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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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Well hello tea partier! First of all, I like this thread. You stated where you stood and how you felt about being a tea partier and you also left open an opportunity for us to ask you questions. I think this is a great opportunity for people to come out and get into a real debate here, and a clean one, hopefully.

I've got many many questions for you, tea partier, as I have been one of the largest critics on this forum regarding the tea party movement. If you don't mind, I'd like to list my questions down here, and hopefully we can get the ball rolling by you or other tea partiers answering them.

When do you plan on removing medicare and medicaid? Do you believe that you will gain sufficient support within the conservative population to remove these programmes? It was afew months back that the GOP reminded their constituents of their support for medicare, a socialist healthcare programme, probably because there are many many elderly conservative supporters who rely on this. How do you get pass this dillemma? Is there a Dillemma?

The above question leads to my second question, how does the tea parties intend to sort out our health crises once they remove the previous healthcare bill?

I'd also like to know why, following the last elections, did the tea parties fail to get elected one single third party member? Instead we have Boehner, somebody who was a strong supporter of the Bush doctrine, take the reigns in DC. Do you not have issue with this?



There will be no problem with getting rid of the program. It will come about of it's own volition.

The Social Security trust fund is nothing more than an accounting device. It's coffers are filled with IOUs that future taxpayers must repay. We have already reached the point that payroll taxes will be insufficient to pay all of the promised benefits.

So just to sum up here. Our government has not only spent every penny of our tax money we send in each year , but has also spent every penny that we have,as requried by law to do, paid into The Social Security trust fund.

The same trust that currently holds no material assets other than US treasury bonds.
A trust that has the power to decide to whom and how much it will pay out in the future regardless of contribution.

Anyone with the intellectual ability to hold a job and pay into the fund has the brains to know that the SS system is unsustainable. The Baby Boom population is retiring and we won't hit our peak for several more years. Each and every one of them with one thought in mind. Get it now before it's to late.




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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I know how you feel, too. Hey, I'm starting to feel like I'm not so alone after all.


Hey, beezzer, I was wondering how you (and your Tea Party pals) feel about equal protection under the law (of gay people) and Constitutional protections (9th amendment) for women who want to get abortions. Just curious where the TP stands on those issues.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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I know how you feel, too. Hey, I'm starting to feel like I'm not so alone after all.


Hey, beezzer, I was wondering how you (and your Tea Party pals) feel about equal protection under the law (of gay people) and Constitutional protections (9th amendment) for women who want to get abortions. Just curious where the TP stands on those issues.


Can I - as a conservative - answer, too?

To me, abortion is just another personal choice thing like most conservatives want to defend. I (or my wife) might never choose that option, but neither of us is going to tell YOU that you can't choose that for yourself. Where it gets "iffy" for me are the late term/partial birth abortions where premature babies younger than that - like my stepson - have lived. At that point, maybe you're just killing babies for birth control. However, this can create yet another one of those slippery slope nightmares where banning part of something makes it easier to one day ban the rest of it.

And gay people are people ...



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Lets not forget where the tea party started. Tea partiers actually tell me that guy on the floor of the stock exchange started the tea party. lol. Rick Santelli? The media saw it as a threat then decided to control it. Some how Ron Paul turned into Sarah Palin. Somehow anti-war became pro war. Somehow the Military budget turned into one of the last things to be cut, instead of the first things.


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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by tncryptogal
 


I know how you feel, too. Hey, I'm starting to feel like I'm not so alone after all.


Hey, beezzer, I was wondering how you (and your Tea Party pals) feel about equal protection under the law (of gay people) and Constitutional protections (9th amendment) for women who want to get abortions. Just curious where the TP stands on those issues.


I would like to answer that if I may.

Currently gays have equal protection under the law. The law says that the state simple does not reconize same sex marriages. I vaguely remember my wedding and if I remember right it was a religious ceromony, the idea of the state reconizing that marriage was moot. So if two gay men wish to marry then what right of theirs is being harmed?

Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto God what is God's

If a women wishes to have an abortion that is on her concious not mine. Likewise it is on her dime, not mine.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Yep, that about sums up how I feel about it. I am personally against abortion most of the time, but I however do not feel my opinions and feelings should be imposed on others.

As for gay marriage, I personally don't see why anyone would marry, but that is just me lol. As usual if others want to do it, who am I to criticize?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Southern GuardianThe above question leads to my second question, how does the tea parties intend to sort out our health crises once they remove the previous healthcare bill?


