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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by 7thsignofthezodiac
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I believe they (extraterrestrials) are our physical creators but they are not our gods, i think we and all the extraterrestrials together share a god - or a force, whatever you wanna call it - that creates life in the universe on the physical an spiritual realm.....


I'm sorry for such a delayed reaction here, but....reading over responses...
I wanted to quote you on this, because, surely there has got to be (I hate to say this) a higher power. But who?
The only 'leaks' we have had regardless of the bible (apologies to those who live by bible, I mean no offence) are from people corrupted anyway. Not their fault, but who is to say who is pure, or unpure?

I think I am chasing ghosts here, but really refreshing (and I mean that) to read other points of view.
Love to all of you.




posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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What a coincidence, I'm also 26 (well for the next few weeks at least lol) but as you said, it was only when I made up my mind after a year of wondering whether religion and walking that path was right or not that I ultimately ended up back where I started and feeling less confused for it.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by yak055h
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By definition is God not an Extraterrestial? Is God not an ET to all other planitary civilizations he/she created? Wherever God is from, and however/whenever he/she created us, she/he is still God. One thing that can't be debated is that the ET/God that created us is definately a "higher power".


Another great angle to look at it from.
But who is god?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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@ OneLife,

The bang hasn't happened yet though.. The collapse of this old run down system of war and hell. If my opinion counts for anything, I love ya sis

I feel the collapse is well under way though as we speak, more so now than ever. And I Love you too bro, and I wish more people would say that, open up and love instead of hate.

Thankyou for your fantastic reply.



@Unknown Soldier,

Religion has been abused

I couldn't agree more.

This does not mean there is not a Creator of everything , to me the Creator is a force we can not see and even these beings are probably limited to understanding exactly what it is and how it works exactly.

I don't think anyone will ever know who or what the force is. I can only hope that one day, we will get closer to understanding it.

People seem to be stuck in the thinking that these beings can only be super natural and not of flesh and blood. There really is a issue of interpretation being the problem.

I think people are scared to open their minds to something so unknown, scared to look at all of the possibility's, and believe what they were told as children, right through to adulthood and death - without ever looking deeper. Again, because they are scared.

God Is an Astronaut

*giggles* I absolutely love it! Thankyou for your reply.


@Okandetre,

Always be skeptical.

I like to think that I am always skeptical, I like to pick things apart, for the sake of truth.
I am just enjoying the possibility right now, of the thought of ET's being our god. Enjoying looking through facts, and seeing where they match up in this idea.
Thankyou for your reply



@Curious7,

I'm also 26

We're getting old!!! *giggles*

I'm glad you took the walk, and explored a little, ending up less confused. We are all different, and what works for one, won't work for another. The main thing, is to end up being comfortable with what you believe.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by Violater1
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Mr Carr uses the word "Armageddon" which is actually Har Megiddo. Megiddo was the location of many decisive battles in ancient times (including one in the 15th century BC and one in 609 BC). This will be the site of the last battle, where Samanji (satan) will be defeated.



There will be no physical battle in an exact location. Megiddo is symbolic. The battle is spiritual, not physical. The decision to be made is each individuals personal choice. Those who choose man made rule and this "beast" system of commercialism will perish.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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I would say that for a very long time in our very Ancient past God/Gods/and Goddesses were active in our lives. It wasn't as if we were primitive because the structures that are the evidence of this past tell us otherwise, but for some reason there seems to be a direct contact with our Lords and then suddenly a common man was a Lord or a King or an Emperor (Pope). Why were we abandoned?

The astronauts, upon leaving Earth's hold on their way to the Moon discovered something uncanny; it is documented that each and everyone of them had some sort of "spiritual" experience. One account read as a direct link to a super-consciousness within (my words), where-in they sought the answer to a problem and suddenly the solution was given to them directly into their minds.

Is it possible the Earth is shielded in such a manner that we have been cut off so that we have to stumble, so we have to fail and try and possibly succeed (although fail seems highly likely in most circumstances).

Have you ever heard that "no idea is a unique idea", that as one person is formulating an idea, across the planet several people are receiving the very same information? It is the person that moves forward with the idea that can make it happen. So often people say, "I thought of that same thing, I should be rich too", but they did not act on the idea so it did not come to fruition. I think I have run into this personally, and almost daily in so many aspects of my life. I am a receiver much like we all are but some are more sensitive to others. The real question arises about who is the sender and to what extent would they offer us such gifts--at what cost?

