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Your True Star Signs: What You Should Know

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Hi LeoVirgo, that's very interesting info. As I said before, there are all kinds of experiments ongoing in Astrology. No one knows everything in Astrology -- too broad a field. So if you're working on creating your own Astrology, more power to you.

SeaWind




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Confused123
Hey I find this whole thing very interesting and wonder what my chart would say... Is there anyway you can do a reading for me please?

I was born on November 25, 1993 at 11:43 AM
The location is : 25.73960, -80.21530 which is miami FL


Confused123, if you're NOT in a hurry and can content yourself with a "quickie" reading. I happen to be very busy at the moment. Maybe in a couple of days.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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I found that very interesting! My two daughters were born only a day apart (different years), so one would think that they would be much alike, astrologically speaking, but nope. I put in their info and the results were VERY accurate. Thanks for that link... I was quite impressed.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by LeoVirgo
 


Hi LeoVirgo, that's very interesting info. As I said before, there are all kinds of experiments ongoing in Astrology. No one knows everything in Astrology -- too broad a field. So if you're working on creating your own Astrology, more power to you.

SeaWind


Just to note...I dont feel I am trying to 'create something new' but yet bring back something old.

All my best
LV



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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Hi Leo/Virgo,

I realize "Walter Berg" has written at least one book on the 13 signs zodiac, is there software that supports the 13 signs? Or do you have to do the calculations manually? Do they issue an IAU emphemeris? Is there a website devoted to "Bergian" Astrology?

Ophiuchus as the 13th sign has been around for decades. Ophiuchus as a part of the sign of Scorpio has been around for AGES.

Apparently, you're completely sold on the superiority of using the IAU Zodiac.

ALL types of Astrology use REAL astronomical data in their charts (even Tropical), but the positions are seen thru the framework of twelve 30 degree signs. The signs are symbolic and have MEANING accrued thru observation over a long period of time. The problem with Tropical is that it ignores Precession.

The Tropical Zodiac is aligned with the Vernal Equinox (which determines the Seasons) and is NOT completely worthless, especially for work that depends on the seasonal tides. However, (since I'm a Siderealist) I do NOT consider the Tropical useful for Natal readings.

(I'm posting this on my thread as well.)

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by gemineye
reply to post by Human_Alien
 


I found that very interesting! My two daughters were born only a day apart (different years), so one would think that they would be much alike, astrologically speaking, but nope. I put in their info and the results were VERY accurate. Thanks for that link... I was quite impressed.


Hi Gemineye,

I just looked at the Astrolabe site that Human_Alien provided. Unless I'm mistaken, it shows only Tropical Zodiac charts, NOT Sidereal. You might find the Sidereal charts more accurate.

One day apart can cause quite a difference.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 19 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by LeoVirgo
 


Hi Leo/Virgo,

I realize "Walter Berg" has written at least one book on the 13 signs zodiac, is there software that supports the 13 signs? Or do you have to do the calculations manually? Do they issue an IAU emphemeris? Is there a website devoted to "Bergian" Astrology?

Ophiuchus as the 13th sign has been around for decades. Ophiuchus as a part of the sign of Scorpio has been around for AGES.

Apparently, you're completely sold on the superiority of using the IAU Zodiac.

ALL types of Astrology use REAL astronomical data in their charts (even Tropical), but the positions are seen thru the framework of twelve 30 degree signs. The signs are symbolic and have MEANING accrued thru observation over a long period of time. The problem with Tropical is that it ignores Precession.

The Tropical Zodiac is aligned with the Vernal Equinox (which determines the Seasons) and is NOT completely worthless, especially for work that depends on the seasonal tides. However, (since I'm a Siderealist) I do NOT consider the Tropical useful for Natal readings.

(I'm posting this on my thread as well.)

SeaWind


I use astronomy programs to look at the degrees of each constellation as well as the exact position of the spheres in them.

I dont know of Walter Berg. Never heard of Bergian Astrology.

What I use, I have found on my own. Not only the information....but through experience as well.

Im going to leave you to your thread...and appreciate your thoughts you have shared. Im sorry you dont like the idea that someone is walking a path without following what another man has created for them. Even though I kindly, dont agree with giving readings.