Governments do not suffer from health issues (or as you call it a crisis) they are a human condition and entirely the responsibility of the individual to solve either get a job with benefits or pay cash. It is not the responsibility of the government or your neighbors to provide for your health needs.

If you have too many kids to provide for medically watching one die slowly will serve as a reminder that sex = babies and perhaps its not such a good idea to have more than one can afford.

The US Constitution does not provide a provision for the government to levy taxes to provide for health care of indegent persons.

States, cities, other localities or private charities may but not the Federal Government - sorry.











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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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First off, thanks for this thread. I'm not technically a Tea Party member, heck, I'm not technically a member of any party. (even though I have been labeled conservative & tea party)

Anyway, I'm not sure where I fit in in the political realm because my beliefs cross many party lines.

Here goes;

1)I feel less government is better & that we should work to slowly eliminate parts of/tone down the size of our government.

2)I feel we should do away with the IRS & strip away all current tax laws. (property, sales tax, all of them) I think that we should have a set percentage of income withheld from payroll. Using say 7% as an example, 3.5% federal, 2.5% state, 1% local. And that would be the revenue the governments at each level would have to work with. Budget wisely & work with what you have.

3)I feel gay couples should have the right to marry just like anyone else. They are adults & they are responsible for their decisions. I also see no problem with a gay couple adopting, or a single person for that matter.

4)I also feel that once a child is brought into the family, one of the parents, if at all possible, should become a housewife/househusband. I'm big on family and I think that much of the problems our youth face is because they lack at least one parent who is focused completely on them. Is that second income really worth it? Do you need the extra gadgets, the slightly bigger house, the newer car?

5)I'm against anyone taking a life unless necessary. That means I don't agree with the death penalty. I don't agree with abortion in most cases (more on this below) & I believe war should be an absolute last resort.

6)I feel everyone should have the right to express themselves & their beliefs as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. I also don't think anyone should push their ideals on others & we should respect the fact that not everyone will think/feel the same.

7)I feel we should have the right to own guns.

8)I'm big on personal privacy & any government intrusion in my personal space will make me very cranky.

9)I believe that the welfare system we currently have in place is broken beyond repair. And as harsh as this may sound, the only people I feel our society is responsible for taking care of are those who are unable to work (disabled) and our elderly. If you are fit to work, and don't, you should not expect society to pay your way.

10)As for the reason why I'm against abortion. Well, IMO, the choice is made when a person chooses to have sex. Pregnancy is just one of many possible ramifications of having sex. No form of birth control is 100% so if a pregnancy results, it is something that both parents need to deal with. The only time I agree with abortion is if that choice was removed (rape or incest) or if the mothers own life is in jeopardy.

11)I think we should better secure our borders. If someone wants to become an American, do it the legal way. Anyone here illegally is committing a crime and should be returned to their country immediately.

12) I think we should legalize pot. It is a personal decision one should be allowed to make.

13)I think alternatives to our nationalized public education system should be looked at. What works for a school in New York City may not be the same thing that works for a school in rural Kentucky. We need to stop making it seem like we all have to be laywers or doctors to be deemed a successful adult. There is nothing wrong with blue collar work & it shouldn't be frowned upon. Blue collar workers are often looked at as undereducated, unintelligent people, when that is not the case much of the time.

14)I think television, music and media in general is far to regulated. If a show wants to have a bare butt, then so be it. If I don't want my kids to see that bare butt, I'll do the parental thing & turn the tv off.

15)I think if an 18 can enlist and vote, they should be able to buy a beer. Choose a single age for adulthood & stick with it.

16)I think our justice system needs to be worked on. A person who serves on the jury should be given a quick class in what it means to serve on a jury & that they need to follow the law, not their gut, when voting. (I've heard once to often people talking about voting guilty simply because they felt like the person did it, not because the evidence reached the burden of proof.

17)And speaking of our legal system, IMO, we're a very lawsuit happy society. These mega lawsuits need to be curbed. (McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit comes to mind)

In general, I don't push my views on others, I respect that their views may differ & I expect the same in return. I could ramble further, I can't seem to sleep because of sinus congestion, but I'll stop before I get on one of my "long stories" as the kids call them.... lol


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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Did you even read the thread?

I think I am a Tea Partier. I am against globalization and the global police force. I also voted for Ron Paul last election.

See, this is what I do not like. You folks think you can define the entire movement. Maybe you should quit listening to the talking heads.

