Middle School Student Behavior, page 13


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reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 09:38 AM by WTFover
reply to post by Tayesin



You are correct. Encouraging children and teens to "fight the system" is asinine and dangerous. 99.9% of them (purely a speculative statistic) have been cared for their entire lives and lack the knowledge, skills, experience, etc. to make informed decisions about what are truly defects and flaws in "the system" and base their opinions only on what affects them on an emotional level. And, I expect most will agree, acting or reacting based solely on emotions seldom results in positive change.

Children/teens have had all of their needs supplied to them, without having to understand how. They have a warm bed and food on the table, supplied by others, shielding them from learning how to fend for themselves. They could not survive on their own, nor should they be expected to, because they have lived off the fruits of their parents/guardians, since birth. For those who doubt those statements, consider what draws runaways and neglected kids into gangs, prostitution and other destructive and/or criminal cultures.

Specifically, within the education system, kids have yet to learn what constitutes a good or bad education or a good or bad teacher. They have no experience or knowledge of the results of that system or teacher. They have never educated another person, therefor should not be judging the effectiveness of an educational curriculuum or tactic. When they say "That teacher sucks", they are only displaying their dissatisfaction, from an emotional perspective. They do not consider and will flatly ignore the fact that the same teacher may have several students who excel under their tutelage, while only a few do not. Unfortunately, those parents who encourage their students to rebel against "the system" also ignore the sensible approach and "emotionally" react to their own child's assumptions.

All of that may have just been an overly 'wordy' way of saying, I believe most educational blocks students blame on teachers and/or "the system" are, in reality, just self-imposed and perpetuated personality conflicts, with self fulfilling results.

If, on the first day of class, a student says "That teacher is dumb and he/she can't teach me anything", he/she will most likely not learn anything, regardless of the capabilities of the teacher.

Now, before some decide to break out the flame throwers, misinterpreting my statements, I have not said and do not believe children/teens are "stupid". If they do, they should go back and re-read the post.


reply posted on 21-1-2011 @ 03:26 PM by verylowfrequency
reply to post by SevenBeans



That was the point I had tried to make, that apparently nobody liked. There were monsters when I was in middle school many years back, yet mostly everyone got through it including the staff.

The only difference now is we have teachers who support the police state model, where drugging children going through natural hormonal changes & temporary imbalances is normal, punishments for minor things can be severe, punishments for major disturbances can destroy their lives forever. Even a food fight can lead to real criminal charges today whereas in my day it would of meant, suspensions, loss of cafeteria privileges or extra curricular activity's & probably scrubbing floors with toothbrushes etc.



reply posted on 10-2-2011 @ 04:26 AM by aero56
reply to post by SamTGonzalez



I certainly didn't raise anyone in this generation. Lately there has been a trend by several students to refuse to do their class work. Here is a quote from one of them : "No, I am not doing that assignment. I will take an "F" for the day." And another one; "I have a right to fail and you can't make me do this assignment." This is a scary trend. When the parents of these students were called, their response was to blame the teacher for the students lack of interest in doing the work.


reply posted on 10-2-2011 @ 01:17 PM by ghaleon12
Originally posted by G.A.G.
Originally posted by ghaleon12
Before kids could be controlled and made to act against who they really are, or their nature. Now with the internet, and cellphones, kids won't be able to be controlled. Hate to say it, but it more than likely is going to be a trend. The kids shouldn't change though, the schools need to change because they are a failure for everyone. Smaller class sizes, different learning environments...separating boys and girls honestly wouldn't be a bad idea since they tend to have different learning styles. It'd introduce some discipline just separating them.

In short, kids are going to exert more force than what schools will be able to exert back, therefore schools need to change and adapt.

Very good ghaleon12! What do you think about "jamming" devices, and webcams in every school that parents with internet access could monitor? I dont know enough about the pros and cons to say I am for or against. Also, I say this as possibly a "start", not that this is a "solution".


I think you'd have to use those sorts of devices that jam cellphones. Kids are already not really in school in some ways since their attention is elsewhere, add texting to the mix and I wouldn't think it'd work out too well. Make school good enough where students will want to focus. Probably not webcams though.

Smaller schools would be a big help. If people don't want them acting like animals, don't keep them in zoos.
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