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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Pimander

Do you ever get the feeling that it's quieter than it should be? I keep seeing grand claims to know the truth but nobody wants to play when it comes to robustly defending their "truth".



Indeed. For such normally prolific posters, knowers and explainers of all, the cat certainly seems to have their tongue.



At least we get absolute gems like chimps with extra large heads and no hair?! Are we sure they weren't radio controlled Nazi chimp crash test dummies?


Priceless.




posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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-Unusual- Movements!

Now that we have seen that the amazing speeds reported and recorded ranged from 1000 to 15,000 MPH, we can see that Kenneth Arnold's report of 1200 MPH is not that incredible by comparison to the other sightings, even though it was twice the speed of our fastest jets of the day.

What was also incredible, was not only the speed of these craft, but also the -highly- unusual movements.


Here then are some of the various movements they executed while moving at these amazing speeds:

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May 19 1947 - ...they were spinning on their axis with a circular rim around their lower quarter as they silently moved by in less than twenty seconds at great speed.

(four discs) Beaufort, South Carolina - 11:00 A.M. EST (8:00amPST)

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May 19 - ...It flew around the area for over twenty minutes making erratic aerial maneuvers that no aircraft they knew of could undertake;

--silver-colored object one thousand feet approaching rapidly from the northeast.
--stopped almost directly overhead.
--watched it perform wild gyrations for several minutes...“began to move erratically in
wide circles
. All this time it reflected light, like metal, but intermittently, as though the angle of reflection might be changing from time to time.”
--For twenty minutes watched it climb, dive, reverse its flight course
--finally moving off into the wind westerly.

(shiny metal-like craft) Manitou Springs, Colorado - 12:15 P.M. MST (11:15amPST)

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June 12 1947 - ...The disc zig- zagged to the southwest.

(bright metallic ovoid object) Weiser, Idaho - 6:15 P.M. MST

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June 14 - ...ten round objects or "saucers" fly over in a loose "V" formation with one straggling in the rear."



They were heading north, but seven of the discs then reversed direction and came back over them toward the south.

(350 mph) Bakersfield, California - 12:00 P.M. PST

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June 17 - ...seen hovering in the sky for a period of three hours over Bremerton from late in the afternoon until evening.

The objects wavered as they flew, and shot off at extreme speeds toward the west.



(Three platter-shaped discs) Bremerton, Washington - Late afternoon PST

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June 21 - ...descending with a "dead leaf motion"



(eight discs "the size of a house" flying at 600 mph) Saint Joe River, Idaho - 11:55 A.M. MST

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June 22 - ...speeding southeast ...disks dipping and flashing in the sun.



("flying disks, larger than a plane") Portland, Oregon - 4 P.M. PST

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June 23 - ...hovered for several minutes ...and then zoomed away.

(a large shiny silver ball) Clayton, Georgia

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June 23 - ...flying an uneven course in the sky, and weaving in an out of view."

("strange saucer-like" object) Wapakoneta, Ohio - 9:30 p.m. EST (6:30pmPST)

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June 24 - "weaving and circling very rapidly in formation. . .and after a while they dispersed in all directions."

(a group of round, shiny objects) Boise, Idaho

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June 24 - "going faster than any planes I ever saw” in a stretched out line formation at about 4,000 feet flying north to south.

"I could see no connecting link between them, but they acted as though the leading disc had a motor in it to power the others, because when it flipped, the others would, too. When it would right itself, the others would right themselves
."

(peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects) Joliet, Illinois 1:50 P.M. CST

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June 24 - Arnold said the objects weaved from side to side "like the tail of a Chinese kite", darting through the valleys and around the smaller mountain peaks. They would occasionally flip or bank on their edges in unison as they turned or maneuvered causing almost blindingly bright or mirror-like flashes of light.


Mt. Ranier, Washington - 2:59 P.M. PST




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June 24 - they flew off faster than anything he had seen before, and resembled no object he had been witness to in his 40 years of prospecting.

