assuming the worst-case scenario. Worst case being something like, "OMG they're poisoning us and we're all gonna die in our sleep."

If there is something to this, this pattern we've been noticing, it could very well be altruistic in nature. For example, we see solar flares of great magnitude coming and are working to shield them" or "We are working to attempt to alleviate drought." That's not to say that even in the altruistic scenario, there can be harmful side-effects.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Yes, and I've also seen both in the sky at the same time - normal contrails which just evaporate and the contrails which expand and eventually, as you say, cover the sky.

This has got to be stopped, as have the HAARP experiments which are not only interfering with our weather, but much more besides, possibly including the deaths of the birds and fish.

The UK daily mail actually made a reference to the US use of HAARP and a possible link between it and the mass die-offs, which is amazing for the MSM. Hopefully public awareness of these crimes is growing.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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For anyone who would like to read into Ted, some of the cases he worked on which led him to uncovering of things such as the satanic rituals, killings etc., I would highly recommend this link:

educate-yourself.org...

You will find information in abundance there, and better yet, from the information supplied you can use your initiative to research and absorb the data widely available on the net; rather than just calling him a 'nut job'.
edit on 17-1-2011 by LogicalThinker88 because: speeling error



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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The thing most people don't realize is that although con trails are perfectly capable of looking like chem trails,(and we have plenty of experts here that have shown that) that Does NOT mean that there are not chem trails being sprayed.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Hmm.

I see the "chemtrails" here in Denmark everyday. 3-6 on the skies all the times.
no birds dies here, no fish. No one is sick. And he even said north europe was affected.

And, they are spraying these chemtrails but it doesn't seem to do anything. Nothing dies here.

unless that these birds that dies, are poisoned from other countries (like Denmark) and they travel, and then die some weeks later because of these chemtrails.

Can someone give me an example of why they would spray chemtrails? Any reasonable explanation to all this would be good.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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I think the main point of all that is he was retired in 1979.. Chemtrail subject didnt come up till 1996.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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Do you know this man or his motivations? I have known weedwhacker for quite a while.. I would consider his opinion well informed.

Weekwhacker is a member on a conspiracy site.. I think he would be the first to tell you, he would spread the truth about chemtrails if the really existed..

So you'll take a man at his word, only because of his past with the FBI? Does this guy have a book coming out ? You don't know his motivation, so to assume he is telling the truth, is nothing more than that, assuming!

It is hilarious... Folks discredit anything the alphabet agencies say, UNLESS it agrees with their opinions.. If this man said "aliens don't exist" .. the discredit him ball would be rolling.. But, because he agrees with your opinion, all of a sudden he is "credible source" ...

It is rather pathetic..



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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I understand that, I was simply providing information regarding Ted, not chemtrails, so that people could get a better understanding to who he is and what he is about, rather than just labelling him a nut.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by ypperst
Hmm.

I see the "chemtrails" here in Denmark everyday. 3-6 on the skies all the times.
no birds dies here, no fish. No one is sick. And he even said north europe was affected.

And, they are spraying these chemtrails but it doesn't seem to do anything. Nothing dies here.

unless that these birds that dies, are poisoned from other countries (like Denmark) and they travel, and then die some weeks later because of these chemtrails.

Can someone give me an example of why they would spray chemtrails? Any reasonable explanation to all this would be good.


The main reason is weather modification. It is becoming a huge industry all over the world and the scariest part about it is that it is basically unregulated. The only worldwide regulation on weather modification is a UN sanction against the use of weather modification as a weapon. The main chemicals used are silver iodide, dry ice and salt.

Here are links to a couple of dial-a-cloud companies and photo's of their aircraft fleets are on their sites -

www.nawcinc.com...
www.weathermodification.com...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Seagle

Originally posted by Seagle
The problem with the Chemtrail debate is that it completely sidetracks the main issue. So much time is spent arguing over types of aircraft and the visibility of chemical 'trails' instead of sticking to undeniable facts.

Nobody can deny that chemicals are being dispersed from planes, it is happening around the world under the name weather modification. It is real, it is rife and it is dangerous to our health directly but even more dangerous to the global enviroment.

For the record, some of the methods used leave visible chemtrails. Also, when seeding dry cloud the process and particles actually increases the likelihood of visible Contrail being left as planes pass through it.

Here is a fantastic video showing a cloud seeding operation in reverse.






