reply to post by daryllyn
I really have no actual evidence to back up the faith that I have. I really enjoy studying scripture (namely prophecy) and I feel like it is
right, It sits well with me. I believe it. I believe that the original intent has not been lost entirely. I cannot prove it to you, but i just know
it. I am sure that makes no sense to anyone. But, I cannot prove to you that God exists, you (or anyone else) cannot prove that He does
I understand "FAITH" - but I would be dishonest if i was to say i respect it. I need evidence to assert a belief.
A belief in God is one thing (Deism) but to go further and claim to know the being's thoughts/desires/commands/personality (THEISM or Organised
religion) is just absurd without evidence.
The logic and philosophy in the bible is often contradictory, if this really is the true word of God it would at least be somewhat enlightening to
even the modern intellectual. It seems it's morally, philosophically and logically detestable which is easy to understand when you accept the idea
that the bible is MAN-MADE, Our philosophy, morals has since evolved from these times.
Again, i can't prove that God doesn't not exist, but i CAN prove a few of the GOD(s) written about by men do not in fact exist. Earthquakes and
floods ARE NOT supernatural punishment, we live on a heating and cooling planet, it's not God.
Evolution negates the intelligent design idea, it shows we are evolved species, not created. Of course, you could just say God created "evolution"
but that has nothing to offer in debate, it's intellectually bankrupt.
Although i think reality is beautiful, it certainly is destructive - 99.8% of all species on earth have died out (we nearly died out at one point)
Gallaxies colliding and destroying much of their content in the process, Our Sun will eventually burn out, not before boiling the waters of our oceans
- I ask you, although this may seem "intelligent" - it certainly wasn't designed with us humans in mind, although we have been lucky enough to
survive so far. It's evident that "GOD" is malevolent, tyrranous and capricious, the God of the bible is even worse - I'm sure you've read the
story of Abraham and Isaac.
This is my position:-
Agnostic atheism, also called atheistic agnosticism, is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic
atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they claim not to know or be able to know
whether any deity exists. The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who does believe that one or more deities exist but
does not claim to have knowledge of such.
I don't believe ancient scripture to be evidence of God. (At a mimimum) this "GOD" waits 75,000 years of human evolution before introducing a
savior and enlightment in the form of floods and death to humans, this is not God, these are the thoughts of man. Also, the earth was not made 6,000
years ago but some Evangelical Christians believe it is despite evidence to the contrary.
I'm not being rude, and i respect you as a person, i respect your words and opinion for the purpose of this debate - this is just one thing we
disagree on but i'm offering my argument and you; yours
It's been a pleasure to exchange words, thanks for being so polite; Again, i don't intend to cause offense, People may have a disagreements in any
arena of debate; politics, sport, medicine, i don't think religion is different, and i don't think it is free from criticism.
P.S I don't think i ever "converted" to Atheism, i just never accepted the theory of God, or at least any of the organised religions theories. My
mind has always been wired this way; sceptical, inquizitive. I was raised in a family with vague faith, i sung hyms in school and enjoyed some of the
stories in the bible but had major concerns with the metaphysical claims (God, miracles, afterlife; heavena nd hell)