He noticed that his compass began spinning when the discs passed over.

His watch also stopped running
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(five or six discs flying silently) Hood River, Oregon - 3:00 P.M. PST

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June 25 - ...object approaching at a high rate of speed, and descending rapidly toward the observers' car. It swooped down to 500 feet above the car.

Following this object was another similar one, approaching on the same course. "As the first one approached, we could see it revolving at tremendous speed on its axis, even faster than its forward flight."

As it reached a point just above and ahead of the car, "it suddenly veered off sharply to the right, and at the same time its companion did likewise."

The objects then disappeared to the south in a matter of seconds
.

(a strange oval-shaped object) Pueblo, Colorado

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June 27 - ...estimated that they were going about two times as fast as an ordinary airliner, "maybe 600 miles an hour.

..."they were bunched... The peculiar thing was the way they moved along -- tilting back and forth, tipping up and down, undulating --and every time they reached the right reflection angle the flashes came,"



-said it was difficult to distinguish the shapes because the objects were "very bright, reflecting the sun like from metal -- not glass mirrors."

-the objects were "very flat, very very thin, particularly when you saw them on edge as they were banking."

-"There wasn't a sound, not a trace of a vapor trail -- just these things sailing along."

-"I am not too excitable and I have good eyesight, and I know what I saw this afternoon," he told the Journal.

"They came over the hill back of us here from the north, and were following straight along the Pacific Highway. Just south of here they veered sharply to the southeast
."

(two groups of loosely-bunched objects rocking back and forth flew over noiselessly, his eye was caught by a bright flash) Woodland, Washington - Afternoon

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June 28 - ...It approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed.
In five minutes the light had approached to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south
.

... they heard no noise.

(a strangely maneuvering light over the base) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)

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June 29 - ...whirling through the unclouded sky."

John Kauke was driving and became so overwhelmed by the sight that he stopped the car.

Dr. Zohn, a well-known rocket expert, stated that the object did not look like any rocket he had ever seen and that it could not have been a balloon
.

("a silvery disc" ) White Sands, New Mexico - 1:30 P.M. MST (12:30pmPST)
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July 1 - silently tipping from side to side as they moved along the course of the Columbia river.



(Three discs, then another 10-12 of the mystery craft showed up) Astoria, Madras and Portland, Oregon - 11:45 A.M. PST

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July 1 - ..."following a zig—zag path in the northwestern sky ...for about 30 seconds. "

(a "disc-like", bluish object) Albuquerque, New Mexico - night MST

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JulY 1 - ...speed in excess of 500 mph. This target split into two targets, reversed course, broke up into two responses, each estimated to be larger than a P-51, then merged back together again into one large response.

(GCA radar unidentified target, Chitose Army Air Base - Hokkaido, Japan

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July 1 - They flew first toward the south, then turned to the east, and finally flew off to the west.

A blue disc was also seen zig—zagging in the northwestern sky.

(thirteen silver disc—shaped objects) Albuquerque, New Mexico - 11:00 P.M. MST - (10:00pmPST)

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July 2 - ...whirling over Lewiston. At times they dipped and rolled.




(four white and shiny flying saucers) Lewiston, Idaho - Day

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July 3 - ...maneuver wildly in the clouds.

(eight disc-shaped objects) Conowingo Dam, Pennsylvania - 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. EST (6:00to7:00amPST)

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July 3 - ..."flow over onto its edge" as it flew by in the course of ten to fifteen seconds.

(a glowing round object) Monterey, California - 7:45 A.M. PST

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July 3 - ...zoom by at several thousand feet and make a forty-five degree turn before vanishing toward the southwest.

(a shiny, mirror-like disc) Denver, Colorado - 8:55 A.M. MST (7:55amPST)

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July 3 - ...maneuver in circular movements...

