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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Drogonseeker bloke..

You know what is Right and what is wrong...... question is are you Strong enough to live by what you believe?

regards

PDUK




posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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I live in the real world and I understand the points you have made in your last two points. Yes, saying is easier than actually doing.

But keeping mum, not snitching gives license to crime and criminals to carry on.

Corruption in the police exists, how do you tackle it if no one tells?

How do you put murderers in prison if no one comes forward? And with the knowledge they wont get caught how do you prevent further crime?

Then how long before you and your loved ones become victims?

The UK politicians were caught with their hands in the expenses cookie jar because someone snitched, were they wrong?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by dragonseeker
reply to post by youdidntseeme
 


this kind of thing isn't my personal circumstance, #, I live in hollywood..look, not everyone has the means or the courage to stand up to a gangbanger. it's all well and good to flex on the internet, but, once someone puts some steel in your face, you might think twice. easy to act like a tough guy until it happens to you, just sayin'..

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The question isnt 'flexing on the interent' I have at no point in time encouraged others to take vigilante action.
The question here is about cooperating with a police investigation and providing evidence to a suspected crime.
This kind of thing is not outside my personal experience, as I have been in and out of the city of Camden, NJ, just outside Philly, more times than I can count.

One thing I have learned is to not be intimidated by anyone. Not the criminals, not the police, not your neighbors.
To allow crime to go unnoticed and unreported will only exacerbate the criminal problem.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Well I have not been in the USA for many years. I do know that one of the most powerful Trade union the UK is the Police. Every single spineless politician is kept in check by not wishing to loose "police goodwill" thereis no such thing the police are the only people who can stay over a shift into 15 minutes into the next and get paid for either half the shift or the whole shift depending on the Force.

Despite this digression

We need to inform on the criminals even if it is in anonymity.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by colin42
Youdidntseeme:

I have no need to start a new topic. My question is correct for this one.

For those saying 'dont snitch' is the correct course to take when witness to a crime then is the same action correct if the police see a crime being commited by another officer?

Expand that a bit more and If someone see's a policeman committing a crime should we not snitch then?

I used Moat and the G20 killing because others here keep using it to defend their keep quiet stance.


Well then be so kind as to provide some detauils here. If you want the debate, provide some facts to consider.
and to answer your question, yes if the police are committing a crime, then that crime should be brought to light.
Every department has an Internal Affairs division or equivalent, which like nothing more than to vilify the good cops along with tha bad.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by colin42
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First, most of your post made no sense. I dont use moat as a pargon you do.

Yes, if I see a crime I would be an informer. I make no bones about it.


For those saying 'dont snitch' is the correct course to take when witness to a crime then is the same action correct if the police see a crime being commited by another officer?

Expand that a bit more and If someone see's a policeman committing a crime should we not snitch then?

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BTW dont liken me to Moat again 'binlady



You are all over the place with your comments. To help you with your reading comprehension problem, the nick is "Ilovecatbinlady". I like the ironic take on that name unlike unimaginatively putting my name and age as a nick.

You are also confusing being a police informer with calling the police on 999 about an assault, a mugging, a rape a burglary with being an informer.

There are criminal informers who make a living from informing. They may even contribute to the commission of a crime in order to snitch. There are also civilian snitches who habitually inform the police for mischief making or for settling personal scores. From time to time, the police throw these freaks to the dogs for the hell of it.

Moat was an informer like you and was also a criminal. Something happened between him and the police and I think it was about money and they sent him to jail after many years of playing your game.

Personally I think it is great you admit to being a police informer and I always say it is worth examining people like you; something can be learnt.
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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As said I used Moat because others did. No I wont give further details as the man deserves to be forgotten.

www.independent.co.uk...

Is a link to more than enough info on him



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Again you liken me to Moat. Again I am telling you I take that as a personal insult, please stop otherwise you and me friend have nothing more to say to each other.

Snitching has not previously been linked in this thread to anything other than reporting a crime. You make a distinction of police informant. You again try to insult me by saying I am one and again fail.

Police informants it seems are an evil all police forces use at their risk, both to the police and the informer.

I on the otherhand am a law abiding citizen who would report a crime if I see one. That includes wrong doing by the police.

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Ilovecatbinlady


Your insistence that Colin42 is an informer ?? Leads me to believe that it takes one to know one ..!!

I have now read this thread (11 pages etc) and apart from the obvious idiots on it, the basics are as follows......

Do you trust the Police Y/N ?
If you see any crime do you inform the Police Y/N?

If you answer 'N' to either of the questions then we have a problem in society because it means that we are happier that Criminal gangs rule and run our society........ and ultimately dictate what the individuals do....

I know what I want and it isn't that !!!!