By the way, do you know how many incumbents got kicked off the primary elections in the national elections?

If you do not, maybe you should not speak from ignorance.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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I know how you feel, too. Hey, I'm starting to feel like I'm not so alone after all.


Hey, beezzer, I was wondering how you (and your Tea Party pals) feel about equal protection under the law (of gay people) and Constitutional protections (9th amendment) for women who want to get abortions. Just curious where the TP stands on those issues.


I wouldn't know how the entire Tea Party stands on abortion, for me, I'm against it. I'm a proud papa and I'm all about the miracle of life. Abortion is a moral issue. It has to do with whether or not you believe life begins at conception.
I'm sure there are Tea Party folks that are for it.

Frankly, it's never come up before.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 04:20 AM
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Thanks for your reply. As for whether or not you are Tea Party "material" or anyone else for that matter, there is no litmus test or profile you have to fit to become a member. At least in our group, we never bothered with any of that. We've had liberals come over, friends and such, who wanted to learn what was being said in our little cabels.


I think they expected illuminati-type rituals and human sacrafices.

I always brought up gold prices and the latest finds on gold, silver coins and such. I've been collecting (hoarding) since gold was at 375.00 an ounce. That is my retirement, insurance, call it what you will.
Then we'd talk guns, we were all big gun-nuts and schedule a meet at this range or that range.
We'd talk about who we supported and who we didn't support. We supported one candidate who won and beat a republican incumbant.
We'd talk about home-schooling options, there were several.

General stuff like that.

THEN, we'd sacrafice a liberal on the Chenney altar and hold an Illuminati ritual.


The liberals who sat in were generally bored witless in under 30 minutes.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Phedreus

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by tncryptogal
 


I know how you feel, too. Hey, I'm starting to feel like I'm not so alone after all.


Hey, beezzer, I was wondering how you (and your Tea Party pals) feel about equal protection under the law (of gay people) and Constitutional protections (9th amendment) for women who want to get abortions. Just curious where the TP stands on those issues.


I would like to answer that if I may.

Currently gays have equal protection under the law. The law says that the state simple does not reconize same sex marriages. I vaguely remember my wedding and if I remember right it was a religious ceromony, the idea of the state reconizing that marriage was moot. So if two gay men wish to marry then what right of theirs is being harmed?

Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto God what is God's

If a women wishes to have an abortion that is on her concious not mine. Likewise it is on her dime, not mine.


In all 50 states, one can't legally be denied employment or housing due to race, sex or religion.
In 32 states, one can legally be denied employment or housing due to sexual orientation.
Whether sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic like race and sex or a mutable characteristic like religion, all are not afforded "equal" protection under the law.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by Golf66

Governments do not suffer from health issues (or as you call it a crisis) they are a human condition and entirely the responsibility of the individual to solve either get a job with benefits or pay cash. It is not the responsibility of the government or your neighbors to provide for your health needs.

If you have too many kids to provide for medically watching one die slowly will serve as a reminder that sex = babies and perhaps its not such a good idea to have more than one can afford.



Oh wow. The spirit of this post is just foul. This is what has happened now that money, insurance, goverment have taken over as contrioling force behind medicine. When access to good levels of health care became related to the "job" or ones ability to produce wealth sufficient to cover "costs".

Meanwhile we send Doctors all over the world to remote areas to demonstrate western benevolence. Meanwhile back at the ranch......dont fall down and hurt yourself if you dont have insurance or are not an illegal alien.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Think of it this way. I would say generally people used to be smart, save for a rainy day etc. Then one day the government took that power away from people. They decided they should take money out of everyone's check and provide them for retirement and medicaid. People would have been better off putting that money in a savings account. Roll the time to now, and people expect everything as a given. Instead of saving for a rainy day, they spend more than they make, on stupid # like iphones. It's ok big brother will take care of me. Well now big brother is frikken broke, I don't know what is going to happen to people now, who paid in money forcefully taken from their paycheck for their SS and medicaid when they get old. They expected that big brother was going to take care of them, because he promised he would. I feel sorry for the old people that were duped.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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Great thought! This is why I believe strongly in personal responsibility. We are still the captains of our own destinies. We can be as successful or poor as we allow ourselves.

It is easy and rather lazy to blame others/government for the conditions that we put ourselves in. Granted, there are legitimate cases and issues, but those get lost in the fog of politics, ideology, self-centered greed, and selfishness.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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Thank you, Centurion. Do you consider yourself a Tea Party member?