(several discs) Walkerton, Indiana - Afternoon EST

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July 3 - ...sped over Nampa with an undulating motion



(A circular object) Nampa, Idaho - 12:00 P.M. MST (11:00amPST)

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July 3 - ...approached very fast and soon became silhouetted against a nearby mountainside ..."suddenly they stopped in mid-air, then started again.

When they reached a point over a clearing in the timber, they stopped again and settled down a few at a time until they were out of sight.

Over a half dozen neighbors also witnessed this sight.

(Eight luminous discs) St. Maries, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. PST

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July 3 - ...make controlled changes in their flight and circle near the San Diego Naval Air Station.

(three discs) San Diego, California - Late afternoon PST

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July 4 - ...zoom northeast with a "turning motion."

(a "flying disc") Richland, Washington (Richland AEC plant)

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July 4 - ...fly through broken cloud layers ...maneuvering in an erratic manner.

(a group of star-like objects) Bartlesville, Oklahoma Early morning CST

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July 4 - "...were operated and maneuverable devices" ..."They plainly experienced maneuvers in the sky..."

...At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc

...convinced that the discs were operated either "by some human or remote control."

(formation of twelve discs) Portland, OR - 1:00 P.M. PST

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July 4 - for 30-90 seconds moving at high speed with oscillating or wobbling motion, sudden 90° turns or zigzagging.

(5 large discs) Portland and Milwaukee, Oregon, and Vancouver, Washington 1:05 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...an object like "a new dime flipping over".



Sandy District - Portland, Oregon - 4:30 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...could change at a 90°angle without difficulty... terrific speed.
...would oscillate and sometimes we would see a full disk , then a half—moon shape, then nothing at all."

(disks) Portland, Oregon - 1:06 P.M. PST

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July 4 - "flying at terrific speed in a straight—line formation ...zig-zagged and made turns so sharp that he knew they could not be aircraft

... The last disc "fluttered rapidly to the side in an arc"
.

(six or seven "flat, round discs.") Portland, Oregon - 1:10 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...going at "terrific speed" ...It passed under the sun and, without decelerating, made an abrupt 90° turn "with no difficulty" and proceeded toward the southwest.

Because of its strange behavior, Patterson, a former Army Air Corps pilot, was of the opinion that the object could not have been a plane.

(a single disc) Portland, Oregon 1:10 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...traveling very fast ...the objects wobbled and oscillated as they flew with turning and weaving motions.
("three to six flashing discs shaped like chromium hub—caps face—to—face, shining and flashing in the sun") Portland, Oregon

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July 4 - The pilot said the object was "remarkably white" and moved at a uniform altitude with a kind of "wavering" flight pattern.

(a "disc—like" object) Moscow, Idaho - 10:30 A.M. PST

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July 4 - "It would fly in a circle for about five minutes,then shoot off a mile to the south, tear back again, stand still for a half a minute, and then start circling again."

..the object repeated this maneuver three times before it finally disappeared to the south in a straight course, "going very fast."


(a "round and bright," strangely maneuvering object) Madison, Wisconsin - 9:30 P.M. CST (7:30pmPST)

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July 4 - ...startled to see a group of objects fly overhead in an extended V—formation.

The formation disappeared quickly in a northerly direction at a high rate of speed. The objects were out of sight before the Walgrens could even get to their feet.

The witnesses described the formation of discs as giving the appearance of a "rippling, V—shaped cloud."

The undersides of the objects appeared to reflect the city lights. As they passed over, the Walgren's described hearing "a hollow, rustling sound, like an air blast in an empty barrel."

(discs) Denver, Colorado - Late evening MST

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July 4 - ...descend vertically, then make a 90° turn and proceed horizontally flying toward the south. One of the witnesses in the Lake City area took a photograph.



(round white object) Greenwood Lake, Washington - 5:30 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...fly southward, halt abruptly, and then reversing its course almost instantaneously, and moved back north retracing its course. The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds.

