Your True Star Signs: What You Should Know

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Golf66 Reading

A full reading would go on for pages & pages. I simply do NOT have the time to go into that kind of detail on this or even to type it all out. I do NOT use “canned” readings. So what I’m providing here is a synopsis of a synopsis.

I’m curious about your reaction. Some people do not recognize themselves. But don’t worry, it’s unlikely anyone will read this reading since it does NOT concern themselves. Besides this thread is getting very little attention.

The chart you gave me yesterday is based on the Tropical Zodiac, which I do NOT use. I’m a Siderealist. People are not reading my OP which consists of my first three posts to this thread.

Your Ascendant is Pisces (Mutable Water) ruled by Jupiter & Neptune. Nakshatra Revati
Your Moon is Fallen in Scorpio (Fixed Water) ruled by Mars & Pluto. It’s also in the Nakshatra Jyestha.
Your Sun is in Gemini (Mutable Air) ruled by Mercury. Nakshatra Ardra

The first thing that struck me about your chart is that you have Saturn in the first house. It’s squared by both the Moon & Mars. You had a hard, difficult childhood and youth. Danger of broken bones, bad teeth, diseases of the bones in general. There may be something unusual about the feet. You tend to be lean.

You are a very complicated personality. There is a sincere desire to do good and you have a genuine capacity for compassion. However, there is also a dangerous, sullen temper, the problems of holding grudges, getting even, a recklessness.

You had/have a very difficult mother. Either she was sick or incapacitated in some way. You were deprived of tender maternal care when you were a sensitive, impressionable youth. This lack of emotional nurturance and conflicts with the mother has lead to difficulties in your relationships with women in general.
Women tend to be afraid of you. You are too brusque and forceful.

You have a VERY powerful Mars (in Taurus) by position in the 3rd House. This gives enormous vitality and genuine COURAGE. Because you have aspects that show dangerous recklessness, you need to rein it in.

Your Venus is powerful by sign (Taurus) which it owns. There is something pleasant about the voice, possibly a melodious speaking voice or singing voice. There’s talent in music.You should do something with your voice – either develop it for public speaking or such. You are a natural teacher.

Getting back to the women in your life: you have a VERY strong sex drive which has been difficult to control. There’s the danger of divorce. The women who attract you are very feminine and sensual. The one you marry tends to be practical & sensible. But you are sexually attracted to difficult “naughty” women who have a certain “darkness” about them (not necessarily dark in appearance, but dark in character). They have mystery and a touch of the exotic about them. Women have been something of a real headache & heartache in your life.

There is a deep love of the LAND. This can also be expressed as patriotism. Your Sun in Gemini is closely conjunct with Jupiter, this will give you some buoyancy and optimism to counterbalance the melancholy of a challenged Saturn in the !st house.

Although Mercury is not especially strong by sign (Cancer), it is strengthened by its placement in the 5th House. There is intelligence there and a capacity to learn.

Leo rules your 6th House of Service & Health (this is also your Lunar 10th House of Careers). You have Uranus & Pluto (exactly conjoined) and squared by Mars. You have no problem dominating co-workers & subordinates. Workplace often dirty & dangerous, with the presence of Death. Uranus can represent electricity and the sudden release of energy. It’s also very unpredictable. Pluto can also represent explosives & Death. These aspects in particular are often associated with military careers & war. There is the danger of fires in the home, accidents, air accidents. Possible heart problems indicated by Ascendant inconjunct the Uranus Pluto conjunction in the 6th House. Watch diet.

To wrap up, the real thrust of this chart is the search for higher knowledge. The sensitivity to the Unseen, combined with a Scorpio Moon in the 9th House of Philosophy, and Sagittarius (natural ruler of the 9th House) on the MidHeaven ruling the 10th House of Careers. There is a thirst for knowledge of all kinds, you probably have a large personal library. Intrigued by mystery. You are a natural communicator, teacher, maybe a writer. Your intense emotional nature and strong sex drive, sensuality can cause serious problems in your life, but you also have a strong will capable of self-control. Stay away from alcohol, drugs and gambling – especially dangerous for you.

