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Originally posted by metalshredmetal
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Is the beam coming out of a laser pointer electromagnetic?
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
reply to post by buddhasystem
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field.
Does it have a toroidal shaped field?
is that so hard to imagine?
imagine if the length of that beam was the length of the middle of the Torus, which is like a wormhole that connects the north and south pole of the torus.
"Even though the object on the left is taller than the donut torus, it is still a circular object with a circular hole in the center, so the object on the left fits the definition of a torus."
Here's a positively charged van de graff generator on the right, interacting with a positively charged particle on the left. Is this an electromagnetic phenomenon?
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
I said:
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field. Everything is in flux, nothing is static.
not "All fields are toroidal".
Originally posted by Mary Rose
Yeah I'm still trying to find out what he meant. And Alex Petty doesn't agree with him. Dale Pond just said express it in a different way.
. . . Everything is 3D in the real world. But in terms of working in The Matrix people unthinkingly relate to 1D and 2D constructs as though they were real. I never took the time to expand QA [Quantum Arithmetic] into 3D situations but it should be easy to do. Also people tend to focus on LABELS such as "PI". They assume (rote memory) that PI equals an irrational number. But we know PI is NOT an irrational number because irrational (insane) numbers do not exist in reality. PI is a ratio between two incompatible values: straight and curved lines. In the real world, yet to be discovered, PI would be a ratio between the inclosed VOLUME of a 3D polygon and a sphere (what you call a ball). One cannot divide apples by oranges or curved lines by straight lines yet geometers do it all the time not realizing the error any fourth grader could tell them about. One can never escape The Matrix as long as one continues to think in and use Matrix labelings.
In the real world, yet to be discovered . . .
Originally posted by Mary Rose
not realizing the error any fourth grader could tell them about.
Dale Pond is pretty slow, in fact I'd say his elevator doesn't reach the top floor, based on statements like the one you pointed out and like this one:
Originally posted by -PLB-
Originally posted by Mary Rose
not realizing the error any fourth grader could tell them about.
So what would that error be that is allegedly not realized?
Wrong Dale. Time HAS told, and we know the answer. Even Keely's benefactor figured it out over a century ago, when she found out Keely's claimed "wire" was really an air hose and he was lying and cheating, and she cut off nearly all his funding as a result which is explained here:
Time will tell whether Mr. John Ernst Worrell Keely was either one of the world's greatest frauds or one of its greatest inventors.
There are many ways of discussing ratios and proportions. One way that works for me is to read a ratio as "parts". In the ratio 2:1, read two parts to one part. Or in practical terms two measures of a substance to one measure of another substance. Let's say two teaspoons of sugar to one teaspoon of butter. In vibration studies the "unit of measure" may be either frequency (cycles per second) or time (wave number) or space (wave length). So the ratio of 2:1 refers to either of these "units of measure" meaning the first term (2) is TWICE the value of the second term (1). Or reciprocally we can say the second term is HALF the value of the first.
Ratios are nearly always (but not always!) reduced to their least common factors. Hence if we had a ratio of 200:100 or 4:2 it would usually be reduced to 2:1 to keep things simple. So if there is another ratio of 4:7 it would mean 4 parts to 7 parts. We can multiply the 4 and 7 respectively times anything we want: bushels, teaspoons, inches, cycles per second or whatever. The important thing is the final result must always be the same PROPORTION of 4 to 7.
An additional thing to remember is to avoid reducing the ratio to a decimal. Sometimes reducing it to a decimal can be helpful but the decimal is NOT the original ratio. Another problem is a whole number ratio represents whole number quantities of two distinctly different things. So the reduction to a decimal is the same thing as dividing apples by oranges. This is not something most people see and understand. They've been mistaught in school to always reduce to a decimal. And this, in my opinion, is a grave error. We see this tendency quite often in the reduction of the ratio of 20612 : 6561 which is the ratio of the parts of a circumference of a circle (curved line) to the parts of length of that circle's diameter (straight line). These two numbers represent whole number values of two distinctly different things. How could they be divided and still have accuracy? Not possible - one ends up with an APPROXIMATION which is a value acknowledged to have an error. Adding more decimals does not eliminate the error, it is simply reduced.
But we know PI is NOT an irrational number because irrational (insane) numbers do not exist in reality. PI is a ratio between two incompatible values: straight and curved lines.
Originally posted by Spiratio
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this thread is relevant to your post.
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Hence gravity is a wide thin waveform but there is a hidden factor which gives its thinness a mighty quality
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Here's a positively charged van de graff generator on the right, interacting with a positively charged particle on the left. Is this an electromagnetic phenomenon?
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
I said:
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field. Everything is in flux, nothing is static.
not "All fields are toroidal".
ocw.mit.edu...
The field lines are shown and I don't see that they are toroidal. Don't believe it? Put some streamers on the sphere:
www.physics.montana.edu...
Where are the donuts?
Originally posted by Spiratio
The variable harmonic matrices of any given Torus/element as well as the kinds of particles absorbed by them determine a wide variety of discharge patterns. i.e. straight beams, splayed funnel beams both single or double ended, and then different velocity and amplitude equatorial ripples. When all of them occur at once in more or less equal measure omni directional phenomena such as sound and light/radiation result, this is the general default in nature but in electronic devices arrangements of uncommonly met clusters produce accentuated pulses of radiation such as a laser beams etc.
see link
Originally posted by Spiratio
Firstly one cannot be certain that the entire field is being measured. If a measurement is made it is a known measurement, whether or not more to its dynamics exists beyond measurement is simply unknown via conventional observation.
it is merely the diffusion effect of a toroids radiative state during decomposition.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by buddhasystem
It's where the action is.
"flux field of electromagnetism"
is where the action is? What action? What is "flux"?
Specifically, electric fields exist in most of the known Universe. What does "where" apply to?
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by Mary Rose
Originally posted by buddhasystem
is where the action is? What action? What is "flux"?
Flow of energy.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Specifically, electric fields exist in most of the known Universe. What does "where" apply to?
Where applies to drawing energy out of the vacuum with a device.
a) so you are saying that Rodin's DIAGRAM (something that one can draw on paper) creates a flow of energy?
b) in electromagnetism, fields do not necessarily result in flow of any energy
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
reply to post by buddhasystem
All electromagnetic phenomenon has a toroidal shaped field. Everything is in flux, nothing is static.
You are a fluxing em field.
But as usual, you'll find some other bone to pick
Everything is in flux, nothing is static. Bullsh!t #2
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
The square peg just doesn't fit into a round hole, but you're trying to pound it in anyway.
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
imagine if the length of that beam was the length of the middle of the Torus, which is like a wormhole that connects the north and south pole of the torus.
If there is nothing in the path of the beam from the laser pointer, it will continue traveling in a narrow cone shape for infinity. The main reason it won't do that in practice isn't because it has a toroidal field, it's because deep space has a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter and chances are most of the photons from the laser pointer will eventually interact with those and get scattered.
Also, here's a dot from a laser pointer on the wall:
laserpointerforums.com...
Close up of laser dot on wall through goggles. Distance is about 3m
Are you asking me to imagine that I see a hole in the middle? Because I'm not seeing one.