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Why 'The Professional Left' Hates the Tea Party

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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I never said you did, let me clarify I said the TP spends so much time talking about Obama and his socialist polices So I will take the word hate out of it. I would like the TP to be a valid group and yes a lot of people were responsible for the patriot act, But be honest what would the TP be saying about Obama if he was the one who stated the patriot act,

But my point is this the TP is focused on the wrong thing, Like I said the Fed and the Banks are the main perpetrators of this huge economic down turn, I think you would agree with that. Now the patriot act is the biggest socialist thing that ever happened to the American people. I don't care who wrote it.

So if the TP is suppose to be about free market, why do they neglect these things. I don't want to fight or argue just tell me why they never bring this up.. I think everybody here would like to know. Especially when they talk about Jefferson so much, we all know what he would be doing about the Fed right now...




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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I don't know what medium you've been listening to, to form such an opinion. We have been critical of Bush, republican incumbants, as well as the current administration for their complete lack of regard for the financial mess that we're in.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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I cannot help myself. It is a sickness. I do not understand this logic of bashing the MSM but not FOX...


Where did I ever give FOX a "Get Out of Jail Free Card"?

The Whole lot of them are propaganda tools used to set up "Let's You and He fight/ Divide and Conquer"

Ask the Farmers.

NOT one major news outlet would carry ANY story against the USDA/FDA Corporate Ag food supply take over that masqueraded as a "Food Safety" issue.

John Munsell TOLD me a well known New York Magazine reporter spent three days interviewing him. The editor approved the story and at the last minute the OWNER squashed it.

This is not some minor story. It is a major story that ended up with Munsell later testify in a government hearing.

You can read the story here:
motherjones.com...
or
www.nader.org.../archives/158-USDA-vs-John-Munsell.html

Here is the story from the Lawyer a frantic John contacted. One E. coli O157:H7 Outbreak I Think I could have Prevented ...



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Ya I heard a lot from the TP about stop the bailouts stop the spending. But you have to agree with me there main focus is on stop Obama care, There even thinking about a nation wide strike if the healthcare law goes through. I just wonder why there not going after the Fed or the Banks with the same determination that there going after health care.. Do you think they understand that the Fed and The banks if they continue on there present course we won't have Country to have healthcare in!!!

Let me give you a link.. teapartypatriots.ning.com... You will see out of pages and pages and links not one thing mentions the Patriot Act or the Fed.. How can they be taken seriously when its hardly mentioned.. You have to understand these are the BIGGEST socialist things taking place right now. Nothing else comes close, Don't you think that's odd they don't bring it up ?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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I get such a big kick out of "everyone" else telling me what the Tea Party is about....


I am just addressing "The Professional Left" part of the thread. I am not a member and therefore can not speak for the group. Although the Tea party members I met at the feed store a month ago had a rousing anti-Federal Reserve discussion that ended up drawing in everyone at the store.

I was amazed at the number of people who understood what was going on. Especially since these were the classic "country hill billies" the left holds in such contempt.


If you live in the south for more than a month with the "ignorant country hill billy" misconception you will lose your shirt to a slow talking hick, probably one with a college education. Although one of the smartest guys I met never made it passed fourth grade.

(In case you are wondering I have lived in over forty places and not all were in the USA)



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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I am an unprofessional leftist. Though on some issues I have right leaning inclinations such as on crime, gun control and the death penalty.

All we want is not to have human beings anywhere starving to death or deprived of food; you know like children in the riches country in the world here who go to bed hungry. And if the children go to bed hungry then one can bet the adults also go to bed hungry.


We live in the world's wealthiest nation. Yet 13 percent of people living in the United States live in poverty. Nearly one in four children live in households that struggle to put food on the table. That's 16.7 million children.
American Poverty

We want the opportunity for good jobs for all where a person can have the probability of a middle class life at least.

Good education for all where the college loan doesn’t have one spending their entire adult life paying the loan back.

