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posted on Jul, 10 2004 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller
The US didn't invade Iraq because Bush had a pre-emptive policy. The policy made no difference whatsoever. The US was going in whatever.
[edit on 10-7-2004 by Leveller]


Ok. Please tell me why US invaded Iraq in plain and simple words. US was going into Iraq for no reason?




posted on Jul, 10 2004 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Johannmon
Kim Il sicko is a nasty vile man and he has raped the NK people for years. When the day of reackoning comes it will be justice served and people freed just as in Iraq. I am proud of what America has done to keep the world free and I will defend our right as protector of freedom. We have spilt blood for our enemies people to prosper. What other nation has ever done that? What other nation returns soverignty to conquered territories willingly, even anxiously. What other nation holds itself accountable for its mistakes and wrongs doing all that is possible to correct them? Yet people in despotic totalitarian freedom denying nations are duped into defending this kind of tyranny by propaganda and foolish theoretical arguments that have no basis in reality but only stand up in a sociology classroom.


Bush will be very happy to see so many blind followers like you. Do you know how many collateral damages in Iraq and Afganistan? How many Iraqi children died in Iraq from your Humane sanctions?

You are so proud of your Democrazy. What Haiti democratically elected President had to leave his country? Why the dictators in Africa, Central Asia, and Arab can still hold their appresion, and are allies of US?

If US so concerned of human rights, why US do not care the thousands people dying in Sudan? US only concerns of human right of those nations that do not follow the orders from Washington. Plain and Simple.



posted on Jul, 10 2004 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
Remember, just becouse u are paranoid, doen't mean they are NOT out to get u! If I were N.Korea and realizing I have badly overplayed my had with the nuclear issue and realized that 7 US battle groups were within striking range of me, I would be afraid too.


There is a recent news says that a U2 spyplane crashed near Soul. Another news says that NK is deploying missiles in 3000-4000 km range. They are anticipating and preparing for US attack.



posted on Jul, 10 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng

Bush will be very happy to see so many blind followers like you. Do you know how many collateral damages in Iraq and Afganistan? How many Iraqi children died in Iraq from your Humane sanctions?



How much collateral damage there was in Iraq in Afganistan. Way less then 90% of the countries on the planet if they went to war. The US and England are at the forefront of smart and percision weapons. There is always going to be collateral damage in wars to think that wars can be fought without any collateral damage is just Ignorant



posted on Jul, 10 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
How much collateral damage there was in Iraq in Afganistan. Way less then 90% of the countries on the planet if they went to war. The US and England are at the forefront of smart and percision weapons. There is always going to be collateral damage in wars to think that wars can be fought without any collateral damage is just Ignorant


You think they worth less than your pets? Even though US and England are armed with the best weapons, do you know how many are permanently wounded like lost a limb or two.



posted on Jul, 10 2004 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng


Bush will be very happy to see so many blind followers like you. Do you know how many collateral damages in Iraq and Afganistan? How many Iraqi children died in Iraq from your Humane sanctions?


It is a sad fact of a cruel world that children must die in defence of children. But to say that the war is evil or wrong because there were accidental deaths of children in a war fought to remove a man who routinely killed and maimed children, even using them as intruments of torture on their parents is asinine.


Originally posted by zcheng

You are so proud of your Democrazy. What Haiti democratically elected President had to leave his country? Why the dictators in Africa, Central Asia, and Arab can still hold their appresion, and are allies of US?


While many in the USA believe democracy to be one of the best forms of government it is not the only valid one. A dictator can be relatively benign to his country or only marginally harmful. When a dictator crosses the line and starts torturing and killing his own people he/she forfiets the right to rule.


Originally posted by zcheng

If US so concerned of human rights, why US do not care the thousands people dying in Sudan? US only concerns of human right of those nations that do not follow the orders from Washington. Plain and Simple.


The USA has shed blood for Africa and the tribal conflicts like the ones in Sudan. Do you recall Somalia? Furthermore the United States continues to press for resolution to these matter. I will say this about the US efforts to further human rights, the USA can never fix all the worlds problems. What our country does is similar to what police do in the inner city. They arrest who they can get to first and work their way up and down the list of offenders as opportunity arises. There are some inconsistancies in the way the US has gone after rogue nations but these are not without reasonable explanation.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Johannmon
It is a sad fact of a cruel world that children must die in defence of children. But to say that the war is evil or wrong because there were accidental deaths of children in a war fought to remove a man who routinely killed and maimed children, even using them as intruments of torture on their parents is asinine.