We learn through experiences and observation....and that is what I am going by with what I offer to others. I encourage them to also look at experiences and observe the energy of the spheres...not by being told about them by another man...but by stepping out and observing the true sky which is the way astrology began.


edit on 19-1-2011 by LeoVirgo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo

Originally posted by SeaWind
reply to post by LeoVirgo
 


Hi Leo/Virgo,

I realize "Walter Berg" has written at least one book on the 13 signs zodiac, is there software that supports the 13 signs? Or do you have to do the calculations manually? Do they issue an IAU emphemeris? Is there a website devoted to "Bergian" Astrology?

Ophiuchus as the 13th sign has been around for decades. Ophiuchus as a part of the sign of Scorpio has been around for AGES.

Apparently, you're completely sold on the superiority of using the IAU Zodiac.

ALL types of Astrology use REAL astronomical data in their charts (even Tropical), but the positions are seen thru the framework of twelve 30 degree signs. The signs are symbolic and have MEANING accrued thru observation over a long period of time. The problem with Tropical is that it ignores Precession.

The Tropical Zodiac is aligned with the Vernal Equinox (which determines the Seasons) and is NOT completely worthless, especially for work that depends on the seasonal tides. However, (since I'm a Siderealist) I do NOT consider the Tropical useful for Natal readings.

(I'm posting this on my thread as well.)

SeaWind


I use astronomy programs to look at the degrees of each constellation as well as the exact position of the spheres in them.

I dont know of Walter Berg. Never heard of Bergian Astrology.

What I use, I have found on my own. Not only the information....but through experience as well.

Im going to leave you to your thread...and appreciate your thoughts you have shared. Im sorry you dont like the idea that someone is walking a path without following what another man has created for them. Even though I kindly, dont agree with giving readings.

We learn through experiences and observation....and that is what I am going by with what I offer to others. I encourage them to also look at experiences and observe the energy of the spheres...not by being told about them by another man...but by stepping out and observing the true sky which is the way astrology began.


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Leo/Virgo, I asked those questions about Walter Berg before looking at your "cosmic energies" thread and realizing that you are not an astrologer.

I have nothing against experimenting with different techniques in astrology. Generally speaking, most people would recommend learning established astrology before re-inventing the craft.

About 30 years ago, Walter Berg wrote a book on a 13 sign astrology using the International Astronomical Union (IAU) zodiac. I have NOT read this book, but I'm wondering how useful it would be to do so. I wonder if it isn't just a regurgitation of the 12 Sun Signs plus a blurb on Ophiuchus. I don't know how one would be able to use the established ASPECTS in such an IRREGULAR zodiac. The established aspects require a symmetrical 360 degree divided into 12 EVEN signs of 30 degrees each. Would you use a symmetrical overlay to be able to calculate the aspects? You would have to convert all positions to absolute longitude to be able to calculate aspects.

I do not know of any software that supports the IAU zodiac for astrological purposes. Stellarium does not -- that's just a sky chart. But that is as expected since the IAU would have NO INTEREST in Astrological purposes.

One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING. In other words, the demarcations used are ARBITRARY. In 1930, the IAU made the decision to align the IAU zodiac with the 1875 northern Vernal Equinox which took place on 21 March 1875 at 00:35 hrs when the Sun was at seven (7) degrees Pisces on the Fagan Sidereal Zodiac.

Contrast this with the Hindu Sidereal Zodiac which is aligned with the star Spica and has ALWAYS been adjusted for Precession -- and, most importantly, has MILLENNIA of OBSERVATION to support its MEANING. Hindu Astrology has a PRACTICAL purpose: it's used to find compatible marriage partners and to time important events, etc.

I hope someone out there is able to grasp this.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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The way astrology began was through looking at the sky and observing.




One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING


How do you figure? Where do you think the 'meanings' of the 'signs' began? It was not with equal amounts of space in the sky, it was not through having a 'imaginary wheel' that was not reflective to the real sky....it all began with true observation. They surely never ever looked at how Saturn would effect being in Libra...when they saw and observed it in Virgo.

It was much later man 'tied' the signs.

