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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Oneness, is the primary urge of creation from the first whim of God to differentiate from everything always with the sole aim of becoming self conciously aware in the fullness of eternity.

One who took a certain entheogen (not me) indicated that in their "dive" into the Zero Point Field (as a result of producing a type of Bose-Einstein neurological condensate), there was ONE strong and overpowering impulse "out there" and everywhere, and that was to realize or come back into oneness. They also reported an inconquorable, ruthless love, which was almost frightening, to behold and to experience.

But it will never be complete without man. Man has a special role to play in the re-incarnation of God realized or put another way, consciousness made conscious. This is the apparent GOAL of the creation and of the creation of the human being in the fullness of cosmological evolution, as strange or as apparently solipsistic as that may sound (it's only reasonable and logical however, from the appropriate frame of reference).

We have a long way to go to perform this feat this Great Work of all Ages, but that's what we're doing, through all manner of suffering and joy and everything else under the sun from life to life to countless lives and and generations, and my sense it that the perfect will of the one above all, or the Absolute, has as his intent, to go to ANY length to include, because the creation of man was good and well intended, to contain nothing less than the fullness of the spirit of the living God (God consciousness itself).

When this happens, the apparent reality or the illusion of creation, will be made real and self aware God will be realized in humanity, not just here and there, in the occasional avatar (Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, even Mohammed), but in the form of a veritable avalanch of Avatars, or what I like to call the "World Avatar" and "The Heart of the World" in the form of me and you, at SOME point in the fullness of time and history in eternity now.

But wait there's more!

It's also becoming more urgent, as the circle is joined everywhere else BUT Earth and in man, and I would go so far as to say that the light of the sun, is beginning to manifest this truth, with the love of our ancesters and of all self aware conscious beings, everywhere. We know this, most of us, that this is happening or has happened and we can feel it, percieve it, but then there's this incongruity all around us, threatening always to reaborb us in the false and in the material world (yes Madonna's probably trapped there also).

It's circling and it's focal point is on Earth now, it's arrived, it's at our door so to speak even now.

People cannot be blamed for thinking selfishly or materially however, it's how we were trained, but now that we know, now's the time to do the work, even if only for ourselves and our fellow man whoever is willing and able. My aim in all of this, if prayers are answered, will be to make many returns, as many as are needed, and as risky the proposition, to make sure this is brought about, without leaving one child behind ie: wiping out all evil in the world, by God realization, which will not preclude fun and enjoyment or awareness, since all information and impressions in consciousness have been preserved in eternity in the Akashic Field, which is freely available to us already always now and forever, since we our own consciousness is emersed within that field and ocean, something every single one of us would know for sure if given the opportunity to utilize a certain entheogenic medicine (one I'm finding that I will not need, wading in gradually).

Did I just say that the light of the sun is changing to convey information in the the form of a universal conscious realization of oneness and of the truth as love?

Yes, you bet I did, because that's precisely what is happening.

The Zero Point Field is on the way, and it's already here and only some among us are beginning to wake up to its presence, more and more all the time.


"One who lives only for himself is truly dead but one who dies for God is truly alive."
~ Meher Baba




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan


Did I just say that the light of the sun is changing to convey information in the the form of a universal conscious realization of oneness and of the truth as love?

Yes, you bet I did, because that's precisely what is happening.

The Zero Point Field is on the way, and it's already here and only some among us are beginning to wake up to its presence, more and more all the time.


"One who lives only for himself is truly dead but one who dies for God is truly alive."
~ Meher Baba


One of the things about realizing oneness is that ever since I did, I've begun to see how the whole universe is intelligent, or more appropriately, alive. All of it. I sense intuitively that the stars in the sky are like some kind of highly intelligent thought form. These thought forms contain a loving energy that is indescribable.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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One of the things about realizing oneness is that ever since I did, I've begun to see how the whole universe is intelligent, or more appropriately, alive. All of it. I sense intuitively that the stars in the sky are like some kind of highly intelligent thought form. These thought forms contain a loving energy that is indescribable
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If God is omnipresent Consciousness and Love itself, then everything in the universe must needs be imbued with God's loving intelligence.