(a silvery object) Albany, Oregon

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July 5 - ...turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company ...It then turned again in an opposite direction.

(a "shooting star") Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST (6:45pmPST)

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July 5 - ..."one over—lapped the other and traveled in the opposite circular directions."

(two discs) Norwalk, Ohio - Night

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July 5 - ...fluttering as they flew toward the east ...an independent witness, also saw the same three fluttering objects disappear over the horizon. Both witnesses called the police.

(six silvery objects) Anaconda, Montana - 3:00 P.M. MST (2:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving very fast and in formation.

(several whirling disks) Birmingham, Alabama - between 8:00 P.M. and 9:00 P.M. CST - (6-7:00pmP)

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July 6 - ...as it moved along, "it had a dipping motion," adding that "we heard a steady hum, which was not the kind of sound that an airplane makes."



(a disc-like object) San Rafael, California - 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 6 -...it flew south, occasionally "jumping sideways"...

(Flying Saucer) Ashland, Oregon - 6:40 AM PST

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July 6 - ...tumbling objects traveling very high in the air and at a very fast rate of speed."



("looked like pie pans") Clearwater, Florida - 3:00 P.M. EST (12:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving erratically through the sky ..."diving in a fluttery fashion, like pursuit planes." ...estimated speed of 400 miles an hour.

(two shiny objects "resembled chrome plates" "They were not planes,")Elizabeth, New Jersey - 5:15 P.M. EST (2:15pmPST)

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July 6 - ...shooting toward Mount Diablo ...flying rapidly ...in view for about 30 seconds before it vanished over the southern horizon.

(circular disc-shaped object ..."It revolved in a counter-clockwise direction, as we viewed it" ...it was moving "faster than jet planes.") Pittsburg, California - 8:20 A.M. PST

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July 6 - ...came flying at their airplane this afternoon, one-by-one, for 15 minutes.

(nine metallic, revolving objects) Kansas-Colorado border - Afternoon

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July 6 - ...wavered and flipped across the sky.

(twelve shiny metallic discs) Richmond, Virginia At 6:00 P.M. EST (3:00pmPST)

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July 7 - ...appeared to be tumbling over and over, alternately showing a dark and a bright side.



It was unlike any plane he had seen as a former Naval aviator.

(a round object) Sacramento, California

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July 7 - ...passing overhead appeared to be flying at a speed of 600 to 700 miles an hour, at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet.

The disc was flying on edge, like a wheel, at right angles to the surface of the earth, and its large, circular surface gave off an extremely bright light, comparable in color to the light of an arc welder's torch;

It also reminded the witness of a brightly faceted stone, such as a diamond seen under a brilliant light.

The object seemed to be following the contours of the terrain below it, dipping or bobbing up and down in an irregular pattern as it passed over small hills and mountains 500 to 1,000 feet high.

It was in view approximately 60 to 70 seconds.

(a disc-shaped object) - Medford, Oregon 5:20 P.M. PST

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July 7 - ...traveling at 200 to 225 miles per hour at 10,000 feet. It headed east with an oscillating motion.



(one yellowish-white spherical object) Muroc Air Base, California

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July 7 - flying 1,440 miles an hour ..."seemed to be spinning as it flew."

(a disc ..."I think it was about 18 feet in diameter") San Antonio, Texas - 4:30 P.M. CST (2:30pmPST)

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July 7 - ...pass rapidly overhead ...had a slight side-to-side motion as they traveled approximately 200 to 300 feet above the ground ...as they passed overhead, he heard "a zipping noise."

He estimated their speed at 500 miles an hour, and they quickly "lost themselves in the distance."

(a triangular formation of three discs) Greensboro, North Carolina - 6:30 A.M. EST

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July 8 - "...seemed to be jiggling and darting about", ..."the flashes were awfully bright and were obviously from a metallic object."

