The Day Before Roswell

VERY NICE!!! Thank you for the info and for the time to research it. I enjoy reading threads that are informative with no bickering... Nice job!!!!

Originally posted by starkite2003
VERY NICE!!! Thank you for the info and for the time to research it. I enjoy reading threads that are informative with no bickering... Nice job!!!!

Starkite2003, it certainly is a mighty fine thread with some great research -this document is from 1949 so it's after the Roswell incident but it also mentions a spate of sightings from around the area -apparently the local commanders were 'perturbed by the implications of the phenomena'.

Reality of UFO Phenomenon

UFOs are not fun and games, they are not delusions. They are real. The phenomenon has involved real technology, doing real things that are not supposed to be possible. This technology, since at least World War Two, has engaged in a confrontational and provocative manner with U.S. military forces on many occasions. It has involved both air space violations and alarmed responses, and has elicited the concern of some of the highest ranking military and intelligence officers in the country..

We have, for instance, a document from Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico from January 31, 1949, directed to the USAF Chief of Staff. There was a flurry of UFO activity going on in New Mexico at this time. The document in question described yet another of these sightings from the previous day, seen by about 30 people. The document states:

"Estimate at least 100 total sightings. AEC, AFSWP, 4th Army, local commanders perturbed by implications of phenomena.... All appear to be same object at different points in trajectory. Unless instructed to contrary this office will make all out investigation with view to location of impact point if any."

All those agencies "perturbed by implications of phenomena." Yes, indeed. I would be perturbed, too..

UFO Secrecy and the Death of the American Republic

Cheers.

Originally posted by starkite2003
VERY NICE!!! Thank you for the info and for the time to research it. I enjoy reading threads that are informative with no bickering... Nice job!!!!

You are most welcome starkite. It's always nice to hear and see when people 'get it'.

...and yes the lack of 'bickering' here is quite interesting isn't it.


Cheers!

reply to post by A51Watcher

07/08/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Air Enigma Baffles U.S. -The Army Air forces disclaimed any knowledge of where the flying saucers originate...

07/08/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - AAF, POLICE STAY MUM ON STORY DISC FOUND

07/08/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - TRUMAN HEARS 'FLIGHTY' TALE

07/08/47 - The New York Times - 'Disks' Soar Over New York, Now Seen Aloft in All colors

07/09/47 - ROSWELL DAILY RECORD -THE MANY RUMORS REGARDING THE FLYING DISC BECAME A REALITY YESTERDAY when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Airfield was fortunate enough to gain possesion of a disc

07/09/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Friends Back Disc Spotter in Portland -...started moving at a terrific speed

07/09/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Army Says New Mexico 'Disc' Wind Balloon -Reports Fewer

07/09/47 - The New York Times - 'Disk' Near bomb Test Site Is Just a Weather Balloon -`Flying Saucer' tales pour in from round the world

07/10/47 - OREGONIAN - Saucer story slows speed -The furore over flying saucers seems to have abated considerably...

07/10/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Flying Discs All But Gone, Few Reported

Anybody else think something was a little strange right around these dates? On 7/10, just a single day after the Roswell Daily Record headline saying one was recovered everything changes. The first day with few sightings and they are already "all but gone"?

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It is strange considering the Oregon Journal was reporting saucer sightings regularly before that date.

reply to post by spacevisitor


Subjects like this show us why the government uses ridicule and disinfomation to cloud the truth. Sure I'm know that all the sightings aren't unknown but there is too much evidence to the contrary that show someone or something is visiting us.

Originally posted by lme7898354
Subjects like this show us why the government uses ridicule and disinformation to cloud the truth. Sure I'm know that all the sightings aren't unknown but there is too much evidence to the contrary that show someone or something is visiting us.

Unfortunately, it is more complicated than that. The UFO story has been used as a counterintelligence tool and encouraged for various reasons, some sightings have been kept quiet, most are not even reported for fear of ridicule or people not knowing how to report them. Most sightings are misidentification of natural phenomena or aircraft. Noise to signal level is high.

Most of the government are ignorant of the situation and just don't want to play. The Air Force and military in general see the topic as a distraction in the main - bizarrely considering unknown objects are reportedly "seen by NORAD regularly. That said, some insiders have claimed that highly compartmentalised information has been kept from the public. The trouble is others have spread absolute rubbish so the noise to signal level is very high in this field.

Sorry for the thread hijack.... Guess what..stanton friedman spammed me..i sent him a email about my abduction, as it was during my phase where i wanted to tell my story, so he emailed me back with some tips on how to proceed. Then a couple years later, i got spammed from his email.....just a anecdote...proceed with thread
Awesome input on the pre roswell, time for a prequil movie

Article reporting on the 1947 wave stating that fighter planes with telescopic cameras were being kept ready to take off and pursue (and presumably photograph) 'flying saucers'.

“FLYING SAUCER SCARE IN U.S.”, 7 July 1947

Six Oregon National Guard fighter planes, equipped with gun and tele-scopic cameras are being kept ready to take off after any flying saucers. The Army last night announced that it had a fighter plane standing by at Muroc airbase, California, to join in the chase..