We want universal affordable health care FOR ALL

We want justice for all where minorities, woman and children the disabled and other “outcasts” get a fair deal and aren’t discriminated against.

Want to stop wars so our children and all children across the world don’t have to kill each other usually so some rich guy can have a bigger golf course.

With the blessings of modern technology and the advances of science how can we justify leaving poor people and those who have been unlucky in life behind in poverty and misery and at the same time there is more wealth in this world than all the wealth of history combined!

This is not complicated or nuclear physics it’s just based on my belief that we as human beings should help each other and look after each other based on the universal principle of love, generosity and humanity

This doesn’t include hatred for the Tea Party but I think their basis of belief is very selfish and borders on the anti-human.

I believe our forefathers who founded this country wanted what the progressive ideals call for all people in the country as the constitution says in the preamble regarding Justice, Freedom and the general Welfare. I end with the words of this great document that all Americans, and indeed all people of good will should be proud of:


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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I know I live in the Mountains in Colorado, It surprises me how much people care and there really hurting right now to.. I hope we get a remedy to all this ..



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Thanks for the link.
Sigh
Where to start. There are so many issues that are wrong nowadays that a Tea Party meeting is similar to ATS "recent posts" page. There are so many issues that we can be focused on.
Bush free pharma hand-out
Bush TARP
Raising the debt ceiling
The Fed.
Obamacare
Patriot Act

This is why I, and by extension, my group focuses on personal responsibility.
In encompasses;
Healthcare
Social security
Jobs

And we also focus on smaller government. But, while we try to address all these issues, we can only focus on one at a time.

Heck, half our time is wasted defending ourselves from outlandish attacks!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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they will simply see you as "an agent" of the left. frankly, i don't think most of them have ever listened to a true left-wing american...




OH that is SOOooo Rich!

Dude I lived in Cambridge MA in the middle of the Combat Zone no less.

My spouse and I were part time street musicians with a card carrying Communist- Atheist Orthodox Jew who was a register Republican. (He did that so there were enough republicans to work the voting polls.)

I have had Left wingers tell me "We are going to KILL people like you when we take over this country" for wearing a tee shirt they did not like. I have been working for the last several years with a very left wing College prof. to set up an Urban Community Garden and on other projects. I have written or researched articles for the Grist, OpEdNews and Change.Org

Do not tell me I have never listened to left wingers, my best friend for the past 30 years, who just died was a flaming far left winger and the two of us pal around with a far right wing Religious Conspiracy Nut. Why the heck do you think I ended up a Centralist, shear self-defense


jeez...ok...ok...as i said in my post.."MOST" people haven't heard...but,...lol...your right about cambridge, Ma.
but, if you take in the whole country, Mass. is like an island in the pacific ocean. come out here to central california and you would have thought that Karl Marx was elected president, by listening to the local crowd.
and...sadly...i have met a couple (not many) of those people you are talking about, and they are as flaky as the right-wingers.
hey...here's an idea...lets take the extremes of both sides and ship them all to guam
that way they can let the rest of us live in peace.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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What I don't understand about the Tea party is they seem to be so focused on hating Obama that they completely miss the other things that's taking place right under there nose..


Not a TP member

If I were to list the stuff we have to do something about ASAP it would be.
#1 The Federal Reserve. We HAVE to get rid of these vampires before they finish killing us.
#2 The Food Safety Act that strangles food production in red tape.
#3 Obamacare specifically the changes to the 1099 tax code that will strangle small business in red tape.
#4 Get out of the World Trade Organization and NAFTA.

