$3.25 gas/gallon now, where is the outrage?

Originally posted by StlSteve
reply to post by fockewulf190

 

Here in the US, I'm self-employed. That means I get to pay a self-employment tax (another 13%) So 45% of my income goes to the gov. And everything I buy is taxed, so I figure the gov makes more off me than I do.

Fact is we are all SLAVES in part...

Overall most workers end up paying more than half their hard earned pay back the the Government..
That's not taxation, that's slavery.......

reply to post by manta78


That is what I thought.

The oil in Alaska alone has been estimated to be enough to last the US 300 years.

There are fields that have been drilled and capped. They sit there to this day and we are sending money to the likes of Saudi Arabia.

Insanity and control. IMO

When the gas prices go up, so does everything else, but not as quick as the gas price. Companies will have to adjust for fuel surcharges and what not. I drive a Truck and part of the payment apart from the load is the fuel surcharge, and I remember back in the day Diesel was cheaper than Gasoline. They can jack up the fuel price, and people are gonna have to adjust the prices for everything because they have to get the merchandise shipped one way or another. By the way, every truck has to pay an annual fuel tax fee, apart from other taxes, a friend once calculated roughly, considering all the semi trucks on the road, and that's just for the big rigs, the combination vehicles, and more or less came out to a figure of about 9 billion dollars a year, I was taken back by it, I can't say his calculations are accurate, however thinking about the number of trucks large companies have along with independent contractors it doesnt seem far fetched.

Just took a look at this page Truck Stats 2 million are tractor trailers, my friend said he had just paid the fuel tax for this year and it came to about 680 dollars, the stats say that there are about 2 million tractor trailers multiply 2 million by 6 to 800 dollars, somebody is making a killing off the taxes!


Sorry I drifted slightly off topic, but it kind of coincides
Jack up the price on fuel and the price for everything will soon go up also, it's another scam, truckers alone pay a huge chunk, can anyone get an estimate for regular 4 whelled vehicles? the reason I am focusing on taxes is because I had read somewhere a long time ago (I think it was on a Maxim magazine) that 75% of the price at the pump is taxes alone, Municipal, county, state and federal taxes.

Edited to add this: Upon further reading down I saw this

"How much does the trucking industry pay to operate on our roads?
Estimates of 21.4 billions dollars is produced annually and paid by the trucking industry. "

Russian oil giant Rosneft buys 5% of BP in Arctic drilling deal

Hmmmm

Originally posted by Namaste1001
Try paying over twice that amount as we do in Europe then you will really have something to complain about.

edit on 14-1-2011 by Namaste1001 because: (no reason given)

At least
You guys( Germany anyway) have public transportation options; I remember even the Germsan local bus service being very useable; Downtowns made for pedestrians ( "foosgangerplatz") etc.

What inflation? Our government tells us inflation is at around 4% but what many fail to know is that our government is hiding the truth because energy costs and food are not factored into the inflation mix. If energy costs and food were factored into the inflation figures there would be screams heard around the world. Would the real inflation figures be 20%,30% or even 40% ? Do they think we are that stupid I guess so. Go to the gas pump and go to the grocery store and compare what you were paying a year ago to todays prices. ^Y^

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


You mean you haven't heard about the secret plan to let all other countries use up all
their oil reserves by selling it to us now, and then who will be sitting pretty, when we
have it all in reserve, and can command any price and therefore control the world supply?

Did I say that out loud?

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower


Where is the outrage from the media and the politicians.

What is OBAMA going to do about it? Is he going to allow any drilling anytime soon?

Are we really going to be paying $4-5/gallon by the end of year as some are predicting?

Is there a difference now than just 3 years ago? Has there been a huge change in the MSM in the past 3 years that I do not know about?

Huh!?

Someone asked as a request whether the rise of gas prices is tied to a Bush being into office. The simple answer is yes, but not for the reasons that you would think.

Boy, according to this guy, Bush must still be in office!

Read that article, talk about incorrect conclusions. If deregulation had anything to do with it, we would be paying a nickle a gallon now.

Anyway, just something to consider about your media and your politicians. Cognitive dissonance.

