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Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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Yes in relation to your thread title this is true.
However this may paint a picture for you?
www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Ellen15

My posts are generally geared for those who believe:

(i) Chem trails are real
(ii) Chem trails are toxic and poisoning/culling the population
(iii) Those who claim they witness chem trail spraying in their area and surrounding area on a regular base



This may be true, however you are still using the gimp media tactic of asking a questions that cannot be answered, in an attempt to put your "oppoisition" on the back foot, cheap, lowsy tactic IMO. Exactly the same as " Prove god doesnt exist".


Ofcourse it CAN be answered!

Ofcourse one can do something to add protection if they believe they are being poisoned by these chem trails!

IT is that simple! Protective Gear!

Suggesting/pointing out protection - is a back foot, cheap loswly tactic? You cant be serious!



Your asking people why they havent protected themselves against something they know little about, also you must know yourself that alot of people, probably even yourself included will not take certain steps that could protect your family against certain things "because of what the neighbours may say" And you might not agree with that, but its a FACT.


Many in here believe they know what type of chemicals are being sprayed (or a collection of chemcials) and how harmful they are to ones health and well being

For the Record: I think its pretty obvious I dont care what "the Jones have" or "what they think" or "what they do" or 'what they say"

I dont live my life like that! Seems others do though, that isnt on me, thats on them! they OWN THAT not me nor YOU (unless you are bothered by what neighbours think of you or say about you)



If you do not beleive this is true EXPLAIN WHY


Not once did I ever suggest that I dont believe these chem trails are happening in the areas many members claim they witness being done on a regular bases, not once!


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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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This is one of the best threads I've seen in a long while. Chemtrails are one of the most important issues of our time, I've been carefully observing them in Britain for many years, anyone who takes time to watch them and photograph them in the sky will be aware that these are not contrails. This is the United Nations depopulation program and it needs to be stopped immediately!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by jameshawkings
This is one of the best threads I've seen in a long while. Chemtrails are one of the most important issues of our time, I've been carefully observing them in Britain for many years, anyone who takes time to watch them and photograph them in the sky will be aware that these are not contrails. This is the United Nations depopulation program and it needs to be stopped immediately!


You should read the book Don Quixote and maybe you will learn to stop tilting at windmills and start focusing on the real issues of oppressions and injustice in this world.

Once those issues are solved then even your chemtrail concerns will be solved too,



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Jazz, I know you've probably had enough of people asking you to clarify... but could you help me out here. How are these two linked?

I know you keep saying 'Its hard to explain it because its the cause of EVERYTHING' but please do try. Personally I thought these satellites went into orbit in 1998 or so, and after reading through the long long topic of yours, I'm sure in there somewhere you mentioned these satellites controlling what we see in our night skies. However I'm pretty sure that pre 1998, stars were littered throughout the sky. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I am just struggling with your hypothesis, and how to interpret it.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by wcitizen
 


Is this a joke? (Is "Ted Gunderson" of sound mind??)

This "world-wide" activity as he claims --- ( Oh, BTW....that "aircrap" website? Links to more similar nonsense...lake that woman in Northern California. Has a LOT of photos of normal everyday contrails, though...
) --- he claims ALL of it is done by just a mere handful of airplnes??:


"Four of the planes are out of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, Nebraska. And, the other planes are out of Fort Sill, Oklahoma. I personally have observed the planes that were standing still in Nebraska – Lincoln, Nebraska – at the Air National Guard."


Well, let's do a little sleuthing......and go visit Lincoln and Ft. Sill...(I've been to Lincoln many times, through its airport...).

OK....just got back from visiting the 155th Air Refueling Wing (ARW) at Lincoln:

www.155arw.ang.af.mil...

("Refueling" means "tankers". Not much of a "secret", nor a "conspiracy"...)

The ANG Wing is based right there at the commercial airport that serves the city of Lincoln!! In plain view, for all to see.

Is Ted Gunderson simply incredibly ignorant of the nature of the airplanes he saw???

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In Oklahoma resides the 137the Air Refueling WIng of the Oklahoma ANG.
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Do you have the security clearance to get in there with these aircraft and check what each is carrying?. Or did you just take the tour and saw what they wanted you to see? When the former head of the FBI is fed up and starts talking , it's time to open the mind. Why are you always trashing this idea, even when shown proof?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady:

You should read the book Don Quixote and maybe you will learn to stop tilting at windmills and start focusing on the real issues of oppressions and injustice in this world. Once those issues are solved then even your chemtrail concerns will be solved too.


Excellent point!!! I'm a firm believer in working toward solving the "problem", not putting a band-aid on the "symptom". Successfully addressing and stopping chemtrails (assuming they are real), and all the effort it would take, would result in and end to chemtrails, and the beginning of cloud seeding (or something else). Just because you take the gun away from the crazy guy, doesn't mean he won't get a knife. To solve the problem, and make sure it stays solved, you have to address the crazy guy.