Anyone want to tell me these are all just contrails??


Still waiting for someone to tell me that this video of a weather modification operation carried out by Weather Mod Inc planes are just contrails?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Resurrectio
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Do you know this man or his motivations? I have known weedwhacker for quite a while.. I would consider his opinion well informed.



He is an old man, what possible motivations could provoke him to make this up? (rhetorical) Also, do you know your government? Do you know what their motivations are? There's a clue in the word 'Government'.


Originally posted by Resurrectio
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Weekwhacker is a member on a conspiracy site.. I think he would be the first to tell you, he would spread the truth about chemtrails if the really existed..



Exactly that, '...a member on a conspiracy site...' and probably a very good one too. But that does not mean he knows everything.


Originally posted by Resurrectio
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So you'll take a man at his word, only because of his past with the FBI? Does this guy have a book coming out ? You don't know his motivation, so to assume he is telling the truth, is nothing more than that, assuming!



I personally am not taking anyone's word, I'm simply looking at facts and making an informed decision. And it is pure fact that chemicals have been sprayed on the public before. Its even been admitted by my good country. And to 'assume' he is making it up is also exactly that, assuming .


Originally posted by Resurrectio
reply to post by this_is_who_we_are
 


It is hilarious... Folks discredit anything the alphabet agencies say, UNLESS it agrees with their opinions.. If this man said "aliens don't exist" .. the discredit him ball would be rolling.. But, because he agrees with your opinion, all of a sudden he is "credible source" ...



He's retired, so doesn't work for the agency any more, so any discrediting being done, is to him as a man, not the agency. The fact that he previously worked for the agency does give him more credit as he was an insider, as a pose to the average Joe coming out with it. Also, being the former chief of the LA FBI, i would have hoped a man of such experience deserves not to be taken lightly


Originally posted by Resurrectio
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It is rather pathetic..



Really? There's no need to name call.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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And here is another great video showing some of the Royal Rain Making fleet owned by the King of Thailand dumping chemicals in a cloud seeding operation. Anybody want to try and pass this off as contrails?

This is an interesting story in itself because between 1996-1998 the American company Weather Modification Inc was undertaking cloud seeding operations in Thailand for the King. Then in 1999 the King filed and now owns over 50 patents throughout Europe relating to weather modification based on the same principals the US company was using for him. I admit that he does appear to have taken it further and claims to be able to create rain from scratch in any conditions using a minimum of 7 planes dropping various chemicals at different altitudes. He made it rain in the middle of the desert for the Saudi Goverment

There was an interesting thread the other day proving that the the Queensland Government in Australia signed an agreement in August 2010 to trial the Royal Rainmaking method, 5 months before the floods. It will be interesting to see if the trial had started




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Seagle


Still waiting for someone to tell me that this video of a weather modification operation carried out by Weather Mod Inc planes are just contrails?


Because, their small general aviation type planes, and are CLOUD seeding. You are showing pictures of blue skies, and I hope you know that blue skies are not the same thing as rain/snow storm. This is obvious to most people, but not chemmies.

Most of their planes they use, are Piper Senecas and Cessna 340s. Want to tell us how a plane that weighs about as much as a car or truck, and that carries some silver iodide flares on the wings. supposedly is up there cruising around in the stratosphere in blue skies making massive trails, then that plane is not far from gross weight with two pilots and full of fuel.

Oh and BTW, they only have at most 4 airplanes operating over the winter, most in California on winter snowpack contracts. Those cloud seeding planes can not even get high enough to do what you think they do, and winter cloud seeding is done often around 9-12k feet.

Its obvious, if you are linking to videos of blue sky contracts from large aircraft up in the stratosphere, and you confuse that for winter cloud seeding with small planes inside snowstorms, you are rather confused.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by weedwhacker
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Is this a joke? (Is "Ted Gunderson" of sound mind??)

This "world-wide" activity as he claims --- ( Oh, BTW....that "aircrap" website? Links to more similar nonsense...lake that woman in Northern California. Has a LOT of photos of normal everyday contrails, though...
) --- he claims ALL of it is done by just a mere handful of airplnes??:


"Four of the planes are out of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, Nebraska. And, the other planes are out of Fort Sill, Oklahoma. I personally have observed the planes that were standing still in Nebraska – Lincoln, Nebraska – at the Air National Guard."