If we do not address those four we are going to see food riots within the decade. I put The Patriot Act as # 5 because although it is horrible it is not the Economic suicide the other four are.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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rancher, many in the TP do say things about the PA. The TP has a lot of folks that see both sides here. But the PA really didnt have the shock effect for many reasons. Durring the HC flap folks going to twon hall meeting were being talked down to, told to set down and shut up. It was this sort of thing that opened the eyes of many. Not to mention the way the dem controled congress was acting foolishly for all to see when it came to the HCB. Like not even reading it or saying we can read it later.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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Its so cool that we can all come here to share our opinions on things. The world is just so crazy now.. The problem is the MSM does not really portray what is going on.. In the end all we have is each other, We all care that's why were here..There is one thing that I feel from almost everybody I talk to is, there is a since that we all been ripped off. And we don't want it to happen to anybody else. Ones I sit back and look at it, Its not one man or one party it took a little of everybody to contribute to this mess, Blame is thick in this climate, and remedy's are few. Hope in this new year we find more remedy's. Example they want to raise the Debt ceiling, Then we hear no way there going to raise it. What we really need is a solution that if we don't raise it what are we going to cut I mean a detailed plan on what to do. not just cut it with no plan. See What I mean, These guys don't need to just tell people what to do, but how to do it as well.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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I am an unprofessional leftist. Though on some issues I have right leaning inclinations such as on crime, gun control and the death penalty.

All we want is not to have human beings anywhere starving to death or deprived of food; you know like children in the riches country in the world here who go to bed hungry. And if the children go to bed hungry then one can bet the adults also go to bed hungry.


Let's step back and take a look at this.

Follow the money trail. Without visible evidence of a problem you can not justify more law.,
Without more laws you can not increase government control and government bureaucracy,
Without an increase in bureaucracy you can not increase borrowing from the Bankers and increase advantages for the international Cartels.


The new food law is a simple example to follow.

As Julian Rose warned us a decade ago:

Farmers, however, stand in the way of land acquisitions; so they are best removed. Corporations thus join with the EU in seeing through their common goals and set about intensively lobbying national government to get the right regulatory conditions to make their kill. www.i-sis.org.uk...


Here is how it worked in the USA.
1. Cargill (grain trader) wrote the WTO Agreement on Ag,
2. Monsanto helped get Clinton to Ratify it
3. Monsanto's man in the FDA implemented the international HACCP standards per aggreement.
4. Government testing labs shut down and government inspectors reduced to looking at paperwork.
5. E. coli O157:H7 Outbreaks become common and make front page news
6. previously infiltrated Organic Consumers Union, Food & Water Watch and other activists groups jump on the "Food safety bandwagon" blaming farmers and not the lack of government oversight for the problem.
7. Congress passes the new law
8. Farmers... suddenly find themselves heavily controlled by EU [WTO] and national officialdom brandishing that most vicious of anti-entrepreneurial weapons: ‘sanitary and hygiene regulations... These are the hidden weapons of mass destruction of farmers and the main tool for achieving the... aim of ridding the countryside of small- and medium-sized family farms and replacing them with monocultural money-making agribusiness

You want to talk of HUNGER? Wait a few more years until The Ag cartel ups their control of the food supply from 80% to over 95%


What about poverty and hunger?

Note:I detail the three mechanisms used by the Fed to create povery in the USA in Bloodsucking Bankers

The right is most often Christian, correct? Isn't the teachings of that religion to give to others and help others???

So where is the real problem?

It is the twisting of the innate generosity of Americans, both left and right into something evil after it goes through the sausage making process in Congress and comes out with the Banker/Corporate stamp of approval.

One example is Street people and I will show how TPTB twist a decent idea into something evil.
A report to Congress stated 25% of the Street people have SERIOUS mental illness. So why are they on the street?

Because the LEFT (and I remember the debate) insisted on taking the mentally ill out of hospitals and placing them in society using halfway houses. The halfway houses were later abandoned and a second law came along making it illegal to require the mentally ill, who had been returned to society, to take the medication that was the entire basis for the first law!

We also now have laws, reg, and zoning codes that prevent churches and individuals from helping people. ATS just had a story of someone getting busted for handing out food to street people.

In the fifties there were vagrancy laws and street people were picked up and placed in a hospital, a county home or jail depending on the situation. Again the Left declared this practice to be inhumane, anti-constitutional and it was stopped and the people are now left on the street to freeze or starve to death.