SeaWind




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by mysticnoon



I mean, seriously, what's the means by which a star, a constellation, or anything else in the night sky can change something about someone's life?
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I have yet to read about any learned astrologers who consider that planets, luminaries, stars and asteroids actually impact human behaviour directly, aside from the obvious scientifically observable effects.

This false notion among non-astologers that astrology states we are controlled by the stars arises more from the the particular use of language and expressions by astrologers.

The manner in which the planetary array correlates to the human condition is quite complex, involving such concepts as fractals, synchronicity, holography, quantum probabilities, and so forth.

In a most basic sense, the chart cast at the exact time of birth acts as a blueprint for a person's (or country, event, etc) life, and the movement of the celestial bodies serve as a timing device for the development of potentials contained in the blueprint.



MysticNoon, excellent response.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by sugarcookie1
I read my Horoscope every day in the news paper have for years.. i always thought it was for entertainment nothing that ever worked but i find it interisting ..im also a scorpio and very hard to deal with at times


Sugarcookie1, the daily newspaper horoscope uses the Tropical Zodiac (not accurate) and deals with the Sun Signs -- too general to be of any help. You should find an astrologer that uses the Sidereal Zodiac and get a real reading.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by maybee
I don't now, nor have ever taken astrology seriously, but it is a little weird to now have a new sign. The fact that this became news in a very weird week, is a little strange.


Maybee, as I posted in my third post to this thread, Ophiuchus is NOT new. It's always been there and it's simply part of Scorpio.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by mblahnikluver
Thank you~

FINALLY someone posted about the natal charts. I wanted to do a thread on it in relation to events going on with me right now but I just didn't have the energy to do it.

My chart has been so dead on accurate it freaks me out. It is one of the reasons I stopped studying astrology years ago up until recently when I went thru something very upsetting. I checked my chart and there it was, all kinds of accurate. Very creepy to say the least but I do agree the time and location are important.

I am always defending astrology to people and it gets tiring because most are too lazy to look into it any further than their daily horoscope, which is too general imo.

S&F!!


Great to "see" someone else on the thread that appreciates Astrology.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Another doubt i had: When you go to one of those sites where you input your birthdates & time & birthplace, and it calculates the chart. Does the inclusion of this 13th sign changes anything about that readings?
I always get mixed up in these subjects.
Thanks!

Drakus.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Seawind...do you use true positions of the spheres? And if not why? Do you include Ophiuchus? Do you show when the planets and Moon leave the path of the Sun (outside the wheel) and are in signs like Cetus, Serpens, Bootes, Coma Berenices, Sextans...and the cusp of Orion gets some action too
?

Ive yet to find anyone else that uses all of the true observable spheres and positions. Is this not what they ancients did....observed the real night sky?


LeoVirgo, I've answered you already on another thread. ALL astrologers use true astronomical information. The difference is that Western astrologers use the Tropical Zodiac which is not accurate for the purposes of Astrology. Siderealist believe that the Sidereal Zodiac is more accurate. (There are different Sidereal Zodiacs.)

What you seem not to understand is that Astrology is the art of deriving MEANING from those celestial bodies that appear (from Earth) within a certain segment of the Zodiac. As I have said before, the signs of the Zodiac (even the Sidereal Zodiac) do not always align exactly with the constellations. The meaning derived from a particular planet or celestial phenomenon appearing in a particular zodiacal sign is the result of observations over a long period of time. Astrology has survived because it has proved useful.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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I do and I am always defending it


I did my natal chart again today and it was really insane...it's me to a T! It oddly enough depicts everything in my life which is depressing and hopeful at the same time.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Excellent post, Kokatsi. I'm not familiar with Tibetan Astrology. Sounds very intriguing!

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by drakus
Another doubt i had: When you go to one of those sites where you input your birthdates & time & birthplace, and it calculates the chart. Does the inclusion of this 13th sign changes anything about that readings?
I always get mixed up in these subjects.
Thanks!