If we would all focus our efforts and fix this government (not the administration...both sides and everyone) and get back to one that supports and protects it's people, their rights, their freedoms, their interests, etc...the other problems would vanish. Every effort to attack something like chemtrails (since we know ending them will result in something new that does the same thing), is therefore a wasted effort. Spend this time and effort on the one, obvious problem that (as far as I know) no one here doubts. An out-of-control, greedy, "work to keep our own jobs and income", government that cares nothing about the common man...except for his vote.

If you solve that problem...everything else will fall into place. And I know it can be solved. I may be a rare (older) breed...but when I'm given a job, I do that job to the best of my ability. I don't look at that job to see how it can make me richer, more powerful etc. (other than fair pay for the work). I view my job, my work as a personal reflection of who and what I am. And if I'm that way...I know there are others. Sadly though...being in management in these tough economic times...I see that I (or we) are a dying breed.

But that is all the more reason to act now, before the bitterness of the current situations turn us all...by either need or desperation...into vultures.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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....and I have read they are putting the agents in the fuel itself.


Nope. I have explained this, countless times, as simply untrue and impractical, for reasons that you will understand if you think about it (Hint: What happens to fuel in an engine....does it burn up at very high temperatures? And, do you know why fuel systems require filters, to prevent engine damage? Know the types of fuel filters used on jet engines??).


I have also been told they are using huge tanks in the belly of the jets or airplanes and spraying by way of aerosols the chemtrails.


Grossly incorrect. You are getting that nonsense from those foolish "chemtrail" websites, I suppose? IF you had spent any time around airplnes, you'd know how ridiculous those claims are.


However, your "mosquito" DC-3s and choppers??

NO ONE has said that that type of spraying doesn't exist!!! But, as in cropdusting......pest control sprays are donen at LOW ALTITUDE! Have noting at all to do with the typical "chemtrail" claims of passenger jets at cruise altitudes....



We also have the 2nd largest fleet of DC-3 mosquito control planes in the United States ...

edit on 16 January 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)


I have been around plenty of planes my son is a pilot and if someone or some group wanted to they can spray whatever and most people would not know. Have you analyzed jet fuel lately? I have not. All I want to know is what is in the air around my condo because we have been congested and sick constantly. Of course spraying insecticides is not chemtrails anyone knows that because of the low altitude spraying. ^Y^



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Did anyone here bother to do a web search on Ted L. Gunderson? This guy is a nut case!

here

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In November of 1995, his ad appeared that stated, "We will train and inform you about mind control tactics and technology. We will show you how to shield from ELF and 'Electrostatic Sensory Manipulation'. We will test for brain implants, tracking chips, and resonant cavities.


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A two page letter that Gunderson wrote on July 27, 1987 to Senator John McCain reveals Gunderson's desire to convince the federal government that "the Satanic Cult movement is involved in a national criminal conspiracy network".



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by samkent
Did anyone here bother to do a web search on Ted L. Gunderson? This guy is a nut case!


The more pertinent question here might be, "Did you bother to read this thread?" Because if you had, you would know the answer to your question.

A lot of what you are saying here was covered and already discussed, and you appear to be in agreement with some of the other posters yet are not addressing the discussion points that have already occurred. Points to take: Is he really a nut or being vilified? Has he been challenged? Is there validity in what he says on this topic? How do the examples you cite correlate to this topic? Where are the connections? The disconnections. Are you pointing out a pattern of behavior, assuming that the examples you cite are 100% accurate indications of his batpoop craziness and have no validity of their own on those topics, and extrapolating somehow from this that he's to be outright dismissed on this topic? And even if you have the answers to these question, might the more pertinent questions here be missing? Why has he gone "nut case?" Was he always that way? Were there people who contributed? Their motives? His motives? You get the idea....

I think the thread has moved beyond your "nut case" contribution.

Thoughts?



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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by samkent
Did anyone here bother to do a web search on Ted L. Gunderson? This guy is a nut case!

here

Quote:



In November of 1995, his ad appeared that stated, "We will train and inform you about mind control tactics and technology. We will show you how to shield from ELF and 'Electrostatic Sensory Manipulation'. We will test for brain implants, tracking chips, and resonant cavities.


and



A two page letter that Gunderson wrote on July 27, 1987 to Senator John McCain reveals Gunderson's desire to convince the federal government that "the Satanic Cult movement is involved in a national criminal conspiracy network".


a web search gives you fact thats he`a nut case ? interesting.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by wcitizen
 


Is this a joke? (Is "Ted Gunderson" of sound mind??)

