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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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It's not a crime to be mentally ill.

I have seen posters for whom I felt genuinely concerned.

However, there is nothing we CAN do other then to lobby our respective local governments to make the treatment of the mentally ill a priority.

It's hard for me to understand how the Arizona shooter was allowed to get as far as he did, where are the people who love him? Did no one notice that there were clearly issues?

I have a close relative who is mentally ill. It has been clear from her early teens that something is wrong. The family, who love her, did not ignore this problem, we actually did something, made sure that she got help.

It is our responsibility within our communities to look out for each other, If everyone took the time to just look after their immediate family, things like this wouldn't happen.




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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I am genuinely concerned for the safety of these people. One in particular.


I am 99.99% certain that I know who you are talking about . That person is obviously unstable and suffers from a severe form of paranoia . I have had my eye on this one for awhile now .

As for what to do about it , the only thing we can do is stay alert and if and when we feel intervention is absolutely neccessary , alert the staff and request that they start monitoring this person's posts . Could be s/he is simply paranoid and may never harm a fly , but I would rather err on the side of caution . Could be that s/he is already being clinically treated . I am inclined to lean towards this , from little indications I get from some of his/her posts .

There is also one other that concerns me , one who has been banned at least twice that I know of . Haven't seen another post from this one since the last time s/he was banned after I alerted staff , a couple days ago .

And , while I am not here to be the internet police , I do believe that each and every one of us should be aware of , and recognize potential threats . This does not mean that I am watching you simply because you believe in something that I find totally absurd .

I'm sure that you know what I am saying network dude , although others will probably give me flack for what I am saying .

But yes , I am fairly certain that I am aware of who it is that is raising this concern for you .


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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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double dip .
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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The thing is, you really can't and shouldn't judge what anyone types or records online...no matter what might happen after that you can look back at in retrospect and say, "Ah ha!" Probably 90% of the people who might appear "crazy" to you are probably just messing around or trolls or seeing how far they can push it. It's an extremely slippery slope to even think of analyzing people's comments nevermind acting on them. It would be tough going for even trained psychoanalysts...nevermind peers. The best place to watch for, identify, and treat actual lunatics is in real life, among family and friends...and that's probably where we should focus our efforts if we're serious about being more vigilant.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Merigold
It is our responsibility within our communities to look out for each other, If everyone took the time to just look after their immediate family, things like this wouldn't happen.


First tell me what is mentally ill?

Then explain how what you describe is not like what is described as gang stalking? Everyone grouping together to target an individual, to either ruin there life, or make them do something. I bet the police know all about this tactic, and why is it used to target people who have done nothing?

What amazes me is that would you call sane, is all the criminals, and psychopaths who work for police and gov, lol.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Lol you sound like stasi police and how they depict society lol.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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you do understand my reply had to do with tolerance and not advocating mass murder.
I used to thing that a Satanist was pure evil and anyone who didn't believe in God was pretty much the same. I was taught indirectly that cults were wrong and anything that fell outside of normal religion was a cult. IE- freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Paganism. In learning to be tolerant to understand other points of view, I have learned a huge amount about other people and other trains of thought. I just wish everyone could see things that way. You don't have to become a Satanist to understand what they believe.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by ~Lucidity
 


Lol you sound like stasi police and how they depict society lol.


I don't see that in any way, shape, or form. Thinking you totally misread. Please clarify.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:18 AM
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not interested in trapping, only helping. I get what you are saying, and we are on the same page.
If there was a person on this forum who started talking violent and we noticed a trend of crazyness for a while, what could we do? What should we do?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by andy1033
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Lol you sound like stasi police and how they depict society lol.


I don't see that in any way, shape, or form. Thinking you totally misread. Please clarify.


sorry it meant to be posted in reply to okbmd. here


Originally posted by okbmd
You ever set live-traps ? Works every time .Wouldn't you agree ?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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and to everyone here who is reading this and quietly laughing you yourself. Yea, I get the irony. I am on a site full of people who believe everything from 9-11 inside job, to hollow Earth, to Alien invasions, to 2012 end of world scenarios. It goes without saying that we are all a little crazy. When "crazy" is relative to what Main Stream Media portrays. So I guess I have come full circle and deduced that in fact I am the lunatic here. Thanks for all the help in finding my way.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Whew! Been called a lot of things but never a stasi



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Satan worshiping should be a huge red flag that something is seriously wrong.

Freedom of religion shouldn't include ...


Freedom of religion shouldn't include ? What kind of crock is that ? Yea , maybe in your view of things , but that's not how it works here in the real world .