Drakus.


Hi Drakus, it depends on the software being used. As I've said before, Ophiuchus is NOT new. It's always been a part of Scorpio. Some want to separate it. If you want, you can U2U me with your birth data and I'll plug it in for you. I'll give you Tropical & Sidereal (Lahiri).

Ophiuchus affects those born between Nov 29 to Dec 15, on the Sidereal.

SeaWind
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by new_here
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Hi SeaWind, I went to the site and put in my info, and WOW it was freaky true (well, er, except for the part about me being organized and neat-as-a-pin, lol!) But seriously, otherwise, wow. If you get a chance, I would love to hear more, so I'll post my info...

April 27, 1961
8:00 AM
Camden, South Carolina

Like... what's the future hold?!




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by SeaWind

Originally posted by drakus
Another doubt i had: When you go to one of those sites where you input your birthdates & time & birthplace, and it calculates the chart. Does the inclusion of this 13th sign changes anything about that readings?
I always get mixed up in these subjects.
Thanks!

Drakus.


Hi Drakus, it depends on the software being used. As I've said before, Ophiuchus is NOT new. It's always been a part of Scorpio. Some want to separate it. If you want, you can U2U me with your birth data and I'll plug it in for you. I'll give you Tropical & Sidereal (Lahiri).

Ophiuchus affects those born between Nov 29 to Dec 15, on the Sidereal.

SeaWind
edit on 16-1-2011 by SeaWind because: (no reason given)

Ok, cool!
I'll write them here, don't worry about privacy, i don't think i'll ever meet any of the people here in "real life" nor am I a very interesting subject, blacklisting-wise


DEC-11 1984 - 07:30 AM
City of Buenos Aires (Argentina):
Lat: 34° 36' 47.05"S
Long: 58° 27' 30"W
In fact those are the coordinates for the hospital where i was born
(thanks, googleearth).

Thanks!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by new_here
reply to post by SeaWind
 
Hi SeaWind, I went to the site and put in my info, and WOW it was freaky true (well, er, except for the part about me being organized and neat-as-a-pin, lol!) But seriously, otherwise, wow. If you get a chance, I would love to hear more, so I'll post my info...

April 27, 1961
8:00 AM
Camden, South Carolina

Like... what's the future hold?!



Hi New_here, just looked at your Sidereal chart. Did you read my first 3 posts on this thread that explain the difference? Here's the basic info:

Your Ascendant is Taurus (Fixed Earth) ruled by Venus. Your Venus is a beautiful Exalted Venus in Pisces, buttressed by a nice Quintile to a strong Saturn in Capricorn. It's also loosely Trined to Uranus.

Your Moon is in Virgo, Sextiled to Mars, close Trine to a strong Saturn and loosely Trined to a Fallen Jupiter in Capricorn.

Your Sun is in Aries, conjoined with Mercury, closely Squared to Jupiter & Saturn conjoined in Capricorn. Your Sun is in Opposition to Neptune, Trined to both Pluto & the North Node.

I would be surprised if you are not at least pretty. In any case, you have a large, compassionate heart. Probably love animals, especially small ones. You are a natural "Earth Mother." I suspect artistic skill or creative talent. Especially sensitive to beauty in all it's forms -- love of music & dance?

There are problems though: tendency to float off in to dreamland, but you are sensitive to the Invisible Realm. Possible problems in completing education. Overall, not a bad chart.

I don't have time to do a full reading. And as for predicting your future, that requires looking at your transits, progressions and dashas -- too time-consuming. Hope what I gave mignt help.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Drakus, I just peeked at your chart. Interesting chart. I'm taking a break. Will be back in 30 minutes.

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Except that none of those things you mentioned actually makes sense in context. How do events at the subatomic level change my behavior?
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I apologize if my cursory post has led to more misunderstandings.

The reference to quantum mechanics was in relation to the manner in which celestial bodies are viewed by astrologers as both waves and particles. For instance, the planets act as particles in the natal birth chart, but act as waves in tansits and progressions to the natal charts.