How then does it all work so well? Because there is a link of every sign to all of us. The 'signs' are a part of mankinds collective consciousness...its a part of the past of man. The signs are reflective for the 'path of life'. As I have said...we are of all the signs..but with the practice of reflecting life in the cosmos, we find a harmony between our cosmic prints and our life/purpose. Sometimes we need a little reminder of what we could face or work on, to better ourselves.



posted on Jan, 21 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING


How do you figure? Where do you think the 'meanings' of the 'signs' began? It was not with equal amounts of space in the sky, it was not through having a 'imaginary wheel' that was not reflective to the real sky....it all began with true observation. They surely never ever looked at how Saturn would effect being in Libra...when they saw and observed it in Virgo.

It was much later man 'tied' the signs.

How then does it all work so well? Because there is a link of every sign to all of us. The 'signs' are a part of mankinds collective consciousness...its a part of the past of man. The signs are reflective for the 'path of life'. As I have said...we are of all the signs..but with the practice of reflecting life in the cosmos, we find a harmony between our cosmic prints and our life/purpose. Sometimes we need a little reminder of what we could face or work on, to better ourselves.


Leo/Virgo,

You don't seem to understand that the IAU is just as "imaginary" as the other zodiacs. With this difference: at least, the zodiacs used by Astrologers have MILLENNIA of OBSERVATION on its EFFECT on HUMAN LIFE. Man "tied" the sky to signs because those signs WORK to help them PREDICT human BEHAVIOR and OUTCOMES.

"The signs are reflective for the 'path of life'. As I have said...we are of all the signs..but with the practice of reflecting life in the cosmos, we find a harmony between our cosmic prints and our life/purpose."

There is NO argument on that. The "Sacred Art of Astrology" is the art of helping a person find WHICH signs have the MOST importance in his life, in this incarnation. It is to HELP FOCUS and to find MEANING.

You're telling someone to meditate on the stars. An Astrologer would HELP someone UNDERSTAND what was happening in the sky the MOMENT he was born, as seen FROM HIS BIRTH PLACE.

One of the problems in using the IAU zodiac is that the demarcations of the constellations are DIVORCED FROM MEANING. In other words, the demarcations used are ARBITRARY. In 1930, the IAU made the decision to align the IAU zodiac with the 1875 northern Vernal Equinox which took place on 21 March 1875 at 00:35 hrs when the Sun was at seven (7) degrees Pisces on the Fagan Sidereal Zodiac.

Contrast this with the Hindu Sidereal Zodiac which is aligned with the star Spica and has ALWAYS been adjusted for Precession -- and, most importantly, has MILLENNIA of OBSERVATION to support its MEANING. Hindu Astrology has a PRACTICAL purpose: it's used to find compatible marriage partners and to time important events, etc.

I hope someone out there is able to grasp this.

SeaWind
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posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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lol, srry SeaWind; just amusing in a sad way to see you try and drive the point home that the tropical system is out of whack. Kind of like an out of whack GPS that tells you to turn right, right into a newly constructed building where a road once existed a long, long time ago in a celestial alignment far away.

I am just sad I am technically no longer a Taurus/Ox.... But that is life.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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Hm. I looked at the chart, and there are simply too many contradictions to be taken seriously. They even comment to "pick and choose", the traits that fit you. That doesn't work, imho. If I did that, I might end up with say, 50% of characteristics that fit, and 50% that do not.

What does that tell you?

But these contradictions are too profound, and too generalized to fit in anything more than just a serendipitous way. I even had the time of my birth from my birth certificate.

Not to say I don't appreciate the thread. I do.



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by korathin
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lol, srry SeaWind; just amusing in a sad way to see you try and drive the point home that the tropical system is out of whack. Kind of like an out of whack GPS that tells you to turn right, right into a newly constructed building where a road once existed a long, long time ago in a celestial alignment far away.

I am just sad I am technically no longer a Taurus/Ox.... But that is life.


Thank you, Korathin, you're one of the few who got it. I swear some who responded to this thread did NOT even read the three OP posts.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 22 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Hm. I looked at the chart, and there are simply too many contradictions to be taken seriously. They even comment to "pick and choose", the traits that fit you. That doesn't work, imho. If I did that, I might end up with say, 50% of characteristics that fit, and 50% that do not.