How wonderful it must be to feel such a Cosmic Embrace!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
What is oneness?:
Oneness is the belief that all things are one. There is no twoness. No separation. Its just one big thing we call "Universe".

In other words, I am you and you are me, and we are minerals, animals, and trees. We ARE the earth. We are the stars. We are the spiral galaxies, and beyond. And all these things are us.

Now what should this belief bring about?:
Peace. Harmony. Compassion. Love. Truth. Infinite knowledge. Ecstatic joy. Justice. Telepathy. Heightened awareness...... The list goes on.

How?:
Well if all is one, why would I do any action whatsoever that doesn't benefit myself. Not my self as human, but myself as Universe. In the light of the awareness of oneness, I begin serving the Universe because I know that to serve the Universe is to serve myself.


I would still rather see existence as starting out in my own personal private universe then from there moving to this common shared universe and moving out back to my personal universe again whenever I will it. In that common shared universe there are places for people like you who want all to be one, no matter male or female, kind of like a big spirit orgy, wouldn't want to be there. It almost feels taking a step back, some say we came from a common source which was split up to become many individuals, like reproduction in a way and now there are those who don't want to be individuals any more it seems but rather forget their self and join this collective hyve mind, all these countless centuries of seperation gone in a single lifetime, what a loss.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by NorEaster
The empirical evidence that supports the notion of the identified unique whole that exists as independently determinable within the larger selection of that which shares contextual commonality seems overwhelming. Can you explain this?

In other words, why don't I agree with you if I am you? Please include your arithmetic with your answer.

Thanks.


I don't have an equation to offer as "proof". I don't really need one. Its as simple as looking at the stars and seeing yourself as part of a bigger whole. And then deny yourself as being part and recognize yourself as all. That all includes consciousness which arguably exists as a field.


Don't need any proof. "Seeing yourself as..." "Recognize yourself as..." "arguably exists...." I don't see any "there" there.


In theory, as a oneness, you are also consciousness and from there can probably manipulate the field.


Again, where is the substance. Even a reasonable extrapolation involving obvious tenets related to what can be determined to be objective would be a step forward, but you've provided nothing beyond "imagine if...." statements. Probably inspiring philosophy for some, but not even defendable philosophy within the world of serious philosophers.


I wonder if consciousness has free will. Free will is what keeps you from being able to control another individual absolutely, so if consciousness does not have free will then it should allow for manipulation. I think my next thread is going to be about Free will, allowance, and control.


Consciousness is identity-centric, and therefore extremely difficult to definitively represent in broad strokes. Consciousness is the person itself, and provides that individual with identity. Some identities are more maleable and controllable than others, and we all know that to be true. This one very clear aspect of personalitied awareness - consciousness - is what makes the "oneness" meme unrealistic. Not dangerous or destructive, but unrealistic as a fundamental goal for anyone.


You don't agree with me because you still retain your individuality and your free will. I am trying to diminish my ego as much as possible so that I can perceive more of the greater whole, and therefore feel the glory of it. If you want to see it, you can, because the unfamiliar perspectives are there. At first, it takes courage to challenge all your learned beliefs.


We don't agree because we both still retain our individualities. Yes, you are an individual and will remain an individual even when you've firmly convinced yourself that you've shed that "ego-centric" individuality. The world around you is logically isolated from the "you" that you have been crafting since your first moment of corporeal existence. Deny it all you like, but when you get up from that chair, what is you (and belongs to you as uniquely you) will get up off that chair along with you. And that isn't a bad thing. Oneness is a concept, a philosophical, intellectual premise. It's not a reality that can ever be achieved. The logical requirement of isolated identity, as the primary requirement of existence itself, prevents "oneness" from being logically feasible.