Johannmon, glad that you share some sympathy who lost their life of this invasion.

My original question is about the number of children died because of santion for more than 10 years. Because of lack of medicine and equipment, there were over 1 million Iraqi children died. They are not accidental deaths, but humane slaughter by US and UK.

I do not know how many more Iraqi children will die and how many will be born handicapped because of the Depleted Uranium used by US. I simply can not stand that you can kill a person, and declare you are the Saint to relief them.



While many in the USA believe democracy to be one of the best forms of government it is not the only valid one. A dictator can be relatively benign to his country or only marginally harmful. When a dictator crosses the line and starts torturing and killing his own people he/she forfiets the right to rule.

You are so rare in US that understand Democrazy is not always best, and Some form of firm control of a nations destination is not always bad.



The USA has shed blood for Africa and the tribal conflicts like the ones in Sudan. Do you recall Somalia? Furthermore the United States continues to press for resolution to these matter.


Yes, US shed a few precious US soldiers in Somali and know that enough. Where was US when Rwanda Ethnic Cleansing claimed tens of thousand of lifes. The point I want to make that US only selectively feel obliged to act in strategic areas like former Yugoslavia and Iraq.



I will say this about the US efforts to further human rights, the USA can never fix all the worlds problems. What our country does is similar to what police do in the inner city.


Is it from God that US has the right to be world police? I think it is more that the head of a mafia, which will coerce those that do not want to pay protection fee.

Whatever, those are my opinions only.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:00 AM
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My original question is about the number of children died because of santion for more than 10 years. Because of lack of medicine and equipment, there were over 1 million Iraqi children died


If they died because of a lack of sanitation or medicine and equipment the blame lies soley and completely at Saddam's feet. He had plenty of money in his coffers to bribe UN officials, to build great palaces for himself, to run a huge secret police network dedicated to stomping out any hint of disent in his nation. If money was not spent on the people of his nation he is to blame.

Second I wonder what your alternative is to address the crimes of evil despots. If the US were to do nothing who would step up? Don't try to tell me you believe in the UN. The UN has never in its history done anything substantial in any theatre without the US in the lead financing and sending its troops first and most prominently into harms way. Or should we leave the little dictators alone in order to allow the meglomaniacs to build power unchecked and start a 3rd world war that the powers of freedom may loose. The Chinese people would be speaking Japanese if it were not for US intervention. The french would be speaking German the Egyptians would be speaking Italian, the palistinians would not exist under that name, and the Israelis would not exist at all. If there is no great power there is no great peace. If there is a great power that shirks its responsibilty to peace and freedom there is no lasting peace and freedom. You should thank whatever higher power you believe in that He has at least to this date used the USA to maintian the peace and prosperity that the world has enjoyed. Is it perfect peace and prosperity? Certainly not, but it is a greater measure of peace and prosperity that would have existed without the USA. The biggest kid on the block is always seen by some to be a bully even if he is just defending the helpless.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
You think they worth less than your pets? Even though US and England are armed with the best weapons, do you know how many are permanently wounded like lost a limb or two.


Its a war. People get hurt. Zcheng you need to examine your own self. In other posts you seem willing to kill everyone in Taiwan to forcible reunify the country. I find it strange that you are willing to commit genocide in Tibet, destroy Taiwan, kill peacefull protestors in Tienneman square and on and on yet you seem worried about civilian deaths in the middle of a war zone. Funny.........



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
There is a recent news says that a U2 spyplane crashed near Soul. Another news says that NK is deploying missiles in 3000-4000 km range. They are anticipating and preparing for US attack.


More likely Kim will try a Saddam like launch at Japan etc. Defensive measures.

The north's stated goal is reunification by force if need be and has massed an army on the DMZ for that expressed reason. ZCheng, do you see the similarities? Both you and Kim are willing to kill to satisfy your territorial ambitions. Wonder you you sleep at night.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
North Korea is simply preparing for US attack. Your morons think that North Korea does not even have the right to defend herself?


North Korea is a girl? I was not aware of that.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by TACHYON

Originally posted by zcheng
North Korea is a girl? I was not aware of that.


Maybe our buddy Kim Il (I be Illing) Jong runs around in a hose and skirt like J edgar hoover



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 02:43 AM
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LOL, yea we have many more nukes for a faster strike and the subs at sea. Makes the NK's real nervous.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by zchengMy original question is about the number of children died because of santion for more than 10 years.

