Originally posted by iterationzero
Then maybe you should consult with one or do more research before posting things that are unequivocally wrong. Intuitive doesn't mean
I agree, HENCE THE COMMENT.
I ready through your post, it reads like you don't like me? I guess you've not read my other thread?
Anyway I am going to TRY
your post if I can, with my feeble Chemistry Knowledge.
I am sorry it took a while to respond, it took some time to type this.
2-Butoxyethanol - (Ethylene Glycol) Organic Solvent, (Anti-Freeze) - Toxic.
Yes, ethylene glycol is moderately toxic.
Moderately Toxic. 30-100ml KILL adults. How much do you think it may take for a 3 YEAR OLD
That is HIGHLY TOXIC
in MY BOOK.
LINK 1 - Wikipedia - 2-Butoxyethanl
But 2-butoxyethanol (aka butyl cellosolve, the stuff that gives Windex its characteristic odor) isn't the same thing as ethylene
AND I QUOTE
LINK 2 - Wikipedia - Ethylene Glycol
2-Butoxyethanol is an organic solvent with the formula BuOC2H4OH (Bu = CH3CH2CH2CH2). It is a colorless liquid with a sweet, ether-like odour.
It is a butyl ether of ethylene glycol.
AND I QUOTE
Ethylene glycol is toxic, and ingestion can result in DEATH.
See how I capitalised the word DEATH
Propylene Glycol - Oil based Solvent, mixes with water at any ratio
"Oil-based solvent"... no, not really.
I mean, sure you could make the argument that because it has a small hydrocarbon backbone,
Yes, I could and I AM.
LINK 3 - Wikipedia - Propylene Glycol
C3H8O2 or HO-CH2-CHOH-CH3
SMALL BACKBONE - Look at the Chemical Formula? I see a little more than a "small" hydrocarbon BACKBONE
and crude oil is really just mixed hydrocarbons, that it's "oil-based".
I am happy you agree that OIL from the Deep Water Horizon Spill is OIL BASED.
But I could make the same argument that you're oil-based.
, if you see my thinking, HYDROCARBON
based "compounds" have no problem "ABSORBING
based compounds. That is what makes this such a perfect delivery mechanism.
It has very minor solvent properties, and those properties are due to it being miscible in both organic solvents (like acetone) and water (by
the way, water is a solvent too).
See the perfection in this?
In this application, it's used as a cosolvent to bring together polar molecules (like water) and nonpolar molecules (like long chain
hydrocarbons found in oil) so that the nonpolar molecules can be dispersed in a dissimilar solvent.
, Now, the OPPOSITES
See the perfection in this NOW?
Organic Sulfonate - Suplhur Based Organic Acid
Again, calling this sulfur-based is like calling you sulfur based.
No, I am NOT suplhur based, I am CARBON based.
To be fair, they DO NOT give much away do they?
LINK 4 - Wikipedia - Organic Compound
LINK 5 - Wikipedia - Taurine
An organic compound is any member of a large class of gaseous, liquid, or solid chemical compounds whose molecules contain carbon.
Taurine, or 2-aminoethanesulfonic acid, is an organic acid. It is a major constituent of bile and can be found in the lower intestine and, in
small amounts, in the tissues of many animals, including humans. Taurine is a derivative of the sulfur-containing (sulfhydryl) amino
acid cysteine. Taurine is one of the few known naturally occurring sulfonic acids.
I went through all the "known" compounds, THIS
is the one that best FITS
the description of what they SAY
SUPLHUR BASED - ORGANIC ACID
have a better choice?
What you would have done if you were the powers that be is based on some faulty reasoning and "intuition", as I'm about to
Oh.... Dear... I BET YOU CAN'T
They have an Amino Acid, Sulphur Based, I look at Taurine, It's in Bile, in you, it's capable of eating oil.
They have a what now? An amino acid
That is what I see from "THEIR
" poor description.
? This shows that you have absolutely no idea what an amino acid is.
Perhaps, but I can READ
. (See answers above)
There is no nitrogen in any of the compounds in Corexit.
? Eh, I have not mentioned the stuff, I must admit though, there is plenty in our ATMOSPHERE
if you feel the "process" I
No nitrogen means no amine group. No amine group means it can't possible be an amino acid.
OK, from, "THEIR
" poor description;
Taurine is one of the few known naturally occurring sulfonic acids.
And why are you invoking taurine?
" Poor description. (See above)
And taurine "eats" oil? I don't even know how to respond to that one... what do you mean "eats"? Do you have a reference that it's
particularly reactive with oil?
From Wikipedia again: (See Link 5 above)
LINK 6 - Wikipedia - Bile
It is a major constituent of bile and can be found in the lower intestine and, in small amounts, in the tissues of many animals, including
Which Leads onto:
From Wikipedia again:
Bile or gall is a bitter-tasting, dark green to yellowish brown fluid, produced by the liver of most vertebrates, that aids the process of
digestion of lipids in the small intestine.
Which Leads onto:
From Wikipedia again:
LINK 7 - Wikipedia - Lipids
Lipids are a broad group of naturally occurring molecules which includes fats, waxes, sterols, fat-soluble vitamins (such as vitamins A,
D, E and K), monoglycerides, diglycerides, phospholipids, and others.
They mix the "Oil" in the water from the spill with the propylene Glycol, they attract each other, the Ethylene Glycol is the catalyst for
the sulfonate to convert the BP oil, into MORE Ethylene Glycol.
YES, I see from above I have given the conditions for it too happen?
Well, since there's no ethylene glycol in Corexit, this is already false.
Please REFER to points ABOVE
Further, a mixture of DOSS and propylene glycol (or ethylene glycol for that matter) won't "convert" the oil into anything.
From your arguement I cannot see how YOU
could possibly know.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how surfactants/dispersants work.
Oh, do I? I do not like the word "SURFACE
" dispersant either. Becasue I have a distint feeling this "EVAPORATES
" with the
. So it is probably in the AIR
Maybe your confusion comes from the layman's term "breaking down", as it was commonly used in news coverage of the spill.
I think I understand it quite well.
The dispersants used break the large mass of oil down into smaller droplets,
Smaller Droplets, WOW
, that means that the droplets will each end up with greater surface areas from which to evaporate.... You understand
about surface area?
This is sounding WORSE
they don't initiate a chemical reaction that breaks down the molecular structures found in oil.
A substance, quite possibly alive,
Supposition, you understand the word?
that converts OIL into ANTI-FREEZE.
possible to me and I AM NOT
Alive? Really? This is so completely fabricated out of thin air that I can't even respond adequately.
I just don't like those words. "ORGANIC COMPOUND
" - DO YOU?
There are plenty of good and scientifically valid reasons why Corexit should never have been used in the Gulf spill.
All your post does, with it's use of "intuition" and really bad science, is draw attention away from those good reasons. It ultimately does
the people suffering from related health issues a disservice.
I'd like to hear EVERYONE
else's views PLEASE