Author Koestler invented the term "holon" to describe the reality of unique wholes that combine to form a collective whole that can be identified as a unique whole relative to the larger environment that contains it. Like the team members of a baseball team, who join to be that identifiable team while maintaining their unique and singular identities as players. If "oneness" means joining the same team with others, then okay, that's feasible and definitely desireable. If "oneness" means vacating one's existential identity to become some version of a formless and identity-less wash of general consciousness with whatever else has somehow done the same, then good luck with that. It simply can't be done. That isn't the true nature of consciousness, regardless of what some Internet forum posters insist.


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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by NewAgeMan


Did I just say that the light of the sun is changing to convey information in the the form of a universal conscious realization of oneness and of the truth as love?

Yes, you bet I did, because that's precisely what is happening.

The Zero Point Field is on the way, and it's already here and only some among us are beginning to wake up to its presence, more and more all the time.

"One who lives only for himself is truly dead but one who dies for God is truly alive."
~ Meher Baba


One of the things about realizing oneness is that ever since I did, I've begun to see how the whole universe is intelligent, or more appropriately, alive. All of it. I sense intuitively that the stars in the sky are like some kind of highly intelligent thought form. These thought forms contain a loving energy that is indescribable.




My, aren't you two wonderful.

How easy it is to write what you write, and how clean the explanation is that those who disagree simply haven't progressed to a point of being able to experience what you claim as commonplace within your own lives. Reminds me of when I hung out on a local rock scene forum in Boston years ago. A band would have a local club show, and then the next day, a flock of friends would all agree with each other on the board that the show had been incredible, that the band was poised to break national, that major label reps had been spotted in the room that night - all kinds of claims. Funny, I'd be there in the same room that evening, and there'd been 10, maybe 15 people, and the show started late, ended without fanfare, and the between the two moments, nothing had transpired worthy of note.

Words are easy to line up next to each other, and they don't resist whatever placement you decide for them. Reality isn't as maleable as the description of it. I've learned that everyone online is tall, good-looking, and ripped like Brad Pitt in Fight Club. They're all transcendent masters of whatever it is that's being discussed. Describing intuitive sensing and oneness as having been achieved is fun stuff, but please realize that only you and those exactly like you take your claims at face value. Experiences are not reality. They are perception, and perception is not, and never has been, reality.

I'm sorry if this seems insensitive, but I'm just - in essence - letting you know that you have toilet paper stuck to your shoe. It's compassionate in its own odd way of being so.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by NorEaster


Author Koestler invented the term "holon" to describe the reality of unique wholes that combine to form a collective whole that can be identified as a unique whole relative to the larger environment that contains it. Like the team members of a baseball team, who join to be that identifiable team while maintaining their unique and singular identities as players. If "oneness" means joining the same team with others, then okay, that's feasible and definitely desireable. If "oneness" means vacating one's existential identity to become some version of a formless and identity-less wash of general consciousness with whatever else has somehow done the same, then good luck with that. It simply can't be done. That isn't the true nature of consciousness, regardless of what some Internet forum posters insist.


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I arrived at the conclusion of the holon theory through contemplation independent of any knowledge of a supporting theory. It seems likely to me. Like I said, I don't have any proof, although I don't doubt that any exists. If you want proof, I think David Wilcock might have some, idk. That's the only name that rings a bell. Oneness IS joining the same team with others. Like a collective awareness type thing. I know in this human body I will still retain my individuality, but THE PERCEPTION OF ONENESS EXISTS nonetheless. Like I said, just accept it first, then make yourself see it, and you will probably convince yourself too. Evolution in my opinion is going to be like a transition to a greater perception. Instead of self awareness, we gain group awareness, as earth. The holon theory is especially believable if you could at least see the earth as a life form in itself. From there you evolve to a Stellar awareness. Upon perceiving oneness, I "realized" that Stars are alive too. Again, I don't have any proof. But, just because I can't prove it, doesn't make it true.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan





My, aren't you two wonderful.