You are so rare in US that understand Democrazy is not always best, and Some form of firm control of a nations destination is not always bad.



you mean UN sanctions proposed by the UN? not america but the UN...

and yes a dictator has always been proven to be very bad, not even your china has a dictator that runs it all by himself.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
Ok. Please tell me why US invaded Iraq in plain and simple words. US was going into Iraq for no reason?


Oil



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng

My original question is about the number of children died because of santion for more than 10 years. Because of lack of medicine and equipment, there were over 1 million Iraqi children died. They are not accidental deaths, but humane slaughter by US and UK.

You are so rare in US that understand Democrazy is not always best, and Some form of firm control of a nations destination is not always bad.

Yes, US shed a few precious US soldiers in Somali and know that enough. Where was US when Rwanda Ethnic Cleansing claimed tens of thousand of lifes. The point I want to make that US only selectively feel obliged to act in strategic areas like former Yugoslavia and Iraq.

Is it from God that US has the right to be world police? I think it is more that the head of a mafia, which will coerce those that do not want to pay protection fee.


It was 500,000 children and the sanctions were put by the UN not the US, Clinton just agreed with the sanctions, he was too busy with Lewinsky...well she was the busy one....

The US is not a democracy is a republic with a representative democracy, and its a whole lot better than a dictatorship/communism/true socialism. Why do I know? I was born in a communist country and was raised there til i was 8. I visited my family there in 2001, and its the same hellhole with the same moron as a dictator.

In the Rwanda genocide Clinton was in office...again....and he did not want to deal with anything except calling certain 22-23 year old intern to his office....

The US wolrd police? No, but we sure need to take care of whoever threatens us or is helping terrorists to attack us.

oh and btw, how many people have died because of communism? Too many to mention? ok, how about in communist China? still too many?

Let me help you...China was second after Russia's i mean U.S.S.R's 54,769,000 domestic deaths by communism. China(PRC) had 35,236,000 domestic deaths from 1949-1987. 375,000 deaths were genocide. Oh and lets not Forget KMT with 10,075,000 deaths from 1928-1949.

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posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 04:59 AM
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Please don't leave out Pol Pot. While the 2,000,000 plus figure pales to Mao and his massacres, it still is a communist system that was supported in part by the ChiComs



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Johannmon
If they died because of a lack of sanitation or medicine and equipment the blame lies soley and completely at Saddam's feet. He had plenty of money in his coffers to bribe UN officials, to build great palaces for himself, to run a huge secret police network dedicated to stomping out any hint of disent in his nation. If money was not spent on the people of his nation he is to blame.


Those children died because of the lack of medicine and medical equipment due to sanction, not money. The UN is ready to relieve the santions, but US and UK will not allow it to do so. US and UK are enforcing so called no fly zone, apparently prepare for future attack which occur in march 2003.




Second I wonder what your alternative is to address the crimes of evil despots. If the US were to do nothing who would step up? Don't try to tell me you believe in the UN. The UN has never in its history done anything substantial in any theatre without the US in the lead financing and sending its troops first and most prominently into harms way. Or should we leave the little dictators alone in order to allow the meglomaniacs to build power unchecked and start a 3rd world war that the powers of freedom may loose.


Simply because of US position in UN, UN can not do its job effectively. How many times does US vetoed or threatened to veto the resolution concerning Israel and Palestine? The alternative is to strengthen UN, not weaken UN as US is always doing.



The Chinese people would be speaking Japanese if it were not for US intervention.


You sure feel great. Do you know when Japan invaded China, and when US entered WWII? US was benefiting from both sides before entering war on December 7, 1941. China had resisted Japan for more than 4 years. Japan was no wear near control of China, due to the vast area of China, Japan forces was spread thin. Most of Japan Army was in China theatre, those attacking others were mainly navy. US contribution is to shorten the time to victory in China theatre. So we do thank you.

Concerning others, maybe. But you also have to see that when US entered the war, Soviet Union had repelled invasion of Germany, German had no more power to invade others. It was just time before the Soviet Union can liberate other parts of Europe.

Do not maximize US contribution and marginalize others contribution.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by TACHYON
North Korea is a girl? I was not aware of that.


Is US your motherland?



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
Its a war. People get hurt. Zcheng you need to examine your own self. In other posts you seem willing to kill everyone in Taiwan to forcible reunify the country. I find it strange that you are willing to commit genocide in Tibet, destroy Taiwan, kill peacefull protestors in Tienneman square and on and on yet you seem worried about civilian deaths in the middle of a war zone. Funny.........


Do you ever want to die for US, if US was invaded?
War is hell. In terms of Taiwan, do not instigate the War on US part. China do not want war, but when war is forced on us, we do not fear anyone.






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