Well, let's do a little sleuthing......and go visit Lincoln and Ft. Sill...(I've been to Lincoln many times, through its airport...).

OK....just got back from visiting the 155th Air Refueling Wing (ARW) at Lincoln:

www.155arw.ang.af.mil...

("Refueling" means "tankers". Not much of a "secret", nor a "conspiracy"...)

The ANG Wing is based right there at the commercial airport that serves the city of Lincoln!! In plain view, for all to see.

Is Ted Gunderson simply incredibly ignorant of the nature of the airplanes he saw???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In Oklahoma resides the 137the Air Refueling WIng of the Oklahoma ANG.
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Would a refueling tanker base not make great cover for such an operation??? This man is putting forth evidence that he believes points to these operations. You are putting forth evidence to the contrary. Are either of you correct? Hard to tell as the "Evidence" cannot be properly vetted. For you to simply dismiss this out of hand leads me to believe that you are engaging in cointelpro - either that or you are simply refusing to deny ignorance. Which might it be?


Yes, we are totally dismissing that the plane can fly out of Ft Sill, thats impossible. And Aerial refueling is not some cover for chemtrails, there is such a actual thing. And its not a base, they fly out of a public airport. I doubt anyone here will actually go get photos of these supposedly unmarked secret airplanes though. Why would KC-135s be unmarked anyways?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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To restate my own words, he's not a US government employee. He hasn't been for over 30 years. On top of that, everyone he would've known at the FBI would have retired years ago.

In agreeance with you.


However, take note that the FBI is responsible for law enforcement. This topic isn't something within his operational area as SAIC of an FBI field office or division chief, not to mention the notorious amount of compartmentalization in place at the time.


edit on 17-1-2011 by Illuminizard because: Clarification

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edit on 17-1-2011 by Illuminizard because: Errors!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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weedwhacker and firepilot are the 2 worst paid disinfo agents around. Why....cause they don't even get paid.
They troll EVERY chemtrail thread with their bullsh** know it all attitudes. Guess what, plenty of people know way more than you 2 dopes about aviation and pretty much everything else.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Seagle
And here is another great video showing some of the Royal Rain Making fleet owned by the King of Thailand dumping chemicals in a cloud seeding operation. Anybody want to try and pass this off as contrails?

This is an interesting story in itself because between 1996-1998 the American company Weather Modification Inc was undertaking cloud seeding operations in Thailand for the King. Then in 1999 the King filed and now owns over 50 patents throughout Europe relating to weather modification based on the same principals the US company was using for him. I admit that he does appear to have taken it further and claims to be able to create rain from scratch in any conditions using a minimum of 7 planes dropping various chemicals at different altitudes. He made it rain in the middle of the desert for the Saudi Goverment

There was an interesting thread the other day proving that the the Queensland Government in Australia signed an agreement in August 2010 to trial the Royal Rainmaking method, 5 months before the floods. It will be interesting to see if the trial had started



Ah, a video of small single engine propellor planes at low levels? I thought this was about big jets up high? You are just throwing anything you can think of up, and not knowing what it is. You probably think a small plane releasing a bag of dry ice, is somehow proof of a vast plot of super sekrit large jets spraying metals and diseases down on people. I thought this was about secret chemtrail operations out of Ft Sill and the Lincoln Nebraska airport, not small planes trying to seed a rainstorm for more rain.

And no, nobody has made it rain from scratch in Saudi Arabia, thats impossible. And do you raelly think a bag of dry ice at low levels from a small plane, is actualy going to magically be a massive trail across the entire sky up at 35,000 ft. Hint - its obvious in that video they are flying at LOW elevation, that plane could never make it up that high as you chemtrailers think. Consider learning about airplanes sometime



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady

Originally posted by jameshawkings
This is one of the best threads I've seen in a long while. Chemtrails are one of the most important issues of our time, I've been carefully observing them in Britain for many years, anyone who takes time to watch them and photograph them in the sky will be aware that these are not contrails. This is the United Nations depopulation program and it needs to be stopped immediately!


You should read the book Don Quixote and maybe you will learn to stop tilting at windmills and start focusing on the real issues of oppressions and injustice in this world.

Once those issues are solved then even your chemtrail concerns will be solved too,


I'm well aware of these other issues, but yes like you say if we sort out the United Nations we will have sorted out the root of many problems in the world







 
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