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reply posted on 17-1-2011 @ 08:03 PM by beebs

reply to post by Arbitrageur

6/10 and 3/5 have exactly the same value before and after reduction. I have no problem with that and I do it all the time.

Yes, I agree with you on this point. However, his math is more 'natural' than that. Namely, that it is more about natural harmonics and ratios than it is decimal points. 2*6=3*4

At least, that is what I think he intuitively understands if he can't express it in his talks(an unfortunate problem).

YouTube Link

Compare it with alchemy, Keely, Dale Pond, Pauli, Tesla, etc.

You still cannot deny that he 'fits the curve' with all of the others I mentioned in my previous post.

reply posted on 17-1-2011 @ 08:11 PM by zerbot565

shiva dances might not bring new data to equation ,
non the less
dances

reply posted on 17-1-2011 @ 11:00 PM by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Reduction is a legitimate mathematical concept, that doesn't allow one to claim that 1+8=18.

I don't think he does it that way. He says things like 16=1+6=7, etc. I'm looking at his "Numerical Table of a Doubling Circuit."

His math looks similar to something I saw in a book written by Len Horowitz - I can't remember which one. I think Horowitz used the word "Pythagorean" in association with it.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 03:46 AM by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Reduction is a legitimate mathematical concept, that doesn't allow one to claim that 1+8=18.

I don't think he does it that way. He says things like 16=1+6=7, etc. I'm looking at his "Numerical Table of a Doubling Circuit."

So if I write 1+8=18, that looks incorrect, but if I write

18=1+8=9, that looks correct?

That is saying three pairs expressions are equal, you can rewrite that like this:

18=1+8
18=9
1+8=9

Only the last expression is correct, the first two expressions are incorrect. And he makes a specific claim for the second expression, that all multiples of 9 equal 9 and 18 is a multiple of 9.

Now you could say something like:

18 is composed of a 1 and an 8 and if you add 1 plus 8 you get 9 so 18 has an interesting relationship to 9

That would be fine. But in mathematics, the equals sign "=" has a specific meaning, and it's not interpreted as "interesting relationship", which means writing things like "16=1+6=7", is wrong.

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reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 04:12 AM by SmokeandShadow

Its all occult writings, bright colors, fun shapes and elementary math gymnastics. Not to say I don't think there may be something to it all, but I don't think Chewbacca knows anything real and demonstrable.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 04:18 AM by Mary Rose

reply to post by Arbitrageur

I'm puzzled by this, too. I'm just trying to pinpoint accurately what he's actually doing.

Is there something called "Pythagorean math"?

Or shall we go into ridicule mode and dismiss him as a charlatan now?

No, I'm not interested in doing that.

I'm going to continue investigating his work.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 04:34 AM by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by Arbitrageur

I'm going to continue investigating his work.

I DID investigate. I read his paper.

And it didn't take me long to determine the accuracy of the claim "all multiples of 9 equal 9". As in 18 doesn't equal 9.

Now does his lack of mathematical accuracy mean that his coil doesn't work? No, his coil looks interesting. But I don't see how people can defend his claim that all multiples of 9 equal 9 and it doesn't seem to take much investigation to determine the accuracy of that claim.

Whatever his coil does, I'm sure it has nothing to do with 18 being equal to 9.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 04:55 AM by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Mary Rose
Is there something called "Pythagorean math"?

I found an article by Horowitz online.

Clearly the system is associated with hidden knowledge - and is not in modern mathematics. Horowitz does use the term "Pythagorean mathemathics." The website is consumerhealth.org and the article is entitled "HEALING CODES FOR THE BIOLOGICAL APOCALYPSE":

. . . the ancient hidden Pythagorean mathematics which was taught in a mathematical mystery school composed of highly spiritually evolved people who studied math, the essence of spirit. They knew that there was a sacredness to this knowledge and they kept it secret. . . .

There's also this passage in the article:

Joey reflected on the brilliant work of Nicola Tesla, who is the greatest genius of the 20th Century, not Einstein, but Tesla. Tesla studied electromagnetics and electrophysics. He created free energy (this was suppressed by the Rockefeller and Royal Family cartel). The students of Tesla, Royal Raymond Rife and John Keely were aware of the power of 3, 6 and 9. Joey took the multiples of these three numbers. The multiples of 3 always gave the pattern 369, and the multiples of 6 gave 639. The multiples of 9 always came out to 9 completion.

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reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 05:02 AM by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Whatever his coil does, I'm sure it has nothing to do with 18 being equal to 9.

Again, from the .pdf, page 2:

Mathematics as we know it today is only a tool to symbolize quantities. Vortex-Based Mathematics is completely different because it is a dynamic math that shows the relationships and thus the qualities, substance and position in 3-D space of numbers rather than just the quantities of numbers.

The next paragraph after the above is on the topic of the world's great religions.

Studying Rodin's work will require a paradigm shift. Unless all you're interested in doing is ridiculing.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 05:36 AM by beebs

9*2=18. 1+8=9
9*3=27. 2+7=9
9*4=36. 3+6=9
9*5=45. 4+5=9
9*6=54. 5+4=9
9*7=63. 6+3=9
9*8=72. 9
9*9=81. 9
9*10=90. 9
9*11=99. 9+9=18. 1+8=9
9*12=108. 9
9*13=117. 1+1+7=9
9*14=126. 9
9*15=135. 9

etc.