Well the GOP did just get in power, of course prices will rise -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Your party was un willing to even up vote opening an investigation on the gas gouging of 2008

Therefore Obama shouldn't do crap, you will call him a socialist and throw poop at him -
The prices are set so high because the entire industry can justify it and CERTAIN political folks will DEFEND them under the guise of freedoms! DID you notice the stability of prices when it was ALL DEM???
Plainly my eagle loving friend, that is because the entire industry is afraid of investigation, because liberals love to interfere in markets which is a known truth, which could expose the fact that the PRIVATE MARKET ITSELF
RIGS PRICES BY INTERNAL MEANS.

The market makes the market on its own, you seem to think it is like selling tamales in the park price war.

Foam you are free to get boned with your ideological dogma, it is too bad I have to get boned too.

reply to post by Janky Red


THE FREE MARKET!

Really. WOW.

Does the FREE market force known reserves to remain unused?
Does the FREE market not allow the exploration of new resources?
Does the FREE market not allow the creation of new oil refineries for the past 15 YEARS?
Does the FREE market allow the government to limit lawsuits on corporations?
Does the FREE market bail out their crony bankers, crony agencies, crony insurance companies, crony corporations?
Does the FREE market allow the government to sidestep bankruptcy law that has been precedent for centuries?
Does the FREE market allow government takeover of industry?
Does the FREE etc etc etc.

Quit attempting to define our market as FREE. It is a lie!

We have what is called a State Capitalism. Some use to call it communism, but hey, I am just a conspiracy factualist.

Originally posted by ADUB77
You are paying 86 cents a litre

In Canada, we are paying about 1.10 a litre, or 4.17 a gallon

The sadder part is it is Canada's oil

I was just thinking the same thing! (averaging about $1.15/litre in my area.)

And whats worse is the price can vary as much as 10-15 cents during the course of the day. Obvious manipulation to maximize profits during rush-hour.

I try my best to fill up as early or late as possible, can sometimes save quite a bit.

reply to post by Hatcookie


Thank you for your post. I agree. Here in the US, gas prices will jump up, but they never, ever, jump down. Personally, I think it's stealing

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by Janky Red

 

THE FREE MARKET!

Really. WOW.

Does the FREE market force known reserves to remain unused?
Does the FREE market not allow the exploration of new resources?
Does the FREE market not allow the creation of new oil refineries for the past 15 YEARS?
Does the FREE market allow the government to limit lawsuits on corporations?
Does the FREE market bail out their crony bankers, crony agencies, crony insurance companies, crony corporations?
Does the FREE market allow the government to sidestep bankruptcy law that has been precedent for centuries?
Does the FREE market allow government takeover of industry?
Does the FREE etc etc etc.

Quit attempting to define our market as FREE. It is a lie!

We have what is called a State Capitalism. Some use to call it communism, but hey, I am just a conspiracy factualist.

IT is not a free market, where did I say free market in this thread?

And is that an eight armed straw man???

Your party consistently blocks for corporations (big oil for example) by citing free marketeering. Yet they fail to point out the fact that they DEREGULATE just enough to benefit management at cost to consumers.
Why didn't the GOP want to investigate market making (ANTI FREE MARKET, MARKET MAKING) ?

They had an opportunity to strengthen free market principles by rooting out the unnatural market influence and what did they do???

what did they DO Mr. free Market???

$#%#$% ALL NOTHING!

They have YOU believe that remove one leg from a table helps make the table closer to the ground, it does


Do you realize that I say the same thing to you over and over and over and over and over again?

My argument never changes, because it is so finely honed on your hideous and irresponsible blind spot.

Do you think INTERNATIONAL cartels that act in tandem can even be influenced by the natural rule of free markets?

You know what you get when you do nothing Foam?

You know what criminals do when you do nothing?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Look, no one likes to see where gas is headed. Self included. Two of my cars require Premium. Ouch. But it is my understanding that it is Congress, not the Preident, that is solely empowered to introduce regulatory legislation. As far as the reserves, they are just that, for use in a national emergency. Brilliant.