I have read the Terra Papers which could very well be a "take" on Stitchen's work or otherwise, but when I came to the part where the Moon is actually non-Earth in origin and that it is quite possibly hollow with the likes of "greys", or what have you, watching and guiding us because that is why they were brought here (as slaves themselves, this realm or otherwise (( I say this because Greys are Demons in my understanding)). The idea of the Moon actually being the instrument which prevents Humans from talking to GOD or our lesser creators called God seems more plausible to me.

Where does this leave the OP in her quest for answers? LOL I don't know! I do not recommend Religion, it is far too young and they are using Ancient Knowledge as they see fit without full disclosure of all materials (this part is obvious!). Religion is about control, it is about moral values that may have been crucial but in the wake of Modernization hardly working. Religion today is about Money! Yet the texts upon which Religions are based cannot be denied, so what can we accept?

I think that if there are any true Prophets left for Mankind, not Psychics, not Channelers, but true Prophets (being connected directly to the Source), that there are only two left. The two Witnesses!

If Antony Carr is one of these, then he will be killed in front of the Kings of the World who have gathered under the King of Kings , who declares himself GOD. It is as it is written because we are a "collective" in our attempts at reaching GOD. We cannot deny the ability of "Manifesting" in our lives and we cannot deny anyone their beliefs. All religions are of the One! All of them from the Source, but Mankind is controlled through Religion much as you would control a beast of burden or a pet.

Sadly, each of us is disconnected to some degree. No one is fully open to the Whole Truth, yet! In the meantime, together, we create our Future. We simply believe in it. We do not deny the other person their Paradigm because that is part of it all, they are creating their reality as you are creating yours; the thing to do is to stop being a participant in a reality other than your own making! We can simply be observers to others rather than being participants in their "Madnesses" (my word). This is why some people are surrounded by happiness and others are surrounded by hatred; it is what they manifest or what is forcibly manifested through them. (I say forcibly because most people do not think, they are indoctrinated and they are consumed by their programming).

Anyone can step out of the cycle and start creating, start Manifesting, allow the stories and tales, wishes and dreams to unfold around you. Select what "feels" right to you but be open to allow GOD to reach you from within, not from without! Take the things that do not work and discard them out of your life, this means people too, and do not allow the infiltration of another person's programming upon you. This seems a secular thing to do, but really it is another collective, another path of people, ideas, and concepts; because eventually we all find out we have always been on the same path.

So many individuals seeking fame and fortune. So many individuals thinking they have the answer to our Future and it is making them Money! (religious or otherwise)

I believe all must play out, but I choose to step out of that cycle and start working on forgiving myself and all those around me. I choose to ask for forgiveness from any Source with Love and Protection and I will reference our Lords as what they truly are, our Creators, but I say this with the attention of the One Source of All, the Awe, the GOD Almighty, the very Force that opened the Universe within the Fabric of the Multiverse!

Some will find their Heaven on Earth. Some will find the ethereal Heaven Above (even the 30 virgin version), and some will find that they have been duped into giving their souls away because they did not manifest accordingly. It is not a gift as much as it is a curse of man to be so talented, especially for such a violent being as humans are, but we will discover our Peace and our Tranquility amongst ourselves if we try, then we might get a glimpse of the real Creator above all of the rest. We will become Co-Creators Collectively! We get to choose!

I am sorry to say that Anthony Carr is not going to like his World with all his Money, he sees the Worst because he is tapping into that Manifesting Energy that creates those things that usher the masses to the Abyss!

S&F



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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We can't abandon our Mother (Earth) as this progresses either with promises to take us elsewhere. She to is living and going through changes, needing help from her children of all variety. Lots of people would FLIP if they knew we were the result of cloning like we do with pigs but it's fact. But we also chose this for growth.


