Why 'The Professional Left' Hates the Tea Party

Well the Tea Party was a single issue grassroots movement. What was the issue? It was taxation. Very early on the Tea Party was guilty of naivete. The Tea party movement was seen as a recruiting ground for a number of Right wing terror groups. I can say from personal experience that that I draw the debating line with true psychos and the truly wingnutty elements because they are nuts and or violently so. Why go to a demonstration and wave a gun? Why get into fights? There are too many youtube clips showing the implied violence seen at Tea party demonstrations. Trusted friends also have clips of fights and violence at Tea Party demonstrations. Some of the posters shown are also deeply racist. Fact back in the day I was often a steward at far left demonstrations. We had a brief to keep our people in line as the cops were very quick to jump on the far left. OK I left after a few years due to the human greed element inherent in all political parties. But nontheless any organisation that calls a demonstration has a moral duty to control the more hot headed elements of the demonstration as well as to protect the demonstrators from the elements hostile to the demonstration.

I don't hate the Tea Party but I dislike the Naievete that allowed the terrorist right to recruit and spout their drivel.

reply to post by aching_knuckles

Allright, so instead of blaming the GOP, for creating the DHS monster within the past couple years, you are going to go 70 years back in history to single out FDR, despite all that has happened since then?

So you are saying that the passage of a law ONE HUNDRED years ago had no effect on the amount of money that the bankers siphon out of our pockets??? Note: over 40% of the National debt is OWNED by the Banksters!

I singled out that Supreme Court decision because it is just as critical to the mess we have now as the Federal Reserve Act!

That decision trumps the right of the state to govern its internal affairs. That decision is the one that is going to allow the FDA to march up to your door and arrest you for having an undocumented garden a few years from now if that is what the International Ag Cartel wants them to do.

I can not STAND the Patriot Act, however look at the actual FACTS please.

The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the "Patriot Act") is an Act of the U.S. Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001...

The Act was passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties... en.wikipedia.org...

SENATE
107th Congress (2001-2003)

Majority Party (Jan 3-20, 2001): Democrat (50 seats)

The house was 221 Republican and 214 non republican SOURCE

SO how come Obama signed off on the Patriot Act with 256 Democrats in the house and 55 in the Senate?? How come they JUST voted FOR that %$# law AGAIN???

House Democrats Sneak Through Patriot Act Vote
Posted on February 26 2010 by Congress Watcher

Yesterday evening, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to extend the Patriot Act, a law that violates the Fourth Amendment right of all people within the USA to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure.

We are being served up on a platter by BOTH parties and the "leftist professionals" are just as guilty of helping that happen as the right wing sellouts.

The left really has written the book on domestic terror in this country. Some of you that may think this an odd idea should look into the matter.

The left more than the right are lead by distructive ideologues that after fighting for some good issues have now taken to bringing down the whole structure. They cant stop themselves. They won some victorys over the years but have fallen in love with the smell of things burning. They have decome destroyers.

Now that they have gone to far and the mask is off of many of the faces that have hidden behind the front of "social change" and the like, they want to shut down opposition voices, defame other voices of change that dont have party membership, take apart the consitution, deride any voice or effort working for an mumber of sanity in spending issues and now their cheeleaders are calling for political heads on trumped up charges of complicity to murder and racism. The fact is they got to have a racist or they have nothing anymore. They must have a homophobe or they have zero reason for being. They once saw themselves as protectors but now only stand guard over phantom issues, burn straw men in effigy and the wreck they have made of so much in their pursuit of same. So great has their maddness become and their desperation for a cause that they would rather side with the enemie to find a casue than look as if they have anything in common interest with the people they have badmouthed for years.

reply to post by Logarock


The split between the left and right makes me sad. Meanwhile, the elite continue to fill their pockets while we argue about whose fault everything is. I cant believe everyone is falling into this trap. Shakes head in disappointment.