Now comes the part where you have to think.
WHY did TPTB NEED people on the street and homeless??? WHY did we have to have a sky-rocketing incarceration rate???

Because itis the reason for generates more laws. More Control. More Money.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by sara123123
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I guess you missed that little story where the democrats had Black Panther soldiers standing outside a Philadelphia voting place swinging around their billy clubs. They were being prosecuted for voter intimidation until Mr. Obama came into offices and Holder dropped all charges against them. As the Civil Right Division investigated the case, employees from the Division of voting rights testified that the lefties in the division do not think whites have voting rights nor even civil rights.

The Radical Left is absoultely into racial division, racial inequality and thuggery. The Nation of Islam suits them fine.


Sara123123

The Black Panther business did not occur on my watch. Sorry. I wrote a perfectly reasoned comment and you went off into the stratosphere.

I no longer am part of the hard left. I am merely left of centre for reasons that I explained earlier. Enough with the straw man. Actually I have denounced these idiots calling themselves the new black panthers in several posts as I have denounced sharpton. Would you prefer that I denounce it all the time? Fine I will if you denounce the white supremacists.

Anyway Let us look at the Nation of Islam. The nation of Islam is racist, sexist and Homophobic. They were also implicated in the death of Malcolm X. They would always be denounced by the hard left. Can you see why?

Seeing that you insist on a point scoring argument try these individuals who ar probably fellow travellers at Tea Party demos.


www.youtube.com...

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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hey...here's an idea...lets take the extremes of both sides and ship them all to guam that way they can let the rest of us live in peace.


I second that idea.


I really would like to knock some heads together some times to see if I can introduce some sanity.

We all have the same enemy, the bankers... The enemy of my enemy is my friend should be the policy of Americans, but the banker propaganda outlets have us to busy fighting each other so we will not gang up and lynch them.

A better thought add the bankers to that shipload and ALL the lawyers TOO



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Then we hear no way there going to raise it. What we really need is a solution that if we don't raise it what are we going to cut I mean a detailed plan on what to do. not just cut it with no plan....


May I suggest you read Mises on Money

Mises suggest a solution a long time ago. Just recently, in desperation, the UK Parliament had a discussion that included Speech Invokes Mises Institute re Honest Money and Sound Banking

The full text of the speech is available here, and pasted below.

Note in particular Carswell’s explicit mention of the Mises Institute:

Since the credit crunch hit us, an endless succession of economists, most of whom did not see it coming, have popped up on our TV screens to explain its causes with great authority. Most have tended to see the lack of credit as the problem, rather than as a symptom.Perhaps we should instead begin to listen to those economists who saw the credit glut that preceded the crash as the problem. The Cobden Centre, the Ludwig von Mises Institute and Huerta de Soto all grasped that the overproduction of bogus candy-floss credit before the crunch gave rise to it. It is time to take seriously their ideas on honest money and sound banking.



I will add. I was one of the guilty ones. I did not really pay attention to politics through most of my life. I was too busy with school, work, family and friends. But then again we did not have any source of news other than the newspapers, TV or a long slog through the library.

I did library research for one company I worked for and you have no idea how much easier it is to find information now. I just hope we do not have the internet muzzled!
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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man that's a good tube!!!!



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Great, so 150 years ago, Republicans were against racism. Whats the track record since then? Because now, I know quite a few racist people, and not one of them is a Democrat. All are Republicans that hate "n-------".


Really? care to show EVIDENCE of such a claim?... I am sure you will find anarchists, and people of ALL parties who are racists...

First of all, Nazis, even today's Nazis ARE NOT REPUBLICANS...they are National SOCIALISTS just like Hitler and his regime were.

Second of all another FACT of U.S. history, and I quote....


History Of The Democrats And The KKK.


The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbuilders and published in his book "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White," which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.

"Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."
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www.liveleak.com...

Rev Wayne Perryman, a black Reverend, filed a lawsuit against the Democrat party because...


A lawsuit against the Democrat Party!