It is very refreshing to read someone who thinks like I do. I too am conscious of the Great Mother, and know she is hurting right now, going through her death throes and the pain of childbirth, getting ready to bring forth a new world. I too think the Enki, Enlil, Thoth, and Innanna were the ones who created these "containers," but that being said, that which is out Immortal Spirit is a part of the Divine Spirit that is everywhere and in everything. I too was dragged to church every Sunday, twice, and every Wednesday, rain, snow, or shine, and all I heard was a red faced human spouting hellfire and damnation on everyone in the world, especially those who listed to rock and roll and smoked the evil weed. I am a curious sort, and an avid reader, and that thing right there brought be knowledge of Nibiru and the Annunnaki, and Ancient Sumeria, the first civilization of the world during this Cycle. I believe it was the Annunaki that created religion for mankind, and provided the various holy books that humans cling to so tightly. I also believe that one day the Annunaki will return, and show people that they are our creators...they will attempt to make us believe that we are one, spirit and body, but we are not one, we just live together.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Hi Greensage,
Thankyou for your response, it was very informative, and a really enlightening read.

I wish I could give it more than just one star! Many thanks to you!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Thankyou for clearing that up for me!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Thank you Wildeagle, that star was my Day!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Thank you so much for that post, very enlightening.

I think it could benefit everybody to at least consider the possibility that what we're taught from birth could be wrong and that our origins are possibly so fantastic that it will be difficult to comprehend and yet there are those of us who are very open and very accepting of those ideas at the same time.

The very thought of our ever advancing knowledge and sciences along with the way evolution has played its part over time points to the notion that our creator(s) might possibly be extraterrestrial in nature. That idea becoming as widespread as it has recently seems to point out that perhaps there maye even a shred of truth in that?

And Wildeagle, agree with that, startin to feel old already lol



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Predictions are easy to make but hard to make come true. When I was reading the title 'our maker' it took me back to a moment in which time itself did not exist yet. In which matter and anti-matter where not in place and even the concept 'space' did not exist. A moment from which nothing existed in no-time and got ended when the first law of nature made it to end; 'The must be something' And with that time started to exist with the very first strains of ether.
Chaotic ether lining up and forming reandom partterns before dissolving again for ages longer then this universe is old. Eventually it would for the first being a sort of 'proto 'god' you might say and it was the first to be of order and to make matter out of ether. It formed helpers that helped it to create more order and matter until the helpers thought of a plan and the very first universe was born'the 'proto-verse' and all including the proto-god were killed, all but one who was gifted with the ability to be selfish and it was he who would continue the dream of the proto-god when the proto-verse collapsed into itself.

Ow, but I'm dwindeling oftopic again. Such things are merely foolsthoughts in the eye of the new light called 'humans'.


Regerdless; Humanity will view the encounter more important thenit's would be makers. There is little to care about if you merely nudget the genetics a littlebit in the right direction. I wouldn't be all that surprised if the visit would turn out to be dissapointing for manklind when the alien race turns out to be rather pragmatical.Don't expect to much of it all.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Humanity source can be found in our hearts. No matter the many beliefs in any language or by what name people call their higher power they find their humanity in their hearts. It is sad that some sources lead to conflict and intolerance.


Peace.............yak055h



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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ETs I believe were misinterpreted "gods" yes (pages of evidence I could give regarding that), but I will make an attempt at proving scientifically (or at least deductively) that consciousness is our conceptual understanding of "god". This took me a while to put together (as a Mason, we typically enjoy doing papers like this as a hobby as we each seek to understand "god" in our own way), hope it helps. If you want to skip all the experiments, then I put a conclusion at the bottom.

Experiment 1: Consciousness effecting particles
Dr. Young's Double Slit Experiment involved a particle beam discharging photons through two closely positioned slits to measure the interference pattern on the other side (to see if light behaved like a wave or like individual particles, the later being expected). The photons (individual pieces of matter) behaved and produced a wave interference pattern! So to figure out how that happened, an interferometer (observer) was placed and the experiment ran again. This time however, the photons behaved like particles, not like a wave. The experiment was done over and over, each time there was an observer (even one for just 40 nanoseconds) the photons’ interference pattern was that of individual particles, but when there was no observer, it showed a wave pattern.
The insertion of the interferometer took only 40 nanoseconds (ns) while it would take 160 ns for the information about the configuration to travel from the interferometer to reach the photon before it entered the slits. This means in order for the photon to “know” if it was being watched, that information would have to travel at 4 times the speed of light.
What does this imply? The mere act of us observing particles changes their behavior (Wave-particle Theory) and that particle information travels infinitely fast (due to quantum entanglement when everything was once one single mass). Thoughts indeed have been proven to contain energy emitted in frequency. Every thought has a frequency. The whole universe, on a quantum level, is pure energy. Therefore our thoughts (energy frequency) can affect our not only our health but reality on a particle (energy) level and perhaps in the future much more.