(Discs) Roseburg, Oregon - 2:00 P.M. PST

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July 8 - ...saw one of the discs break loose from the formation and appear to be "rolling through the air" like a wheel.

(a loose formation of discs) Spokane, Washington

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July 8 - "silvery colored, like aluminum, with no wings or tail, sort of round or oblong-shaped, and moving both slow and fast."

The object was "very high," and moving westward toward Honolulu in "alternating bursts of speed" and in a "slow, zigzagging" flight path.

Honolulu, Hawaii - 5:30 P.M. HST

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July 8 - ...hover there for minutes before resuming formation and sweeping back to the west.

(two groups of discs) Denver, Colorado - mid-morning until noon

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July 8 - ..."swooped" out of the area of the sun at "terrific speed and altitude" and then flew back toward the vicinity of the sun.

(several formations of discs) Denver, Colorado

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July 8 - ...appeared to "dance in the sky, moving backward and forward and at times rising and falling."

(several discs) Denver, Colorado

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July 8 - ...spinning while "standing still" in one spot, before it suddenly took off at a rapid speed."

(a round object) Chicago, Illinois 9:05 a.m. CDT

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July 8 - ...moving against the prevailing wind at a speed estimated to be 300 miles an hour, in straight, level flight. They appeared to be about 8,000 feet high, when a third object appeared—heading in the same direction but making several tight circles.

McHenry told intelligence officers that no aircraft he knew of could have performed such sharp maneuvers.

(two silver disc or sphere-shaped objects) Muroc Army Air Base, California - 9:30 A.M. PST

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July 9 - It appeared to be spinning, and it possibly landed remotely.

(A one-meter diameter disc) Llano, Texas - 8:00 P.M. CST (6:00pmPST)

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July 9 - ...in the northern sky for several minutes before it fluttered out of sight ...appeared to fall toward the earth, then fluttered, and rose.

(a flying disc) Saanich, Vancouver Island, British Columbia - 10 a.m.

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July 9 - "The 'saucers' sped across the heavens in a dipping and undulating motion and must have had terrific speed."

(four large light objects "Big as houses") Honeymoon Bay, British Columbia. 6:20 pm

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July 9 - ...spinning in the sky ...One of the discs left the group and appeared to land on the bank of the Spokane River.

(a group of three disc-shaped objects) Spokane, Washington 6:15 P.M. PST

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July 10 - ...it moved with a fast but "funny" motion.

(an "aluminum type of thing,") Salt Lake City, Utah 8:30 P.M.

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July 11 - ...go over at high speed with a spinning or rotating motion.

The craft passed without a sound in a matter of just five seconds.

(a disc-shaped object) Yuma, Arizona - 2:30 A.M. MST (1:30amPST)

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July 12 - ..."they left us as if we were standing still ...They were closely spaced.

They fluttered as a group for a second or two and then stabilized for a second or two, alternately between these two modes
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("six or eight silver-white objects, oval top and bottom, much like two saucers face to face) Utah Lake, Utah: 2:30 P.M. PST

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July 12 - ...going north very fast and very high ...appeared to be "swerving a little, back and forth, and up and down."

(three disc-like objects "silvery and flashing in the sun,") Sand Point Naval Air Station, Seattle, Washington - 6:35 P.M. PST

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July 13 - flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion"



(A round object) Wingville, Oregon 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 15 - ...they yawed along in a sort of see-saw manner, flying at three different levels, and about 200 feet apart."

Their speed was "far in excess of 200 miles an hour.

(from a dozen to fifteen oval-shape objects ...being very white on top and when they flipped he was able to see they were grey and black underneath.) Concord, California 12:15 P.M. PST

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July 20 - ...swing back and forth in a pendulum motion...

(a UFO) Idaho Falls, Idaho 2:30 A.M. PST

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July 28 - ...going toward the northwest at very high speed ...it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" and "going like hell when it disappeared."

Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.