How easy it is to write what you write, and how clean the explanation is that those who disagree simply haven't progressed to a point of being able to experience what you claim as commonplace within your own lives. Reminds me of when I hung out on a local rock scene forum in Boston years ago. A band would have a local club show, and then the next day, a flock of friends would all agree with each other on the board that the show had been incredible, that the band was poised to break national, that major label reps had been spotted in the room that night - all kinds of claims. Funny, I'd be there in the same room that evening, and there'd been 10, maybe 15 people, and the show started late, ended without fanfare, and the between the two moments, nothing had transpired worthy of note.

Words are easy to line up next to each other, and they don't resist whatever placement you decide for them. Reality isn't as maleable as the description of it. I've learned that everyone online is tall, good-looking, and ripped like Brad Pitt in Fight Club. They're all transcendent masters of whatever it is that's being discussed. Describing intuitive sensing and oneness as having been achieved is fun stuff, but please realize that only you and those exactly like you take your claims at face value. Experiences are not reality. They are perception, and perception is not, and never has been, reality.

I'm sorry if this seems insensitive, but I'm just - in essence - letting you know that you have toilet paper stuck to your shoe. It's compassionate in its own odd way of being so.


I disagree. Perception is reality. But only when it is from the point of view of the Absolute. The all-knowing. Oneness is the absolute. It is the whole. It is God. And Oneness wants you to see it.

I agree. A single entity's perception of his experience is just that. It is reality to the single entity, but a second entity may perceive the same situation differently, therefore there is conflict of reality. What is reality, is the situation and experience itself, without biased perception. But within the experience there exists the observation which is not independent of the experience. In the perception of oneness, you see that you are the observer and the observed. This give the oneness "perception" entitlement to reality.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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OP, very well done post. I agree with everything you have said, and have come to the same conclusions. You seem to be on the correct path to enlightenment. All is One. We are all a part of the One. We are all One with _____. Fill in the blank with God, or the Universe, nature, or each other, or everything. It's all the same thing, it's all One object. Knowing this fact, you can arrive at many new understandings (like you have in your original post).

The main problem is, when you tell a skeptic that "All is One", their eyes glaze over and they instantly become blinded. This is because that phrase (at first glance) is overly simplistic. That phrase alone doesn't explain away the illusion of separation that currently fools/rules their minds. So, skeptics often hear that phrase and they look away, and don't look any deeper into the meaning and truth of the phrase. So often times you must first explain why all is One...

 


For the skeptics;

It is a fact that All of everything is One object. Not only philosophically, but also scientifically.

-Philosophically

All that was, all that there ever will be, and all that is, the totality, the sum, the combination of all, is one object. The word "All" is infinite. Infinite nothing, and infinite everything. Nothing that which exists and doesn't exist escapes being a part of "All". Existence and non-existence is included in "All". "All" is a noun for everything.... "All", in fact, does exist.... that is absolute.

-Scientifically

This is my favorite part.... To understand how every single thing is connected is very enlightening. Not only are we connected by multiple forces, but also multiple chemical reactions, and linked by multiple systems. Understanding every single way we are connected will shatter your "illusion of separation".

*ELECTROMAGNETISM AND MAGNETISM*

It is a scientific fact that all atoms and molecules are magnetic. Let that sink in.... ALL atoms and molecules are MAGNETS. Think about that for a while before reading on.

So what do you know about magnets? You probably learned the basics as a child. Likes repel, opposites attract. You probably also noticed that magnets combine their strength when they are connected. The more magnets you link together the more weight the magnets can lift. Magnets share their forces with each other.... you can link magnets into a long chain and all of them would be connected by force (magnetism).