Experiment 2: Collective consciousness effects on human behavior
Consciousness affects so much in fact that a study published in the peer-reviewed journal Social Indicators Research reports on one of the most dramatic sociological experiments ever undertaken. Researchers predicted in advance that the calming influence of group meditation practice could reduce violent crime by over 20 percent in Washington, D.C., during an 8-week period in the summer of 1993.
In fact, the findings later showed that the rate of violent crime--which included assaults, murders, and rapes--decreased by 23 percent during the June 7 to July 30 experimental period. The odds of this result occurring by chance are less than 2 in 1 billion. Rigorous statistical analyses ruled out an extensive list of alternative explanations, according to John Haglin, lead author of the study and director of the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Safety at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa.

Experiments 3 & 4: Bacteria and DNA
Bacteria (which contain DNA) are found everywhere. Volcanoes, Antarctica, miles below the Earth’s crust, nuclear reactors and even in deep space. Comets and meteors contain biological and organic mass as well (as discovered by Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe). Bacteria’s very specific spectrographic reading (its unique light signature) is seen in 99.9% of all space dust in our galaxy (as found by Dr. Francis Crick), meaning everywhere we look in our galaxy, we see DNA and life. Dr. Francis Crick, who discovered DNA, said “DNA is too complex to have ever evolved by chance or evolution. It has to be of some sort of intelligent design.”

Experiments 5 & 6: Spontaneous life and identical species
Numerous spontaneous life experiments were performed (creating living entities from nonliving molecules) by Dr. James Strick, Louis Pasteur etc. in which a hermitically sealed container held only nonliving material and yet life somehow managed to spontaneously create itself within.
Dr. Ignacio Ochoa Pacheco’s ultrastructural and light microscopy analysis of SAPA bions formation and growth in vitro experiment involved distilled water within a hermitically sealed container with added white hot luminescent sand (sterilized). What he found, after 5 days, was startling. Several different forms of multicellular organisms (DNA) were created spontaneously. Some even contained mouth parts and defense mechanisms against each other.
National Geographic’s study (International Census of Marine Life, 2009), showed that 235 identical species are found both at the North and the South Poles. This startled the scientific community. Life developed, two worlds apart, exactly the same, almost as though there’s an intelligent template involved in creation.

Conclusion:
So, what does the above mean and imply? Doesn’t life spontaneously forming disprove any notion of God creating us? Aren’t extraterrestrials being responsible for religions just more credence there’s no God? The short answer—no.

1) Consciousness affects particles’ behavior (on an extreme level, even their arrangement possibly) and thoughts are a measurable energy frequency.
2) Collective conscious affects human behavior.
3) DNA is "too complex to evolve by chance", yet does in just 5 days from non-living matter.
4) There is life throughout the galaxy (99.9% of space dust having identical spectrographic readings as germs and taking in consideration E.T. intelligences etc.).
5) There are identical species that evolved on two separate worlds (North and South pole) meaning there is intangible template energy involved that molded them.
6) Just the mere fact we’re allowed to exist on this world by superior sentient beings.

Take the above into consideration. The conclusion drawn is that a supreme consciousness (universal intelligence) must permeate all the universe. It exerts itself through DNA (by reforming molecules) to express it’s consciousness through living beings, which in turn, contribute to the overall universal intelligence (our concept of “God”) by experiencing life—and then upon death our intangible/eternal energy returns after having grown our own consciousness (thus adding to the accumulative energy of creation—but if we’re not ready to contribute, we are recycled/reincarnated—reincarnation in a few individuals has been proven beyond chance). Humans are allowed to inhabit this world by E.T. intelligences because we contribute to this universal intelligence in the small way we can and, though intellectually and spiritually inferior, are apart of the same grand design. Inferior yes, but we’re better at being human (Earth ones anyway) than anything else.

It is a mistake to anthropomorphize God. God is not a she, a he, or it. The concept of “God” is intelligent energy that permeates everything and anything that existed, exists or will exist.
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