Originally posted by tiger5
Well the Tea Party was a single issue grassroots movement. What was the issue? It was taxation. Very early on the Tea Party was guilty of naivete. The Tea party movement was seen as a recruiting ground for a number of Right wing terror groups. I can say from personal experience that that I draw the debating line with true psychos and the truly wingnutty elements because they are nuts and or violently so. Why go to a demonstration and wave a gun? Why get into fights? There are too many youtube clips showing the implied violence seen at Tea party demonstrations. Trusted friends also have clips of fights and violence at Tea Party demonstrations. Some of the posters shown are also deeply racist. Fact back in the day I was often a steward at far left demonstrations. We had a brief to keep our people in line as the cops were very quick to jump on the far left.

That is becouse for years the left was everything you describe above. You should know this and it should have the effect of tempering your judgment about the very little in comparison the TP has done in the streets. I think the hard left is just having problems seeing others openly demonstrate as they see this type of public display as thier thing...now they look into a mirror.

OK I left after a few years due to the human greed element inherent in all political parties. But non the left any organisation that calls a demonstration has a moral duty to control the more hot headed elements of the demonstration as well as to protect the demonstrators from the elements hostile to the demonstration.

I don't hate the Tea Party but I dislike the Naievete that allowed the terrosist right to recruit and spout their drivel.

The left now sees thier moral duty to keep hot heads in line? Starting when? Whos naieve here? They just dont like anyone else using the street to protest or gather in large groups. They know how this can lead to change from their own history and it makes them very upset.....seeing how they thought they were coming near end game.

Show us the terrorist right! There is none!

Originally posted by MrInsideTrack
reply to post by Logarock

 

The split between the left and right makes me sad. Meanwhile, the elite continue to fill their pockets while we argue about whose fault everything is. I cant believe everyone is falling into this trap. Shakes head in disappointment.

I used to feel this way. Live and let live. Hay we dont have to agree just so we are trying.

But anymore no. The split is good for the country. Cant see issues cleary or intentions with to much backslapping and handshaking going on. And you have certainly noticed the change in tone toward togetherness from the left now that they were so soundly beaten in the last election. Red flag, red flag!

Real talk over deportment. Substance over form.

reply to post by MrInsideTrack

Actually, most political theorists believe that FDR saved capitalism. What other options would you have employed to combat the Depression?

OH???

Remember FDR confiscated the private citizen's gold and gave it to the banks who used it to pay off the bad loans they made in Europe---To the Bank of England of course. (Google Congressman Mcfadden's speeches)

Here is what our favorite Left Wing University has to say about FDR and his "New Deal"

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By Meg Sullivan August 10, 2004

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years....

Here is the long explanation of why you are incorrect and what should have been done based on the work of Milton Friedman winner of the Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences - 1976

The Great Depression According to Milton Friedman The Great Depression Could Have Been Avoided if the Fed Had Not So Badly Botched Its Monetary Policy

The Great Depression created a widespread misconception that market economies are inherently unstable and must be managed by the government to avoid large macreconomic fluctuations, that is, business cycles. This view persists to this day despite the more than 40 years since Milton Friedman and Anna Jacobson Schwartz showed convincingly that the Federal Reserve’s monetary policies were largely to blame for the severity of the Great Depression. In 2002 Ben Bernanke (then a Federal Reserve governor, today the chairman of the Board of Governors) made this startling admission in a speech given in honor of Friedman’s 90th birthday: “I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you’re right. We did it. We’re very sorry.”

...The standard explanation of the Great Depression, found in most American high-school history texts, is that it was created by the wild and irrational stock-market speculation that ultimately led to the Great Crash ... It was only once Franklin Delano Roosevelt came into office that the government jump-started the recovery. It is thus claimed that FDR’s policies were responsible not only for the recovery, but in fact for “saving capitalism from itself” when many Americans were willing to consider adopting full-blown socialism in the 1930s as a way to deal with the downturn.

Most people do not realize how much of this explanation had been shaped by Keynesian economics, the dominant economic paradigm from the 1940s to the 1970s...

Both FDR and Keynes were proclaimed the “saviors of capitalism”!

Friedman Follows the Facts

In the 1950s, Friedman and Anna Schwartz began compiling historical data on monetary variables without any particular agenda or intention of overturning the dominant explanation of the Great Depression. But it became obvious that the data were at odds with the standard Keynesian explanation...