What does that tell you?

But these contradictions are too profound, and too generalized to fit in anything more than just a serendipitous way. I even had the time of my birth from my birth certificate.

Not to say I don't appreciate the thread. I do.



Ladyinwaiting, I don't know what chart are you looking at?! If you made the mistake of using the Alabe link provided by Human_Alien at the beginning of the thread, then of course, the chart is OFF. That link gives you a TROPICAL chart -- NOT the correct SIDEREAL chart. I thanked Human_Alien BEFORE looking at the link. After I looked at the link, I realized their software produces ONLY a standard Tropical chart.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 23 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Aha, that is exactly what I did! Thank you for the information, I appreciate you!



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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Hey whats up, if you got time can you draw up a Sidereal Zodiac astrology for me? If not thats cool too.

Location:40°36'6" North, 75°28'38" West (40.601697, -75.477328)-Allentown PA
Time:11:15 AM
Date: 5/10/1985

Cheers



posted on Jan, 24 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by korathin
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Hey whats up, if you got time can you draw up a Sidereal Zodiac astrology for me? If not thats cool too.

Location:40°36'6" North, 75°28'38" West (40.601697, -75.477328)-Allentown PA
Time:11:15 AM
Date: 5/10/1985

Cheers


Hi Korathin, you've got three people ahead of you. It depends on what you want. If you just want the positions of your planets, Ascendant, etc. on the Sidereal Zodiac, that's easy. If you want a quickie reading -- that's going to take more time. I won't be able to get to it this week. Hopefully next week.

SeaWind
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posted on Jan, 25 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by SeaWind

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
I don't deny that there may be some validity to this Astrology stuff but I am extremely skeptical. Reading through the responses to the OP, a question occured to me;

Why are birth times and dates so important to Astrology? To me it would make more sense to base calculations on the time of conception, the moment when two distinct lifeforms merge to create a new and unique individual. Wouldn't the Planetary bodies influence on ourseles be most important at the moment we become the unique lifeforms that each of us are? If the answer to the previous question is "yes" then it also occurs to me that assuming a nine month gestation period would not be a very accurate method.

Not trolling.... serious question.

Thanks


Blarneystoner, assuming you're NOT a troll, you're NOT going to like the answer. You believe that human life begins at conception. I do NOT.


You don't have to assume, I said I wasn't trolling, didn't you believe me? Also, your answer doesn't bother me at all but I think I should point out that there is a problem with your keyboard. The 'N' the 'O' and the 'T' keys seem to be stuck in CAPS lock.



In my belief system, when conception happens, the soul is drawn to the parents, especially the mother, but does NOT actually enter the physical vehicle being formed in the womb.

When the baby is born and draws its first breath, at that time the soul enters the body.


You have a system of beliefs? I have a set but regardless... I've never seen an ultrasound of a vehicle in the womb... just babies man. You say tom-may-toe, I say toe-mah-toe... but why doesn't anyone say poe-tah-toe?


When a person dies, the soul leaves with the body's last breath.

SeaWind


Really? Prove it!



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Blarneystoner


Really? Prove it!

I don't think anyone needs to "prove" their beliefs...
As long as they don't try to force them on you, they're just beliefs...
So, what's in it for you?



posted on Jan, 27 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
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Another example of the logical fallacy of the argument from authority. People tend to hold Newton up on this odd pedestal. Granted, he is one of the greatest scientific minds who ever existed, but he was also oddly obsessed with things that were entirely unscientific. His great works don't justify his entire belief set.

Now, I'll grant that the time of year you were born might have affected your life in some way due to the influence that events revolving around it would have on your life. My birthday is two days before Christmas, I'm sure that had some psychological effect. The problem is that it has nothing to do with the stars and probably had an entirely different effect on someone with an entirely different personality and other life circumstances.


The problem is that science is limited. Things which are outside the grasp of science are shunned and scoffed at, until someone comes along every couple hundred years to prove to the rest of the science community something which as been denied, mostly due to pride and paradigm.

And also, your birthday being effected by Christmas has everything to do with the stars! Tell me when the winter solstice is! I'm sure you're aware, but Christians aren't the only ones who see that period of time as significant. Can add lots of links and citations if necessary...



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