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Originally posted by ZyPHeR
Even the informative picture you posted above CLEARLY STATES THAT THEY "LEASED" SPACE. THEREFORE, THEY HAD A "LEASE", wouldnt you agree?
Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Phil Jayhan
Thanks for (sorta) clearing up the Windows on the World discrepancy because it was definitely opened in 1977 for I was there but......in so many words, what is your point here?
It is known that the WTCs had a high vacancy ratio. A lot of businesses were moving headquarters out of Manhattan and into less expensive places, like NJ.
Also, I was there when they were first opening and renting out space. Like most highfalutin businesses, tenants wanted a 'room with a view' and even though the 'higher up' you went, the more expensive the rent, most people rented the higher floors (at first). After all, that was the main purpose of those towers. They offered a specular view for everyone on the higher floors.
So having the first few floors empty (most of the time?) is like seeing/expecting the tables near the kitchen/bathroom in a restaurant, empty. They're less desirable.
No doubt some of the tenants made a LOT of money after 9-11 but I think your efforts to find more problems with the tenants, won't yield much shock value.
Larry Silverstein walks away with dirty hands as does Guiliani! The Bush administration is almost totally responsible and the Commission Report is bullchit. Nineteen-hijackers are probably the work of fiction and at least two missiles were used in at least two cities that day.
We can pretty much end it right there and keep our wading energy on just those areas of the official lie.
But I really appreciate your passion in attempting to enlighten the minion. But you do once in a while make errors. But anyone who has something bad to say about your work are usually people who just don't want to see a broader picture.
I think we should try to keep this as basic as possible and work out those basic 'facts' first before we go leaping into areas (like tenants) that only/maybe are partially involved. It really doesn't matter in the long run because right now we have millions of people STILL being killed over in the Middle East because of Bush and 9-11 (and PNAC via Papa Bush)! And Obama is now an accomplice!
Originally posted by Lebowski achiever
For me it proves that there was opportunity to sabotage these buildings and a motive to do so. Great work. However, I am thinking you do yourself a disservice by claiming the victims didn't really die during this attack. It undermines anything else you claim and that would be a shame as you have some great info here!
David H. Rice - Alleged 9/11 Victim - Exif Data, Obit Created on 9/11/2001! Now this is extremely interesting. David H. Rice has a picture where the exif metadata digital stamp is showing the picture was last altered on 9/11/2001.
Notice the lower left of the Exif viewer, see the obit which was already written on 9/11/01. How would it even be remotely possible for a single person to be confirmed dead on the very day of 9/11? Why are there no other pictures available of this young hansom man? Why does it strongly appear by viewing the Exif data on this photograph that David H. Rice was somehow a fiction or a carefully prepared alias? Or perhaps something different altogether? This photos Exif data shows the last time this picture being taken and/or edited as that of 9/11/2001? This is rather disturbing because until now, it had appeared through our research that the only carefully prepared aliases were that of the passengers of the 4 flights, and at the Pentagon. David H. Rice and the Exif data on his photograph would now break this threshold and now show that at least one of the victims at the World Trade Center, David H. Rice, was perhaps a fiction or a carefully prepared alias.
And, with a fully formed, fully written short obituary?
David H. Rice Exif Data - Picture has Date stamp of 9/11/2001
Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by Human_Alien
A few months before the 911 attack I believe that I came into contact with 4 of the hijackers . I am a private pilot and flew into Flagler airport one Saturday and after leaving my plane spoke to a Middle Easterner who had landed after me and was securing his rented Embry Riddle Piper Archer . The three other individuals had walked away but when they heard us trying to talk they came back and looked very dimly upon me as they checked to see if anybody was watching . I felt as if they were going to attack me but the man that I first spoke to stepped in front of me and called them off . I was at that time completely shielded from the view of people at the FBO . I never understood what was going on untill I saw their pictures and the news about where they trained . I could have been their first victim .
Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by Lebowski achiever
Because that whole day is questionable, I too question some of the alleged victims.
Now, using the old six-degrees of separation formula, I still, in nearly 10 years, haven't met one person who knew (personally) any of the passengers or crew members.
So to question the validity of the passengers/crews lend warranted doubts about ALL the victims (EXCEPT the first responders that day and of course sadly, the office workers in those towers.)
Pentagon victims? Questionable.
Four airliner victims? Highly questionable!!
Still not sure what good the FOIA regarding the tenants is supposed to show us except what we already know which is: 9-11-01 was a total fabrication to go after a man (bin Laden) whose probably down in Paraguay sipping an umbrella-cocktail with the Bush's.
Thank you for all your work Phil----- from all of us!
Whats interesting here is that this "sketch" was written by an alleged friend of Mr. Beaven. This one gets a wee bit deep as well; It is amazing the amount of sheer dishonesty and artistic license taken in this story of Alan Beaven. If you will recall, everyone who read these bio's or "sketches" as the NY Times called them wept, and then wept some more, and prayed for their families. They were made to identify the reader with what amounts to a fiction. While there is still much mystery and intrigue that surround Alan Beaven, we can be certain of one thing, and that his 9/11 story was a lie. It is already apparent that his "sketch" is a fictional account. Actually it is a web of not so carefully crafted lies interwoven together.
We will also see many more lies throughout this story, even when he received a "U.S. Senate Memoriam." Another word for NY Times "Sketch" would be a falsehood or lie. Because it appears that hardly any of the victims of 9/11, regardless of where they were alleged to have been killed, can stand up to any careful scrutiny.
Alan Beaven is listed in the Victims Compensation Fund, and the claimant is Kimberly Beaven. As a citizen of New Zealand, Alan would not be listed in the U.S. Social Security Death Index. (SSDI) And as such, did not perform an extensive search in SSDI, but there are no records of any Alan Beaven for all the obvious reasons, being an New Zealand national.
Originally posted by wcitizen
Wow, you're doing an amazing amount of work and coming up with some very interesting info. Cheers.