[EXPLANATION you can read your self]

Ironically, as a result of the banking crisis of 1930–33, the Fed was granted more responsibilities and more control over banking. As is often the case in politics, failure was used to justify an expansion of power. That expansion of the Fed’s power resulted in a great amount of economic destruction through the subsequent decades...

reply to post by crimvelvet


Dear, you just proved my point. FDR saved the evil capitalist system we have today.

I get such a big kick out of "everyone" else telling me what the Tea Party is about. Why not just send us all a script so we can get our words right.

My group wants smaller government, and a return of personal responsibility. Simple.
Nothing hateful, nothing dark or illuminati-ish.

To assign a mind-set or narritive to what we believe in is as insulting as me telling libs that they "enjoy hitting small kittens with a spatula".
I'm sure I could actually find one or two, but would that define a movement?

reply to post by MrInsideTrack

The split between the left and right makes me sad. Meanwhile, the elite continue to fill their pockets while we argue about whose fault everything is. I cant believe everyone is falling into this trap. Shakes head in disappointment.

Yes and when you try to point out who is orchestrating the split you get attacked.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by MrInsideTrack

 

The split between the left and right makes me sad. Meanwhile, the elite continue to fill their pockets while we argue about whose fault everything is. I cant believe everyone is falling into this trap. Shakes head in disappointment.

Yes and when you try to point out who is orchestrating the split you get attacked.

The split is only a problem when its something the left has to work around. To me the split represents the measure by which we have not been totaly brainwashed although many now days believe the split to be the result of brainwashing. This is human politics. Even if we undertake to get along and work together we are going to come to a point were we can no longer agree. Then we sell out or bring the issue to a point.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Why bother? He is being willfully ignorant. You will never be able to talk logic to these kind of people - they only believe "facts" that fit with their world view.

I cannot help myself. It is a sickness. I do not understand this logic of bashing the MSM but not FOX, the most MSM of them all along with declaring FOX accurate for no other reason than that it is the most MSM of them all. It really makes my head hurt.

reply to post by MrInsideTrack

Dear, you just proved my point. FDR saved the evil capitalist system we have today.

If you are talking about the evil BANSTERS



But please do not fall into the banksters trap. THEY HATE CAPITALISM since it is their direct competitor. Didn't ever think of that did you

First let me say I am all for STRONG laws against leveraged buyouts, monopoly, monopsony (one buyer) and a limit to the size of a corporation, and to interlocking directorships. We need to get rid of the international cartels.

Back on track, What do I mean by bankers and capitalism are competitors?

First definitions:
The present system is Neo- Corporatism an unholy alliance of government and international corporate cartels.

This is what everyone is TOLD is capitalism. It is NOT!


What is Money?
Money is the tool of exchange. It is the logical refinement of the barter system. Money is used by people as the easiest means of trading value for value. Money has been shells, wampum, obsidian arrows, brass, gold, silver, copper and now paper certificates.

Money, especially those pieces of paper, is a token of honor. When you go to work you accept money in payment for your effort or products whether you are an employee selling labor or the business owner selling a product or service. All civilized people do so only on the conviction that this token of honor can be exchange for the product of the effort of others.

Bankers short circuit the system because the "money" they create is created out of nothing. In the exchange of value for value, they cheat the system by exchanging value for debt and use trickery and bad laws to conceal this theft.

So what is wealth?

Wealth is the product of man's mind. Man uses his ingenuity, and labor to shape raw materials into products others desire. Products that he can then trade, using money, for the items he wants and needs.

In an honest society, without laws bent to favor the few, it will be the best product or the best performance that wins your money. This is how ingenuity is rewarded and civilization advances.

So what is the real definition of capitalism?

What is capitalism?

Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. Under capitalism the state is separated from economics (production and trade), just like the state is separated from religion. Capitalism is the system of laissez faire. It is the system of political freedom.

The government's job is to protect rights. [NOT take them away] www.capitalism.org...