(a bizarre object "as silhouetted against a bright western sky", about the size of their own aircraft and about 40 miles distant) Between Mountain Home and Boise, Idaho 8:34 P.M. MST

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July 29 - ...flew three to four times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight, The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."

One object flew straight and level, a second object then appeared, flying a left to right "protective" maneuver from side-to-side like an escort fighter over the first craft.



Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."

(two round, shiny white objects with estimated 15-25 foot diameters) Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT

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Aug 14 - ...traveling at a speed twice that of a jet fighter plane, passed over them on a zig-zag course in a westerly direction at an approximate altitude of twelve hundred feet.

(FLYING OBJECTS) Harmon Field, Guam

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August 17 - ...drop straight out of sky heading toward the northeast at a tipped angle.

It righted itself, floated slowly as if "suspended on cord" for several minutes, then shot off to the southeast at great speed
.

(a disc-shaped object) Mt. Josephine, Washington

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August 20 - ...travelling at a great speed, twisting and turning above and below each other as they passed over.

(approximately twenty flying saucers) Coulter Bay, Cortez Island, British Columbia - 8:30 A.M.

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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Is it at all possible that Kenneth Arnold witnessed these?

The Horten Ho 229 (the Flying Wing)







The US captured one along along with its specs after the War and it's very possible they built and tested of few of them... These were designed to fly at speeds of up to 1000 km/h. Pretty fast for those days

It's also said that the USSR had built flying wings based off the same German concepts and technology.

Maybe Arnold actually witnessed these. Black Project perhaps?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Actually.... NO.

He saw round silver saucers with the exception of one "heel- shaped" one (he suddenly "remembered" the heel- shaped one weeks later during questioning by AAF officers when shown the Rhodes photo).

That misconception has been covered in detail here:

link - Kenneth Arnold's erroneously reported sighting: The origin of flying saucer reports?



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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Yes, your image of Kenneth Arnold's letter to the USAF on page 2 of that thread clears that up, showing that he saw eight discs and one batarang. Larry King had some woman psychologist on strongly making that false claim about Arnold's sighting and that it got people imagining saucers. Arnold himself sounded pretty angry about nondisclosure on UFO Hunters.

And although there are so many hoaxed photo it's nearly impossible to pick out any that are likely to be genuine, these two are at least from official sources, hopefully giving them some measure of reliability:

Levittown, Puerto Rico police polaroid of object overhead,1980
www.ufoevidence.org...

Old Navy report to USAF with poor photo attached
i299.photobucket.com...

Both have been posted on ATS by others.



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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Oh and a postscript for the Unusual Movements, just to be thorough -


July 4 1947 - Seattle, Washington

I happened to look up and saw a bright, oval-shaped object coming down from the upper atmosphere.

There was no sound of motors. The object had no wings.

The object made a very sharp almost 90-degree turn to the horizontal and then sped south along Puget Sound at high speed and towards Mt. St. Helens.






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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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I find it very amusing that our own SkepticOverlord had a sighting -very- much like the one described above, just last winter.


He even created an animation and thread to describe it. (too bad it didn't happen in the middle of a rash of flying saucer sightings like these so he could know what it was!
)

He mentioned the reason he created an animation is because mere words did not do it justice. That's funny... that's the same reason I created an animation for my first UFO sighting.





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posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Thanks for continuing to bring this information to light.
I have read Lt Corso's book and found it fascinating.
I enjoy the "Foreign Technology Office" joke...
I wonder how many Chinese lanterns they have back engineered nowadays?



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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If one takes the time...they can find statements made by General Eisenhour prior to his election to President....that document his own encounters and statements about E.T. craft. Once he became President...he quickly formed a comittee...which then became an agency....which delt with all that is E.T.