Originally posted by Phedreus
Currently gays have equal protection under the law.


If you can tell yourself that and believe it, you're fooling yourself.


I vaguely remember my wedding and if I remember right it was a religious ceromony, the idea of the state reconizing that marriage was moot.


No, it wasn't moot. You get state benefits for being legally married to the adult of your choice. Gay people don't have that option. They are treated differently under the law. And what does YOUR marriage have to do with someone else's? NOTHING. You've answered the question. Thank you for that. You just prove my signature and this thread of mine: Both "Sides" Want to Restrict our Rights - Just Different Ones

Do you consider yourself a Tea Party member?


Originally posted by lynn112
8)I'm big on personal privacy & any government intrusion in my personal space will make me very cranky.


Thank you for your reply.
But aren't you saying that if the government wants to intrude into a woman's personal space (her womb), that's OK? In other words, you think they should make a law against abortion?

I'm against abortion, too. I personally wouldn't have one unless it was threatening my life, even in the case of rape and incest if the fetus was healthy. But I believe in REAL freedom, see. I believe each person should make the choices that affect their lives. I believe in personal freedom, personal responsibility and personal choice. And I mean I REALLY do. I don't just say that and then pick and choose the freedoms that people should be allowed.

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Thank you for your response. Just to clarify your answer, do you think the government should make a law against abortion? And you didn't answer about gay marriage.

I don't mean to change the subject of this thread, but I'm really curious to see if the Tea Party is REALLY for personal freedom from government or if they're just another branch of the conservative party (GOP) who wishes to continue eroding our freedoms.


If you read my position in the thread I linked above, you'll see why I'm not particularly fond of either major political party. And I want to see if the TP is all that different.

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Thank you for your post. It's disheartening to me to see people campaigning for smaller government and more freedom - and then turn around and somehow sneak in that they only want freedoms that THEY agree with. Those freedoms that other people want? They're not important and don't matter. It's not only disheartening, it pisses me off! It's hypocrisy!


Thank you all.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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Guess you missed my post. My oldest son is gay. I think they should have equal rghts.
As for abortion? No. Just making it illegal would not stop abortions. As a society, we need to put abortion clinics out of business by teaching responsibility and morality.

Now these are NOT Tea Party positions.



But they are positions of a Tea Party member.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Guess you missed my post. My oldest son is gay.


I didn't miss it. I just didn't want to assume that just because your son was gay, you wanted equal protection for gay people. See, that even speaks to my concern. Many conservatives don't want gays to have equal protection. UNLESS they have someone in their family who's gay. That brings it home for them. So, naturally, they want their child to have equal protection. Because it affects them personally. (I'm not assuming that's the case for you.)

Yet here I am (and many like me), not gay, having no gay people in my family, not in the position to have an abortion nor would I, but I support these freedoms for others. Who's the Tea Partier here? Who is really for less government across the board? And who gets called a "liberal" like it's a dirty word for supporting these freedoms?

Me.


So, there is no "official stance" on these two issues inside the TP? I mean, they seem to be in agreement about firearm issues, I wonder why they don't have a united position on personal freedoms...
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Any issue pertaining to gays, in my group at least, shouldn't have a government approve/disapprove stamp on it in the first place. I'm a conservative person. My finances, my "politics". But gay issues? Who cares. Really. What you do in the privacy of your home, whomever you choose to stay with for the rest of your life. . . . is a PERSONAL DECISION.
It doesn't affect me. So why should I give two hoots about the gay issue. My son? He's happy. He's employed. So as a dad, I'm happy. Who he brings to the house is his decision. Not mine, not yours, not the bigot down the street.

As for abortion. May in my group initially wanted that as a "platform". I talked some sense into them and they dropped it. Again, making it illegal won't stop abortions. The "back alley" will come back and women along with unborn children will die. I argued (successfully, I might add) that education and a return to personal responsibility and a turn towards morality would make a greater difference than just turning Roe v Wade.

Hope that clarrified.

The next meeting, you'd be welcome!




posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Just thought I should clear something up. There is no such thing as an official teaparty stance, on anything other than ending the fed. Anyone that says otherwise is probably someone that is involved with the hijacking, or came after the rightwings hijacked it, and doesn't understand how it started. It was just a bunch of people that decided it would be a great fun protest against taxation without representation(like the historical tea party) through the use of the federal reserve. It was during the whole Ron Paul movement, it went viral, when it started getting some real media attention, it was hijacked.
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