This "world-wide" activity as he claims --- ( Oh, BTW....that "aircrap" website? Links to more similar nonsense...lake that woman in Northern California. Has a LOT of photos of normal everyday contrails, though...
) --- he claims ALL of it is done by just a mere handful of airplnes??:


"Four of the planes are out of the Air National Guard in Lincoln, Nebraska. And, the other planes are out of Fort Sill, Oklahoma. I personally have observed the planes that were standing still in Nebraska – Lincoln, Nebraska – at the Air National Guard."


Well, let's do a little sleuthing......and go visit Lincoln and Ft. Sill...(I've been to Lincoln many times, through its airport...).

OK....just got back from visiting the 155th Air Refueling Wing (ARW) at Lincoln:

www.155arw.ang.af.mil...

("Refueling" means "tankers". Not much of a "secret", nor a "conspiracy"...)

The ANG Wing is based right there at the commercial airport that serves the city of Lincoln!! In plain view, for all to see.

Is Ted Gunderson simply incredibly ignorant of the nature of the airplanes he saw???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In Oklahoma resides the 137the Air Refueling WIng of the Oklahoma ANG.
edit on 16 January 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)


Would a refueling tanker base not make great cover for such an operation??? This man is putting forth evidence that he believes points to these operations. You are putting forth evidence to the contrary. Are either of you correct? Hard to tell as the "Evidence" cannot be properly vetted. For you to simply dismiss this out of hand leads me to believe that you are engaging in cointelpro - either that or you are simply refusing to deny ignorance. Which might it be?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Mental state discussion aside, it is known fact that there are documented records of governments having done this in the past, and for prolonged periods, without explanation. The records are there, it's not a myth that this has happened.
Are they still doing it?
Well, take a look at your government then consider it for yourself.

Personally, nothing would surprise me. They've done it before, so why would they suddenly stop? There was no protest, no real discussion about it, no one was charged with damaging the health of the nation and no leaders have been blamed or faced any consequences for their actions.

So yeah, I'm sure they don't do it anymore!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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My kids can tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail thank you very much, especially when there spraying in large X patterns or perfect tic tac toe patterns, it doesnt take a genius to tell theres something going on there, and besides the UK goverment admitted to spraying there public with all kinds a nasty stuff, so why is it so hard for people to grasp the fact that the same thing is going on here in the US, the same people that were spraying the UK are probably spraying the US too.

www.youtube.com...

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just a couple a videos to check out, and yes i admit i have no idea what there doing, but im positive that something is going on, and if you want to believe that chemtrails are just simply contrails then thats your porogative, and ill continue to be suspect of something going on in our skies, when its completely obvious to see, and you definelty do not need vast knowledge of science to tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail, we need to stop bickering on whos right and wrong and whats real or not and find out the truth. this is a conspiracy website, and the oldest trick in the book is being used to discredit everything, divide and conquer, so we need to value everyones opinion, sort it out, and find out what the truth is



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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The problem with the Chemtrail debate is that it completely sidetracks the main issue. So much time is spent arguing over types of aircraft and the visibility of chemical 'trails' instead of sticking to undeniable facts.

Nobody can deny that chemicals are being dispersed from planes, it is happening around the world under the name weather modification. It is real, it is rife and it is dangerous to our health directly but even more dangerous to the global enviroment.

For the record, some of the methods used leave visible chemtrails. Also, when seeding dry cloud the process and particles actually increases the likelihood of visible Contrail being left as planes pass through it.

Here is a fantastic video showing a cloud seeding operation in reverse.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by mbkennel
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So, what are "They" getting out of this?

Who is spending the money to do this special "whatever"? What is this "aircrap"? What's the purpose, what's the evidence?


You expect me to have all the answers? I don't. I believe in chemtrails, I know they are happening. It's an international black ops and I guess the funding is coming from various governments and 'elites'.

What is the purpose? There could be several. Since those perpetrating these crimes haven't made a public statement, the reasons why they are doing this are impossible to confirm.

What's the evidence? There is plenty available on the web, but you don't honestly expect me to spend my time doing YOUR research for you, now do you?
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Good stuff, here is another link regarding the UK, covered by the BBC in 2006...

www.youtube.com...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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He also says satanic cults killed a Scientologist.

Soooo. yea.

He seems credible?


Does that seem impossible to you?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Seagle
The problem with the Chemtrail debate is that it completely sidetracks the main issue. So much time is spent arguing over types of aircraft and the visibility of chemical 'trails' instead of sticking to undeniable facts.

Nobody can deny that chemicals are being dispersed from planes, it is happening around the world under the name weather modification. It is real, it is rife and it is dangerous to our health directly but even more dangerous to the global enviroment.

For the record, some of the methods used leave visible chemtrails. Also, when seeding dry cloud the process and particles actually increases the likelihood of visible Contrail being left as planes pass through it.

Here is a fantastic video showing a cloud seeding operation in reverse.






Anyone want to tell me these are all just contrails??




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