PDUK
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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The guy's trolling. I reacted and shouldn't have; other members have been polite and got shot down. The best thing is to walk away. Yourself, youhavntseenme, m0riarty, Colin42 and others have been pretty fair. Fairer than me, but we all have off days on ATS.

A good thing about ATS is that we can fall out on one thread and it doesn't carry over into others.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Nah mate. Only you were burned.

The whois "investigation" was hilarious and you are sore that I pointed that out.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, it was just funny.

Anyways, peace.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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ILCBL

'Burned' ? I would like to know your definition of that ?!

Were you conducting a survey or trying to instigate a verbal fisticuffs....?

Regards

PDUK



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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For those who responded to my comments:I'm actually agreeing with you, I'm not saying that those who stay quiet are right, it's just easy to condemn them from afar(which is most people who weigh in on topics like this do). get the business end of a .45 in your grill and a lot of people's civic-mindedness goes away. also, cops in bad neighborhoods do tend to have a corruption problem, lots of money, lots of pussy to be had for a cop if he's the type to stick his hand in the cookie jar;so if you report, yeah, it could be the detective who just took your report might be working with that gang on the down low. ask biggie smalls about dirty cops. oh wait. you can't.

it was dirty cops who set him up to get whacked.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by dragonseeker
For those who responded to my comments:I'm actually agreeing with you, I'm not saying that those who stay quiet are right, it's just easy to condemn them from afar(which is most people who weigh in on topics like this do). get the business end of a .45 in your grill and a lot of people's civic-mindedness goes away. also, cops in bad neighborhoods do tend to have a corruption problem, lots of money, lots of pussy to be had for a cop if he's the type to stick his hand in the cookie jar;so if you report, yeah, it could be the detective who just took your report might be working with that gang on the down low. ask biggie smalls about dirty cops. oh wait. you can't.

it was dirty cops who set him up to get whacked.


I think this the argument I am making. Being a devil's advocate is never appreciated. One criminal police officer is worse than a hundred criminals. A criminal police officer working only for a few years does so much damage is incalculable.

While there are only a few gangster cops, there are many low level bent cops that bend things a little and who keep their mouth shut.

There are police gangs up and down the country and most of them carry on without being busted.

Check this out;




Nine Enfield police officers suspended

Nine police officers have been suspended after an investigation by colleagues in the anti-corruption squad into suspected "mishandling of property".

The officers, all believed to be constables within the Crime Squad at Enfield, north London, were told this afternoon that they had been suspended in a pre-planned operation.

Two others have been placed on restricted duties.

Among other things the Crime Squad investigates the seizure of weapons, including knives and guns and drug offences.

It is not thought that the officers are alleged to have taken drugs or weapons.


www.timesonline.co.uk...

These cops have been knocking around for years shaking down people in the borough, running paid informer networks and getting kick backs, maintaining big budget RIPA investigations and so on.

They got caught coming into Haringey and shaking down known informers, getting freebies from brothels and they were even waterboarding victims.

I believe the case is still in court and each copper is getting a separate trial.

Now how the hell can you advise people to snitch to those kinds of characters. Use a payphone and don't give your name when reporting a crime.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Well i guess atleast when they are found out it means we don't have to shell out for their over-priced pensions..!!!!

I challenge your claim though about 100 criminals are not as bad as one bad policeman....... Your whole tone sounds as though you have GIVEN up and see no way forward...... it's a little sad..!

PDUK



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Check the link...www.enfieldindependent.co.uk...

It's open to interpretation.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Looks like they quietly announced the end of the case less than a month ago. Not really good enough when it was more than two who made allegations against them. There were 9 officers suspended and not all 9 water boarded the two chaps who not even criminals. They were guys in bedsit land that had their doors kicked in.

Looks like another cover up.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Kandinsky

I guess that there are always two sides to every story........... there is always anger from those whom claim persecution But then why are they in the 'firing line' in the first place...

I work with someone whois a nice chap, wouldn't (and probably couldn't') hurt a fly BUT sometimes his ''attitude'' is enough to make you want to skin him alive and dunk him in salt..
He rubs people up the wrong way without even trying !!! It is really sad becausee he sees it that the 'world' is against him when all that counts his a re-appraisal of his attitude to the world....... he can't (and will never) see it .....

There is no smoke without fire...unless you are really creative !!

Regards

PDUK
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Like I said, 'open to interpretation.'



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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I guess that there are always two sides to every story........... there is always anger from those whom claim persecution But then why are they in the 'firing line' in the first place...


I guess you are one of those people that blame the victims. You have heard the type before; a women gets molested and they ask what could she have done or what was she wearing to bring it on.

With regards to your friend, it sounds like he has Aspergers or is suffering from depression,




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