I remember learning that from someone way back. Is that what he is talking about? I think that may only be one aspect of his whole picture.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 05:48 AM by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Whatever his coil does, I'm sure it has nothing to do with 18 being equal to 9.

Again, from the .pdf, page 2:

Mathematics as we know it today is only a tool to symbolize quantities. Vortex-Based Mathematics is completely different because it is a dynamic math that shows the relationships and thus the qualities, substance and position in 3-D space of numbers rather than just the quantities of numbers.

Studying Rodin's work will require a paradigm shift. Unless all you're interested in doing is ridiculing.

I have nothing against looking at "relationships and thus the qualities, substance and position in 3-D space of numbers rather than just the quantities of numbers." Engineers do things like that in 3D space with vector analysis.

I know several 3D coordinate systems for dealing with numbers in 3D space, such as cartesian coordinates, polar coordinates, and deal with the qualities like magnitude, direction, duration, etc etc. But 18 isn't equal to 9 in any of these coordinate systems.

If he's trying to describe something other than an equality, then he shouldn't use "equal". I gave an example in a previous post of how he might do this. If he IS trying to describe an equality and saying 18=9 in 3D or any other coordinate system, then I don't need to ridicule him, he's doing a fine job of ridiculing himself without my help.

If he wanted to be taken seriously he would use a different word or symbol to describe the relationship between 18 and 9, other than "equal":

: to be equal to; especially : to be identical in value to

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 05:49 AM by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Americanist
As additional reference (youtube or google search terms):

Dale Pond - Keely, SVP

"SVP" means Sympathetic Vibratory Physics

Here is a two part video entitled "Dale Pond - The Basic Principles of SVP - John Worrell Keely."

The description:

The basic principles of SVP and Keely's work. Dale Pond gives a clear and concise 3 hour lecture with extensive illustrations on this fascinating subject. Presentation to the United States Psychotronics Association in 1994. Very little of the information is contained in any printed source. John Worrell Keely Sympathetic Vibratory Physics Dale Pond www.svpvril.com...

Google Video Link

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reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 06:03 AM by micpsi

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by Arbitrageur

I'm puzzled by this, too. I'm just trying to pinpoint accurately what he's actually doing.

Is there something called "Pythagorean math"?

Or shall we go into ridicule mode and dismiss him as a charlatan now?

No, I'm not interested in doing that.

I'm going to continue investigating his work.

If you want to learn TRUE Pythagorean mathematics and see its awesome power at work, stop wasting your time with childish jigsaw puzzles and spend the next six months studying the research material and articles at:
smphillips.8m.com...
Their author, Dr Phillips, a theoretical physicist who has studied with Nobel Prize winners, collaborated with Fellows of the Royal Society and who has four books published about his pioneering work, has discovered the amazing, mathematical connection between religions and science. His work reveals overwhelming, mathematical evidence for the existence of a Transcendental Intelligence that expresses its Divine perfection in Pythagorean terms. His work also explains how superstrings, music, DNA and sacred geometries are all manifestations of a universal pattern that is prescribed by the ancient Hebrew Divine Names. He has uncovered a new level of Kabbalah never suspected before now, and he has shown that the Pythagorean tetractys is the key which unlocks information about holistic systems that is contained in the geometry of the Tree of Life.

If you are looking for a TRUE "theory of everything" (only it is not a theory!) that applies to all holistic systems, not just subatomic particles, please study his pioneering work at his website.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 06:12 AM by Mary Rose

reply to post by micpsi

Wow.

I'm putting this on my list.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 06:17 AM by beebs

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Yes, unfortunately he has used the '=' symbol very liberally. This is a problem of communication, not math.

I think it is quite obvious, that for the right side of the chart of his 'archetypal numbers' he means the '=' to be more of an arrow '-->'.

4*5=20 thus something like 4*5-->2 (4*5=20, 2+0=2)

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 06:26 AM by Mary Rose

Originally posted by beebs
This is a problem of communication, not math.

Excellent! Very helpful to me. Thanks.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 07:48 AM by Mary Rose

Originally posted by micpsi
If you want to learn TRUE Pythagorean mathematics and see its awesome power at work, stop wasting your time with childish jigsaw puzzles and spend the next six months studying the research material and articles at:
smphillips.8m.com...

From the above:

How sacred geometries encode the nature of all levels of reality and embody the structure and dynamics of the basic particles of matter.

That term "sacred geometry" caused a stir on the "Nassim Haramein's Delegate Program" thread. It came up in relation to the terms "vacuum density" and "Casimer Effect" and a link to "Chapter 4 - The zero point field," in which is the reference to sacred geometry.

The stir was the no-no of mixing science and religion. (We all know we mustn't do that, don't we???)

I'm glad to be provided a research project that includes sacred geometry.

reply posted on 18-1-2011 @ 07:56 AM by Mary Rose