On December 10th 2004 , inner-city minister, Rev Wayne Perryman, - filed a class action Reparation lawsuit (in the United States District Court in Seattle Case No. CV04-2442), alleging “that because of their racist past practices the Democratic Party should be required to pay African Americans Reparations. Perryman said “he based his case on the research that he gathered during the past five years while writing the three editions of his latest book: Unfounded Loyalty.

In his 100-page brief, Perryman concludes that the past racist policies and practices that were initiated against African Americans by the Democratic Party - were no different than the policies and practices that were initiated by the Nazi Party against the Jews. In both situations millions of lives were destroyed (physically, mentally and economically).

In his brief, Perryman told the court:

*That in an effort to impede and or deny African Americans the same constitutional rights afforded to all American citizens, the Democratic Party established a pattern of practice by promoting, supporting, sponsoring and financing racially bias entertainment, education, legislation, litigations, and terrorist organizations from 1792 to 1962 and continued certain practices up to 2002.

*The Democrat’s 210 years of racist practices and cover ups not only negatively affected the entire Black Race; but these practices infected our entire nation with the most contagious and debilitating social disease known to mankind, racism. With landmark litigation, racist legislation and profane defamation, Democrats spent substantial amounts of money to produce racist campaign literature and to support racist entertainment (i.e. Jim Crow minstrel shows, stage plays “The Klansman, and movies, “The Birth of a Nation), all in an effort to prove to the world that African Americans were a racially inferior group that should be treated and classified as “property and not as “citizens.

*During the past 21 decades the Democrats successfully disguised and concealed their horrific acts against the African Americans by operating and committing these acts under the following aliases: “the Confederacy, “Jim Crow, “Black Codes, the “Dixiecrats and the “Ku Klux Klan. Congressional records, historical documents, and the letters and testimonies from several brave black citizens revealed that these groups weren’t separate independent organizations, but were actual auxiliaries, divisions and/or the legislative efforts of the Democratic Party. The debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 further revealed that these auxiliaries were committed to use every means possible to carry out the Democrat’s racist agenda of “White Supremacy, including: lynchings, murders, intimidation, mutilations, decapitations and racially bias legislation and adjudication. .

Perryman said, “To conceal the truth of their racist past (and as part of their effort to deceive the public), the Democratic Party made a conscience decision not to mention or disclose their true and complete history. (See exhibit 1). On their official website they failed to disclose that as a Party:

· Democrats opposed the Abolitionist

· Democrats supported slavery and fought and gave their lives to expand it


· Democrats supported and passed the Fugitive Slave Laws of 1793 & 1854

· Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery


· Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery

· Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision


· Democrats supported and passed Jim Crow Laws

· Democrats supported and passed Black Codes


· Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers

· Democrats opposed the Reconstruction Act of 1867


· Democrats opposed the Freedman’s Bureau as it pertained to blacks

· Democrats opposed the Emancipation Proclamation


· Democrats opposed the 13th , 14th, and 15th Amendments to end slavery, make black citizens and give blacks the right to vote

· Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866


· Democrats opposed the Civil Right Act of 1875 and had it overturned by U.S. Supreme Court

· Various Democrats opposed the 1957 Civil Rights Acts


· Various Democrats argued against the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Acts

· Various Democrats argued against the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Acts


· Various Democrats voted against the 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act

· Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson


· Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas .

· Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration


· Democrats started and supported several terrorist organizations including the Ku Klux Klan, an organization dedicated to use any means possible to terrorize African Americans and those who supported African Americans.‿

Congressional records reveal that there wouldnt be a question of Reparations today had Democratic President Andrew Johnson signed Senate Bill 60 (in 1866) which would have given each African American family 40 acres and a mule. Instead, Johnson vetoed the Bill and continued to block other key pieces of legislation that were designed to bring about equality for African Americans.
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electionink.com...