Eisenhour loathed Truman and had made many attempts to get Truman to form this agency prior to his election. Back then...there was not a clear methodology used in any UFO coverup or recovery. There is much to read.
Split Infinity



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 01:45 AM
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A51Watcher could be just speculating or even lying. He was claiming how he knows someone that also confirms there have been alien bodies. Yet this could be disinfo, or just a very good mind game like this: someone decided to claim he knows Castello, showed never existing pictures he claimed are Dulce, was very convincing but his pics got busted and he confessed he's a hoaxer. And then he still lcontinued to claim the pics are hoax but he is telling truth when he wasn't, and some silly people still believed him.

I stand in the position that the Earth needs to dispose of trash and hoaxers of this magnitude should be part of it. You'd better not be another one, A51Watcher.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor
I stand in the position that the Earth needs to dispose of trash and hoaxers of this magnitude should be part of it. You'd better not be another one, A51Watcher.

I think you need to explain your ad hominem.

Definition of AD HOMINEM
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Source: www.merriam-webster.com...

What is the basis of your belief that A51Watcher is a "hoaxer"?

Are you trying to defame a members character which is not allowed on ATS (see T&C). If you have no evidence that what is presented is not true, I suggest you admit that is so. If you don't respond to this post I think we can allow the readers to draw the conclusion that you have none.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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What is not allowed on the forum is attacking a member and more specifically personal insults which is a common rule on forums. That does not include attacking the person's thoughts or beliefs or claims due to doubting. This is done all the time and what debating means.

There were things like he knew Phil Schneider or some video I have watched on YouTube with Schneider, it turned out he's not the one who's been with Schneider. OR

If he's not lying on purpose, he could very much be presenting theories of his that do not lead to anything more plausible about Rosewell

The link I posted is a perfect example of how someone can sound very credible yet be a hoaxer. Follow it if you dont believe even the most serious person may be a hoaxer.
edit on 19-9-2011 by Imtor because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor
There were things like he knew Phil Schneider or some video I have watched on YouTube with Schneider, it turned out he's not the one who's been with Schneider.
You are deliberately trying to twist the facts. You asked about a video and the mistake was yours. There was no claim that A51Watcher was the guy in the video.

Originally posted by A51Watcher

1) So A51Watcher you have been with Phil Schneider? I watched the video on your YouTube profile and frankly. Ive never seen Schneider anywhere else on other than the lectures he gives. In your video on YT Phil Schiender was with you apparently near Area 51 in 1989.


1) No. You incorrectly assume that I am Ron Rummel.

Google will help you discover that Ron is dead.
Looks clear enough to me.

A51Watcher has claimed in another thread to have spoken to Schneider. That is hardly far fetched if you knew who he really was. Anybody on the UFO scene in those days would have likely met Schneider. You know that don't you? If you spoke/messaged A51Watcher he would likely have put your mind at rest. However, there is little to no chance of you getting a reply because....

Originally posted by A51Watcher

Would YOU want End of the World?, page 3

Imtor posted on 8-7-2011 @ 06:57 AM

I am FOR depopulation of the rubbish on our planet, not all human beings. I think human rights need be for those who are really good in nature and will not do crimes, corruption, lies, greed all negative.

*snip* [edit by Pimander]

Then get rid of the useless minorities like gipsies who don't want to work when given the opportunity and whose only way of living is stealing.
Source

I am sorry but creatures that say such things do not deserve the time of day.
I am surprised you were allowed to post such racist, sickening and unholesome tripe.


Originally posted by Imtor
If he's not lying on purpose, he could very much be presenting theories of his that do not lead to anything more plausible about Rosewell
The material in this thread certainly makes the proposition that "Rosewell"
could be plausible (if you mean by that ET/extradimensional/time travellers or whatever).

If you have no evidence that A51 is lying then it is defamatory to say so and you need to give up on this. It makes you look even more twisted, if that is possible after the quote above and the following one.


Originally posted by Imtor
I stand in the position that the Earth needs to dispose of trash and hoaxers of this magnitude should be part of it. You'd better not be another one, A51Watcher.
I strongly suggest you be careful what you say in future. That looks perilously close to a threat.





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