Think about it again... ALL atoms and molecules are tiny magnets. Air, water, dirt, human skin, plastic, wood, all elements, everything, is made of tiny magnets. The atoms of your skin are connected with the atoms of the air which are connected with the atoms of another persons skin. So you and your body are connected to everyone and everything magnetically.

Your bones are magnetically connected to your flesh and blood to create your body and mind. Your body is connected with the clothes you wear, including your shoes, which is connected directly to the Earth and the air on Earth. In fact, the only reason you don't pass through the Earth is because the atoms of Earth repel your atoms, so that is proof of magnetic interaction and proof you are magnetically connected. The only reason you feel the wind across your face is because of magnetic interactions. Electromagnetism is responsible for every interaction you experience in daily life. ALL objects, ALL men, ALL life forms, ALL matter, ALL planets, and ALL stars, are connected by magnetic forces which are present all around you at all times.

EVERYTHING is connected magnetically.... as One object.

Magnetic force still to this day is not understood by mainstream scientists. They can tell you how magnetism is created, and sustained, and how it interacts visually, but they can't tell you what magnetism actually is. They call it a force, and they don't go any further to explain what that force is. Many theorize, but thats the end. Personally, in my many years of studying magnetic force, I have come to my own conclusions which reveal a whole hidden world of possibilities which I believe is intentionally hidden from the view. For all we know, magnetic force can contain bits of information which can pass from atom to atom.

*LIGHT*

Light is electromagnetic radiation... all of it. Radio waves, microwaves, visible light, infrared light, gamma rays, x-rays, heat, etc. is all electromagnetic radiation, a.k.a. LIGHT. Everything is connected by electromagnetic radiation (light).

Each star in the sky emits light in all directions. So each star is connected by light because they shine light at each other. That darkness you see between the stars is an illusion, there is actually a lot of light passing between that darkness. Darkness is an illusion.

The only reason man can even see stars is because the stars are connected to mans eyes. Beams of electromagnetic radiation from the stars are connected directly to your eyes, and allows you to see the stars. Light reflected from your eyes and body are reflected back at the stars too. The entire Earth is reflecting light in all directions, so the Earth is connected to the stars too. All stars and planets are connected by light.

The computer screen you are looking at is also connected to you in the same way. In fact, everything you can see with your eyes is connected to you by light. All objects which emit light are connected via beams electromagnetic radiation. Light reflects and is emitted from everything...

Darkness is an illusion created by the lack of light. There is no such thing as absolute absence of light, so there is no such thing as absolute darkness. Even in a dark room with no visible light there is still heat which is also a form of light. There is still radio waves, microwaves, and many other forms of electromagnetic radiation which is light. Some electromagnetic radiation even passes through matter itself, like x-rays passing through the body. So everywhere in the entire universe exists light.

Let that sink in.... EVERYTHING is connected by electromagnetic radiation (light). Light is crossing in every direction imaginable in all of the Universe. Some may even argue that matter itself is made of condensed light.

*GRAVITY*

I have my own theories of gravity, but I will not get into that here. For this example I will just use Einstein's theory of gravity.

ALL matter has mass, which causes gravity. Every atom in your body has gravity (you have gravity). Every atom in the Earth has gravity. Every star has gravity. Every planet has gravity. So there are forces of gravity connecting every single object in the Universe. Your bodies force of gravity is connected to Earth's force of gravity, which is connected to the Moon's gravity, which is all connected to the Sun's gravity which extends out into the Universe and connects all the stars and planets in the Universe.

ALL things are connected via gravity...

..and if you want to get deep into it with Einstein's theory you could even claim we are all connected via the "fabric" of time and space.

*ELECTRICITY*

I believe this belongs in the electromagnetism and magnetism section, but that is another topic. I just want to mention electrons. Electrons in many elements are free to pass between other elements. Electrons are shared. For instance, the electrons in your body are free to move to the nearest doorknob and cause an electric shock (static electricity), and back in some cases. Electrons even flow through your body to the Earth, and other objects. Electrons also flow from the Sun to Earth, and sooner or later through your body. You are connected to many many many things via electron flow (electricity).

