posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Greatest I am
reply to post by AQuestion
First. You say we cannot prove a material existence.
I can prove you wrong. Or better said. You can prove yourself wrong.
Take your finger and poke yourself in the eye. If there is pain then I have proven my point.
Second. You have not proven much of anything yet let alone God. You seem to think that I do not believe in the existence of a Godhead. I do. It is
just not the God you believe in. I cannot prove my belief even though I have had an apotheosis and was hoping beyond hope that you could give me
something to prove my belief. You have yet to do so.
Care to add something to what you wrote that will.
LMAO, pain does not prove materialism. Why don't you try physics? Pain is a emotional experience not a physical one, it is completely
subjective. I don't really care if you believe in God or anything, it is saying that others cannot know that is the problem. All knowledge is not
limited to what you believe, or what I believe.
Each of us is free to examine and come to our own conclusions. In the end our conclusions begin and end with our personal observations, the only thing
we can be sure of. You did not address sentience as being part of the evidence. Observations can be delusional, the fact that we observe cannot be. My
original post and last posts both were about not arguing "religion" or "the church"; but, instead beginning to ask yourself the more fundamental
questions about existence. To argue that sentience is the beginning point.
99% of the threads on "religion" are about dogma. They don't address the reason for people's personal beliefs, their experience. I think we can do
better and go back to first principals. Why are people afraid of the answer to the question, Bill Maher says he doesn't care what the answer is,
intelligent people through history have asked the question regardless of the answers they found, it is the most important question. The question of
who and what we are and whether or not others have sentience.
You mention that you believe in God, why? I ask why you believe in God, I gave my answer. Most people's beliefs in God are because they like the
answer it provides, it "feels" right. I look to what philosophers throughout history have looked at, our self aware experience. It proves something
beyond the material, examining the nature of sentience, our own sentience provides answers.