Today's Democrat/Liberal/Progressive elites are trying to hide their past hatred against black people and their MOSTLY REPUBLICAN SUPORTERS, but they still have their hatred towards the middle class, and the poor and their programs are aimed at reducing the power of the middle class, and the poor, as well as having several eugenic programs disguised as for example "planned parenthood", and other methods of population reduction/population control.

I have presented in the past evidence on what for example Liberal Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has stated about this issue, and I quote..


In an interview to be published in Sunday’s New York Times Magazine, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she thought the landmark Roe v. Wade decision on abortion was predicated on the Supreme Court majority's desire to diminish “populations that we dont want to have too many of.”

In the 90-minute interview in Ginsburg’s temporary chambers, Ginsburg gave the Times her perspective on Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama’s first high court nomination. She also discussed her views on abortion.

www.cnsnews.com...

In fact I found a statement directly made by this devil, because she cannot be a woman, where she states.


Q: Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid for abortions for poor women?

JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.

newsbusters.org...


Then if you keep digging a bit more, and even thou it is not about just black people anymore, you will find the beliefs of Obama's administration officials are not really in favor of poor people, or the middle class...


President Obama's Bizarre "Science Czar": Dr. John R Holdren, Professional Alarmist
By Steven W. Mosher 2009 (v19, n5) September/October
President Obama’s top science advisor and I have something in common: We both have a long-term association with Paul Ehrlich, my former colleague at Stanford University. There any similarity ends, however. Holdren, who has co-authored hooks on population control with Ehrlich and his wife, is the Stanford professors ideological clone. For my part, I have long opposed the prescriptions of the infamous population bombster, and now find myself compelled to reject the almost identical views of the lesser-known but now more powerful Holdren as well.

What views? Let’s start with his 1973 book, co-authored with the Ehrlichs, called Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions. In it, he argued:

“Human values and institutions have set mankind on a collision course with the laws of nature. Human beings cling jealously to their prerogative to reproduce as they please — and they please to make each new generation larger than the last — yet endless multiplication on a finite planet is impossible. Most humans aspire to greater material prosperity, but the number of people that can be supported on Earth if everyone is rich is even smaller than if everyone is poor.”

Their solution, if you can believe it, was to make everyone poor. They argued that the West should bede-developed,” by which they meant that countries like the U.S. should have their economies deliberately dismantled and their wealth redistributed to the poor at home and abroad.

But their big push was for population control. The publication of the book predated the Roe v. Wade decision, and the authors strongly argued for legalizing abortion as a population control measure. They suggest that abortion cannot really be considered the taking of a human life, on the grounds that neither the fetus, nor the newborn, nor the toddler, is truly human anyway: “The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being,”1 write the authors. Move over, Peter Singer.
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www.pop.org...


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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 03:44 PM
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Oh, and BTW, another FACT a lot of you Republican haters don't know is that "neo-cons" a word you people like to use trying to insult Republicans actually describes lifelong DEMOCRATS who changed parties and became Republicans...


The term neoconservative was used at one time as a criticism against proponents of American modern liberalism who had "moved to the right".[3][4] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[5] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[6] The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush.[7][8] with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.[9] The term neocon is often used as pejorative in this context.

en.wikipedia.org...


For example here is the website of an educated woman who used to be a lifelong Democrat and now considers herself a Republican, or a "neocon"...


About Me

Previously a lifelong Democrat, born in New York and living in New England, surrounded by liberals on all sides, I've found myself slowly but surely leaving the fold and becoming that dread thing: a neocon.

neoneocon.com...

In the same manner many, if not most of the so called "neo-cons" have been lifelong Democrats who have been infiltrating the Republican party.

The Republican Party has been infiltrated by lifelong Democrats, or have been bought off by the Feds, the rich elites, which were put in power by a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT in 1913...


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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Here is a link to many documents where you can see that members of the 'Professional Left' are in FACT officially members of the Department of Homeland Security's working groups. Make note this is an official relationship to direct policy.

www.infowars.com... up-to-attack-patriot-groups/
edit on 17-1-2011 by EssenSieMich because: fix link



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