Your entire body wouldn't even exist without electricity which flows through the entire Universe. Your muscles wouldn't work without electricity. Chemical reactions would not even exist. NOTHING would exist without electricity or the flow of electrons. Your brain wouldn't even work, and you wouldn't be able to think, or feel alive without electricity or electrons which flow through the entire universe.

Everything is connected electrically.... and scientists don't even fully understand what an electron is. They don't know everything about electrons, and for all we know, electrons can carry information inside of them as they flow between objects.

*VARIOUS SYSTEMS*

The main systems I like to mention are the ones between the human body and Earth. The main example being your respiratory system. Your body breathes in air from the Earth, and the air mixes with your blood, and is used to operate your brain, muscles, heart, which creates you. The air of Earth is a part of your body in a system, much like your blood is a part of your body. Without the air around you, you will die. Just like without your heart you will die. The air is a part of your body... The EARTH is a part of your body.

You are connected in a system of the plants and trees of Earth as well. You breath in oxygen, breathe out CO2. Plants and trees breathe in CO2, breath out oxygen. It's a cycle, a system, which connects you directly to Earth.

Water is another system. The water on Earth is responsible for all life on Earth. The water flows through the streams, oceans, lakes, underground, and in pipes, and via the clouds, and gives life to all plants and animals. The human body needs water to survive and to function. The human body intakes water, uses it for life and other systems, and then expels water back into the system of Earth. It's a cycle, and you are a part of it. You are connected to Earth through the water system. You are a part of the whole.

You are also connected by what you consume. You eat plants and animals from Earth, and it creates your body, and you expel waste. When you die, your body returns to Earth. It's a cycle, a system.

YOU ARE THE EARTH. THE EARTH IS YOUR BODY. THE EARTH IS A PART OF THE UNIVERSE. YOU ARE THE UNIVERSE. YOU ARE ONE OBJECT OF MANY PARTS.

Now that I have told you many of the forces and systems (not all of them) which connect you with absolutely every single object in the Universe, you should now see the entire Universe is a single object. The illusions created by density differences, intensity differences, quantity of force differences, etc., have fooled you into thinking you are separate from that which you are currently experiencing.

The Universe is like a sea of energy, and different parts of that energy are more condensed than other parts. However, all the parts are connected as one object.

The universe is your body. The Universe IS ALIVE. Life itself is proof of it.

ALL IS ONE.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Wow dude. Awesome awesome AWESOME post. Thank you. You should definitely copy and paste everything you just said and make your own thread. Feel free to elaborate further to cause a greater understanding. I give you permission to copy and paste my thread too as the philosophical approach to present all the information in one great thread. With our powers combined, we might make an impact. If you do this, please send me a link so I can follow your thread.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by mysticnoon



One of the things about realizing oneness is that ever since I did, I've begun to see how the whole universe is intelligent, or more appropriately, alive. All of it. I sense intuitively that the stars in the sky are like some kind of highly intelligent thought form. These thought forms contain a loving energy that is indescribable
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If God is omnipresent Consciousness and Love itself, then everything in the universe must needs be imbued with God's loving intelligence.

How wonderful it must be to feel such a Cosmic Embrace!



Like the sun on a cloudy day, it's still there anyway, whether we realize it or not! Right?





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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Experiences are not reality. They are perception, and perception is not, and never has been, reality.
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Is not perception the only way that reality can be know on this material plane?

It all begins with subjective perception, and if there is enough societal and/or scientific consensus about these subjective perceptions, then they become universally recognized elements of our reality.

When we delve into areas of subjective feelings and experiences of a private nature, consensus can only be reached by verifying the experience for oneself, but this does not invalidate such experience.

A simple example would be trying to explain to you the taste of an exotic dish that I ate last night. The only way you would really know what it tastes like is if I give you the recipe and you follow it precisely.