How is it that not a single study has show astrology to be valid?


I am not a studious apologist for astrology, as my interest in verfiying the validity of this field is limited to being able to participate in reasonable dialogues with non-astrologers.

However, I may add that perhaps it is a challenge to quantify astrology's usefulness as a tool for understanding of ourselves and others, the inner motives that drive us, the attractions and dislikes, the aspirations and dreams, and the whole kaleidesope of the human personality.




What do fractals have to do with anything here?


Astrology deals with complex mathematical patterns, and patterns found in one area are applied in related areas. Astrology recognizes the fractal property of self-similarity.




Why are you mentioning "holography"?


Astrology represents pictures of the whole cosmos, or at least that portion of it whose measurements are recorded in the ephemerides. Astrology deals with the holographic universe, as opposed to being limited to linear observations. It incorporates space, time, and cycles of space and time in grand "holographic" configurations.




And what do you mean by 'synchronicity'?


This refers to the acausal principle, in this case to the relationship between real world events and the symbolic representations of the astrological findings.

Anyone who has spent some time in tracking transits and progressions to their own chart cannot but help be impressed by the overwhelming synchronicity between what the configurations symbolize and what is happening.

One single personal example among thousands:

When transiting Neptune (rules water and floods among other things) conjoined my chart's mideheaven (rules public career), my store was completely flooded during a surprise flash flooding in the center of my town. This is what I regard as a prime example of synchronicity. The one did not cause the other, but there is a relationship between them.

No doubt I have raised more questions for you than answered them to your satisfaction, but I will do my best with my very limited knowledge.

(To the astrologers reading this, I have a natal Mercury/Neptune conjunction, so you may appreciate the challenge I face putting concrete form to the concepts in my head.


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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by SeaWind
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Drakus, I just peeked at your chart. Interesting chart. I'm taking a break. Will be back in 30 minutes.

SeaWind


Ok, thanks again!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Its always disappointing.. this is the reason I never cared for astrology.AI have had charts done online for grins and its absolutely NOT me in any way.
Its not denial either.. its simply NOT me.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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Mysticnoon, thanks for another excellent post. Mercury conjunct Neptune, very interesting aspect. Just by "coincidence" the chart I'm looking at now (Drakus) has that too. Of course, as you know, the meaning of this conjunction can be modified by the signs & houses involved. Great story about the Neptune transit hitting the MC and flooding at your business!

SeaWind



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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Thank you.

You may not be as pleased to find out that I am an ex-siderealist.

I spent the first 14 years (half of a Saturn cycle) of my studies as an avid sidereal astrologer, probably for many of the reasons presented in your posts and those of others on ATS.

Then, out of the blue, (a powerful Uranus hit, from memory), I had an epiphany, and from that moment forward practiced only tropical astrology.

This happened 17 years ago, so I simply cannot recall the convictions and realizations I had which turned my astrology world upside down. However, I do believe that both tropical and sidereal astrologies are valid in their own rights. The underlying basis is the same, only the frame of reference differs by a number of degrees.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
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What you should know:
The celestial bodies are so far away from us that we cannot rationally conceive of the notion in one step. The only bodies that have any real effect on us are the sun (obvious for anyone who understand photosynthesis and sunburns), the moon (tides), and Jupiter (scoops up some asteroids here and there, it's how it has so many moons). The rest are just nice to look at.

I mean, seriously, what's the means by which a star, a constellation, or anything else in the night sky can change something about someone's life?

And how the hell is any of this philosophical?

Edit: One last thing, Ptolemy? Seriously? You're going to take the word of the guy who came up with the model of the universe in which our planet was at the center on matters of astronomy? This is why I can't even get close to respecting this sort of stuff, you're not just working from outdated information, you're working from information that basically everyone knows is outdated.
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The universe works in mysterious ways.
Ever hear of infinite univrese theory? If there was infinite universes, than there's infinite possiblities, like flying pigs. Perhaps this is true. Or perhaps its just nice to follow and read. No need for the negativity





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