News Archive

The ship was crashed on purpose. It was to get our government's attention because the Greys aren't going to wait any longer for an answer from us.

Raw data from U.S. Government UFO Report into UFO sightings 1943 - 1950 (pdf file):

AFOSI Summary of Sightings of Unknown Aerial Phenomena

reply to post by karl 12


Interesting. 207 sightings recorded between July 27, 1948 and May 1, 1950.
But the 1943 sighting is reported as “point of impact” between Brest and Kiev?
Isn’t that France and Russia?
How does that work? It descended and then bounced after hitting the ground?

Originally posted by A51Watcher

Think you've ever taken grief for talking about UFO's?... Try this on for size:


June 27 1947 - SPOKANE DAILY CHRONICLE (Washington)


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"There's the man who saw the men from Mars!"

Poor old Kenneth Arnold.

Here he is talking about his sighting 30 years later.

The man responsible for the term "flying saucer", talks on his UFO encounter on 24th June, 1947

Cheers.

1947 article where General Nathan Twining denies that flying discs are U.S. experiments - also mentioned are the camera equipped air squadrons patrolling for the objects.

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Another article (1948) stating that American troops stationed in Europe have been ordered to watch out for the objects.

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The evening before the Roswell "discovery", there was a meeting at While Sands. July 8th.

McArthur was there.

The result was the crash of 2 out of 4 ships. One at Roswell, and one at Archuletta Flats.

The Archuletta Flats crash was at a small farm and did not receive the press the Roswell site got.

THAT family was tortured, threatened and punished.

You could find that story on the net in 96. Forget it now.

The other 2 ships fell off the radar at approximately the Dulce area.

Some good newspaper articles collated by Patrick Gross from Ufologie - one of the sections is from 1940 to 1949 but the majority of the articles are taken from 1947:

UFOs in the daily Press:

The UFO phenomenon in the newspapers, a collection of newspaper articles reporting UFO observations or UFO related information, by local and national newspapers from all countries. These articles are linked from their respective dossier on this site. This page is to answer the claim "if UFOs existed, they would be in the newspaper."

Years 1940 to 1949

Originally posted by lme7898354
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Subjects like this show us why the government uses ridicule and disinfomation to cloud the truth. Sure I'm know that all the sightings aren't unknown but there is too much evidence to the contrary that show someone or something is visiting us.

And here we are 65 years later, and -still- no country has displayed technology like this that were recorded doing 12,000 mph and instantaneous 90 degree turns.

And so, in 1947, whose could they have been?

reply to post by A51Watcher


A51Watcher, very good question mate - some 1947 sightings in this article have already been discussed but there are some interesting ones in there.

Local UFOs sighted

The week flying saucers came to the Inland Valley

Think the Inland Valley is the last place a flying saucer would visit?
Then consider the July 6, 1947, experience of the R.V. Allen family of Riverside Drive in Ontario:

"The rancher said that while he and Mrs. Allen and their daughter Dolores were seated in their motor car about 9:30 p.m., they saw a whole `school' of the strange discs overhead from south to north and insisted that they `played about in the air just as perch do in the water,"' wrote the Ontario Daily Report the next day.

Not convinced?

How about B.A. Runner who saw - and heard - some strange things that same night on West California Street?

"Runner reported that several of the discs sailed over his house about 8 p.m., circled about and returned, one of them flying so low that the sound of an attached motor could be distinctly heard," wrote the newspaper.

And this was the day BEFORE the startling announcement in Roswell, N.M., of the recovery of a "flying disc" by the Army. That disclosure (which was quickly refuted by military officials) has helped spawn decades of UFO sightings, invaders-from-Mars movies and conspiracy theorists.

Whether you believe in UFOs or not, it was obvious people locally - fueled by fear or wonder or too many stimulants - saw something up there.

On July 8, a "spinning platter" was said to have crashed into an almond grove near Lancaster. Redlands truck driver H.J. Stell reported "silvery eggs in a straight line" flew over March Field near Riverside.

Jerry McAdams saw a disc as "big as a house" in Beverly Hills: "It seemed to give off a low whistle as it disappeared."

On the morning of July 10, Pomona residents on West 10th Street told the Pomona Progress-Bulletin they saw three tumbling objects in the air, each sparkling as the sun reflected off them.

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Cheers.

Roswell wasn't really the end of that UFO "flap". Instead though, the event marked a drastic change in the way the military then handled the subject and how it was reported. Indeed, it is either really coincidental timing, or the reason for, creating a Central Intelligence Agency to funnel info. Right after Roswell, we see the National Security Act. Project Sign son followed, Grudge, then Blue Book.

My theory is that Roswell scared the crap out of the military. They almost let the cat out of the bag, so had to create a protocol for dealing with it. We mustn't forget, they actually GOT AWAY WITH IT for decades. Wasn't until the 70's that another explanation for Roswell came out. Until then, the weather balloon story was the solution everyone bought.