reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady
Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by pthena
You are also forgiving when it comes to the zionists in the sense of not giving up on them. On this last point I disagree with you. I do not think
zionists can be saved because they are self worshiping racial supremacists. Could you give up on God? I doubt it in the same way I think the self
worshiping zionist could abandon their frighting ideology.
Giving up on Zionists is giving up on people. The anti-zionist religious Jews are still Zionists in the sense that "some day, when our lesson of exile
is complete, we will be called home, us and the rest of the 12 tribe confederacy of Israel." This is also a large part of Christianity. Christians
believe that the Messiah is now sitting on a throne in heaven, and some day that throne will come to Earth with the Messiah. Notice the time and
spatial aspects: sometime (when we have been purified, for we are not yet pure) this will happen.
Contrast that with the present, right now, manifestation of Zionism. "We are already chosen kings of the Earth, we need no humility, no repentance,
all we need is to grab all that we have been promised, killing all who stand in our way." This is, of course, a crude representation, but accurate
nevertheless in the way it manifests in some people's behavior and words.
I think that the impunity from prosecution they enjoy leaves no incentive to change. That hateful expressions of Zionism exist is an indictment
against the rife corruption which seems to pervade the halls and boardrooms of power today.
reply to post by searching4truth
Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by pthena
I can agree with much of what you said, although I am monotheist.
My fear is that the Zionists have sold many people on the idea that they are not committing genocide (which I believe that they are) but they are
simply "protecting" themselves, they attempt to justify their actions by claiming they are always acting defensively.
Now, the UN has passed numerous resolutions condemning their actions, but nothing will be done about it because 1.) there is a vast number of Zionist
infiltrators in our government 2. they have convinced the American Evangelical population to give all in support of Israel, money and life if
To fix this, we need do away with dual citizenship, especially in cases of government officials. I am not comfortable with any government worker not
pledging sole allegiance to the country they serve, in my case the USA. We also need to get rid of AIPAC, they have far more influence than lobbiest
group needs or deserves.
I'm not sure how to fix the religious issue, I guess I must hope that once we remove the Zionist influence from the top it will trickle down.
There is a monotheistic God that people have that starts with the beginning principle as being all loving and all wise. That One is far beyond human
understanding. As we grow in understanding and in our capacity to love, we know Him better. We come to realize that old manners of thought and
behavior are something we can go beyond. As we progress in love, we leave behind iron age notions of God, and become more selective in reading old
texts to find what still reflects an understanding of God which is still better than us. We expect our deity to be ever better than we are ourselves.
We expect that one day we will be like Him.
The above described monotheistic God is One that many people cherish in their hearts, Good and Nourishing and Teaching, ever spurring people on to
better themselves and better the conditions for those around them. I like that God, and hope that such a One really IS.
Now contrast that with another monotheistic god, whose monotheistic nature exists only in his own claim to be the one. It is said that he wrote his
name in stone back in the iron age. It is said that he bound himself to scripture. If he were honest he would describe this iron chain thus:
"I wear the chain I forged in life," replied the Ghost. "I made it link by link, and yard by yard; I girded it on of my own free will, and of my
own free will I wore it. Is its pattern strange to you?"
. . .
"Business!" cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again. "Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance,
and benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!"
- Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol-
The fundamentalists worship this chained god, who is trapped in his own stone and vellum writings, never to grow, never to become even as good and
decent as a human. As Jesus said, not a jot or tittle to change. For the rest of time every racist statement, every call to stone sabbath breakers to
death, every call to commit ethnic cleansing remains, and that self-proclaimed monotheistic god can never move past it.
This is why Jesus said, "A new commandment I give you, to love one another". Love is unbound. Love can grow. Love can become better informed over the
ages as man learns what is good and profitable for humanity as a whole.
Search, and search the Christian scriptures. You will find no command for a man to kill another man for any reason. Jesus at least left a great enough
impact and imprint on Christianity so that that at least is true.
I like the practical solutions you suggest.
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