Spiritual perceptions are very similar. There is a recipe to follow, prerequisites in action and attitude, and if these are adhered to, the person will have experience which "taste" very similar, if not the same.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Unity in diversity in unbounded freedom, no loss of integrity at any level you still don't get it yet. It's better than what you think by many orders of magnitude, but also better even than the oneness people think in a singularity of one, that is in God (everything everywhere already always and forever in eternity) both finite and discreet, and therefore nothing at all, since that's the domain of new creation as merely the nothing from within which the everything always was always everything already. So it would seem that we are both up in arms over nothing, once recognized as being free, created beings in eternity having the opportunity to experience it both in part AND in whole.


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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by mysticnoon



Experiences are not reality. They are perception, and perception is not, and never has been, reality.
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Is not perception the only way that reality can be know on this material plane?

From what I am beginning to understand from a certain awakened soul, this is not true, you're right (given how you framed the sentence).

Reality can only be known in and from the spiritual plane, real reality, only when all impressions are dissolved and no meaning assigned to anything in particular, or even everything as the apparent something of everything in the original nothing, which in truth arose in the beginning of the beginning, from everything already always, who simply on a whim asked the question "who am I?" after which all manner of differentiation in perfection arose as the first urge to know Godself in everything.

Recogizing that the true self does NOT reside in the material world of perception and impression, with the courage to die to self and be reborn in spirit, is apparently the ONLY way that reality may be known and experienced, as being entirely real and authentic, as it REALLY is.

Anything less is a series of filters placed over an illusion, and there is no real reality, in it, including our own selves!



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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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Shame on you, you neither enter in, now allow another to enter!



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Reality can only be known in and from the spiritual plane, real reality, only when all impressions are dissolved and no meaning assigned to anything in particular,
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Yes, this is the difference between direct perception and sensory/mental perception. The mind and senses are at best only a finger pointing at reality, they only describe reality through the lens of the limited tools afforded by the physical vehicle that is the human body.

On the other hand, when those material tools are put aside, the inner spiritual "eyes and ears" can be utilized and reality is perceived in a far more expansive and inclusive manner.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 07:00 PM
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all the great philosophers throughout history say that unity is the central attribute of the good. Good for you that you have realized the beauty of oneness. May your journey be a delightful one.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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I don't know if any of the posters here have read anything by Albert Camus but, I have a question in regards to something I've read by him recently. In the Myth of Sisyphus, Camus says that the fundamental question of all philosophies is if life is worth living or not. So, I ask, is it?

Before you delve into a soup of consciousness and become one with everything should you not be asking yourself if it is even worth it? Why or why not?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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Before you delve into a soup of consciousness and become one with everything should you not be asking yourself if it is even worth it? Why or why not?
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May I propose that those who are delving into a "soup of consciousness" have already had a taste of it and definitely want a bigger helping.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb


Ecstatic Joy:
This is what everyone really wants more than anything else in the world. To achieve it in the eyes of oneness is easy. All you have to do is something that gives someone else a reason to feel happy. For in the eyes of oneness, if you make someone else happy, you have effectively made yourself happy. Although you may not feel it in your own body, another body felt happy, and all is one so whether you felt it or not is irrelevant. Now you see in the long run if everyone has realized that all is one and works toward the happiness of everyone else, you can begin to see what great immense joy we could all be living in. Now our planet has become a happy planet and has increased the happiness of the entire universe by the degree that our planet has become happy in relation to the size of the universe. Now if every other planetary being has realized this from all over the universe you see that the Universe can be one great big happy thing and we can all live in harmony this way.





If you're trying to bring joy to others so that you might feel joy then that is the epitome of selfishness and serves to only feed the ego you say needs to be let go of. One should not bring joy to someone only because they will receive joy in return. In fact, to give someone something that brings them great joy but at the expense of your happiness is the epitome of selflessness and in fact would be getting rid of the ego, no?



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