Today capitalism is equated with greed, avarice, ecological destruction, and corruption. But what does capitalism really do? It reinvests the wealth and ingenuity of individuals for the advancement of civilization.

The banksters, with their bought and paid for media have promoted the idea that some how capitalism is theft. They have promoted the idea that our present system of Neo-corporatism is capitalism. Then they use the evil system they have created to convince people to hate capitalism.

Why? Because as I said the banksters HATE capitalism since true capitalism will not allow them to loot nations. Banksters LOVE socialism, progressivism, fascism and neo-corporatism, or any form of government that restricts the rights of individuals thus allowing them to steal control of the government. This allows them to direct the wealth of a nation into their pockets in exchange for their worthless scraps of paper that represent nothing. For banksters are looters, thieves and fraudsters who take our wealth from us by trickery and the force of a corrupt government.

You know the banksters and their minions lie to us so you might like to look at this essay: Revising the Revised History of Capitalism Talk about rewriting history!

reply to post by aching_knuckles


hey aching...good luck trying to counter them...they have formed their own mind-set, and they will simply see you as "an agent" of the left. frankly, i don't think most of them have ever listened to a true left-wing american, why?...because the mainstream media won't allow Noam Chomsky on the air to speak publicly. the conservatives have gone so far to the right, that the middle looks like communism to them. so, good luck.

Originally posted by beezzer
My group wants smaller government, and a return of personal responsibility. Simple.
Nothing hateful, nothing dark or illuminati-ish.

Can you be specific? I mean, I am against bad things and for good things too.

What I don't understand about the Tea party is they seem to be so focused on hating Obama that they completely miss the other things that's taking place right under there nose, We all know if Jefferson was alive Obamacare would be the least of his worry's.. When you have the FED injecting 2 trillion of fresh printed money into the economy out of thin air, And with Jefferson view on Banks we all know that would be his target, That two Trillion could pay for Healthcare for every man woman and child for the next 20 years!!!!

Then we have the Patriot act. (Thanks Bush) This is the biggest Socialist act ever perpetrated on the American people, I'm not exaggerating at all. How can the TP be valid at all while not ever saying anything about these things ??

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by beezzer
My group wants smaller government, and a return of personal responsibility. Simple.
Nothing hateful, nothing dark or illuminati-ish.

Can you be specific? I mean, I am against bad things and for good things too.

Where would you like me to start? Government programs? Dept. of Education? The EPA? The FDA?
When you have government programs telling us about our salt intake, warning us about eating bacon, when you have most federal programs that received a 30% budget increase in Obama's 1st year, when you have the Dept of Ed dumping greater amounts of money into schools yet our children are just getting dumber, when you have the left AND the right raising the debt ceiling, when states are supporting union benefits that they can't pay for, when you have entitlement program after entitlement program (the gimmegimmegimme folks) growing bigger. . .

Where do you want me to start? Got a few hours?

reply to post by rancher1


If you are going to thank Bush for the Patriot Act, maybe you should give Biden a high five, he is the one that wrote it.

But, let us point our fingers at the Tea Party and accuse them of hating on Obama, that gets your racist narrative going. Pffft.

reply to post by rancher1


When did I EVER say I hated Obama

Please point that out to me.

reply to post by jimmyx

they will simply see you as "an agent" of the left. frankly, i don't think most of them have ever listened to a true left-wing american...

OH that is SOOooo Rich!

Dude I lived in Cambridge MA in the middle of the Combat Zone no less.

My spouse and I were part time street musicians with a card carrying Communist- Atheist Orthodox Jew who was a register Republican. (He did that so there were enough republicans to work the voting polls.)

I have had Left wingers tell me "We are going to KILL people like you when we take over this country" for wearing a tee shirt they did not like. I have been working for the last several years with a very left wing College prof. to set up an Urban Community Garden and on other projects. I have written or researched articles for the Grist, OpEdNews and Change.Org

Do not tell me I have never listened to left wingers, my best friend for the past 30 years, who just died was a flaming far left winger and the two of us pal around with a far right wing Religious Conspiracy Nut. Why the heck do you think I ended up a Centralist, shear self-defense