It is getting a little tiring the way you attempt to BLAME EVERY SINGLE THING on the President. The recent increase in gas prices are directly related to incoming Congress. It's payback time for all those generous contributions by the oil industry. (the Republican Party’s No. 1 contributor)

We all know the president does not control gas prices. Gas price increases generally occur when the world crude-oil market tightens and lowers inventories. The biggest portion of the cost of gas goes to the crude-oil suppliers. This is determined by the world’s oil-exporting nations OPEC.

With GOP in control, the oil companies are able to set prices and gouge people as they saw fit under the Republican-held Congress and the Bush administration.

Your endless crowing reminds of a rooster angry at the daily sunrise. Thread = FAIL.

reply to post by kinda kurious


If you did not notice, I was using comparative analysis in the OP, wondering why just 3 years ago the MSM and politicians were screaming about the prices of fuel.

Now what? Hmmm, NOTHING.

By the way, what do you think the Dept of Energy is for? How bout the Dept of the Interior? How bout the Mineral Management services?

Hmmm, I wonder who is in charge of these agencies. Let me see......................................OH, that would be the executive branch.

But of COURSE you are going to say that the GOP has control of the house and that means it is their fault.

TYPICAL. Run along now, there has to be an echo chamber for you some where.

reply to post by Janky Red


I must have misinterpreted this part-

PRIVATE MARKET ITSELF RIGS PRICES BY INTERNAL MEANS. The market makes the market on its own, you seem to think it is like selling tamales in the park price war.

Nope, I do not think so.

Like I said, we are a STATE CAPITALISM style economy/market. That is where the government controls pretty much everything they can. You know, kinda like communism.

Over two years ago gas was hitting 4.00 a gallon....

It sneaks up like a thief in the night...people are trying to get to work..its abnormally cold for most of the nation..citizens are going through the motions without truly noticing...

From what I noticed we ( they) are just re-fueling and going trying to make it to work and get things done

I haven't read the whole thread so don't know if anyone has posted this info before.

US$3.25 = $3.22 Australian, roughly by today's value.

1 US Gallon = 4.546 Litres. Litres being the quantity Australians buy fuel at.

For Premium fuel without 10% Ethanol we pay A$1.45 per litre, as of when I looked last week.

1 US Gallon will cost me A$6.59 to buy here... or if you are visiting your converted $ will make it just over US$6.50.

Now complain about paying too much for fuel in your country.

Complain louder if your country has more than enough reserves to last hundreds of years

Complain even more loudly if you have to Import more Oil than you Export because some leader 20+ years ago signed you up to OPEC... and slapped a 40+ cents in the Dollar Excise on it.

Okay go nuts if you researched it in 1999/2000 and found that only 2% of Oil refined here is used for Fuel... and that as it leaves the Refinery it has cost 10 Australian cents per Litre!

Now sell the Car and Lawnmower to buy a Horse.

My outrage is exactly where it was when this gas price crap started right after Hurricane Katrina. I suppose this is what happens when corporations are allowed to make their own rules about "what the market will bear".

~Heff

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


There is no outrage because there is a democrat in the white house. When gas was this high with a republican the left went ballistic.

Now they just tell you stupid #$%^ like, "well just be glad you don't live in Korea, or Europe." Because they are hypocritical, arrogant, idiots, hell bent on reinforcing their own stupidity forever.

It's sorta like how the progressive left was anti-war two years ago, but now they say war is cool, so long as it's the "right war", or some other stupidly hypocritical, arrogant, buzzword they picked up from the Neo -Con playbook.

We have started to use less gas, we do not get more then $10 at a time and we walk or ride bikes to most places, we go to the grocery store that is the closest, ect.

All the gas prices are going to do is keep people from spending money and going places, right now we are stocking up on food that will last and we are going to start having chickens and rabbits and starting a garden once the cold starts to leave in another month or so.

Its time for people to start relying on themselves do it now learn how or it may be to late

if you own stocks, bonds, ect cash them in, buy supplies, convert to solar/wind power, dig a well for water, buy some guns and ammo, learn survival skills, if you end up not needing them great, but if you do and don't prepare then its your own fault.