Freedom of religion shouldn't include anything that I disapprove of ? I can't believe you would even imply such a thing . This attitude is no better than the muslim extremism you berate . Think about it .

You wanna talk about red-flags ? Well , here's my take on that ... I think it should raise a red flag every time someone claims that a virgin gave birth to a child . And every time someone claims that a guy was killed , but then rose from the dead three days later , and then magically floated off into space . THOSE should cause red flags .

But this is not the proper thread for that discussion .



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by DrMattMaddix
 


you do understand my reply had to do with tolerance and not advocating mass murder.
I used to thing that a Satanist was pure evil and anyone who didn't believe in God was pretty much the same. I was taught indirectly that cults were wrong and anything that fell outside of normal religion was a cult. IE- freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Paganism. In learning to be tolerant to understand other points of view, I have learned a huge amount about other people and other trains of thought. I just wish everyone could see things that way. You don't have to become a Satanist to understand what they believe.


I have studied the practices of many religions. Tolerance is the slippery slope.

A family member went to AA and after months without contact, we talked and they had a new 'religion' given by AA. Not really a religion because of the famous twisting of our Constitution... "Separation of Church and State" (OOps they meant, Establish any religion... ie: Creating a state run and endorsed religion.)

Man, I'll tell you after many long talks ... that family member is disowned. They stopped drinking and that was ruining their life. Not my family member anymore. They became a stranger. Worse because the bitterness remained.

I understand what many believe. And I understand that many are mislead. It doesn't take any nutjobs to screw in a lightbulb, they like the darkness.

At the very least believe in self. They don't teach that anywhere do they?

If you were trying to advocate on behalf of the 'moderate satanist' that only kinda likes and worships death... OK

If you put any diety on satan ... it's all the same flavor though. Satan is Death. One is absolutely equal to the other. The terms are interchangeable. I don't know how else I can state it. People just won't believe it though.

Love that darkness. I can haz BuTTeRy PoPCoRNz in da DaRKNeSS. The movie willz begin shortly.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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I know exactly what you mean, NN.

Please don't give him a hard time for posting this. Read the OP carefully, he is not advocating that we should label anyone crazy or dangerous because of the content of their posts. It's all about the form - and I would have to agree that in my personal opinion there are people here who show clear signs in the form of their postings of things that would worry me and would motivate me to intervene if this wasn't a message board.

I'm kind of familiar with this since I held a job or two in education and you always get confronted with such things in that field. Your post has made me aware of the fact that I live by a double standard: What I believe to merit an intervention in my everyday life does not concern me online. I remember reading one of Jared's posts, and how I almost wrote something nasty in reply to it, something along the lines of "you should get help, you show clear, text-book-like characteristics of someone who is losing it" but I never hit the reply button. Because online, no one seems to be responsible, it's so easy to just walk away online while it's nearly impossible in real life.

But then again. Can or could we really help? I once U2U'd someone who kept spreading a known falsity on this board - he really was troubled by the supposed "truth" - and I thought I'd make his life easier by giving him the tools to realize that it is nothing but a falsity and therefore nothing to get worked up about. From that day on he considered me part of the conspiracy and therefore "the enemy".

There's this book called "The Tyranny of Good Intentions" - a fitting title to consider in this thread, isn't it. In the cases your refer to, dear Network Dude, is intervention by random posters not something that is more likely to worsen the problem than to solve it? Would inclusion of MODS and ATS staff not in the worst case even feed delusions?

This is really tricky. In these fields helping can sometimes end up in producing the very outcomes one wanted to prevent in the first place. So I'm really on the fence concerning the question you pose in this thread.

Rest assured that you are not the only one puzzled and troubled by this dilemma. Thanks for the thread.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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The irony is if your looking for truths, you more likely to be safer than those who are ignorant.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Everyone is looking for truth in some way.

We aren't that original, after all. We just tend to look in other places.

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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No, most people just drink themselves into oblivion.

The ptb want people to commit crimes, and the police only exist as people commit crimes. So what happens if people like us do not commit crimes, the police will be pissed. Police and gov exist to show that we need them to exist.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by DrMattMaddix
 



Satan worshiping should be a huge red flag that something is seriously wrong.

Freedom of religion shouldn't include ...


Freedom of religion shouldn't include ? What kind of crock is that ? Yea , maybe in your view of things , but that's not how it works here in the real world .

Freedom of religion shouldn't include anything that I disapprove of ? I can't believe you would even imply such a thing . This attitude is no better than the muslim extremism you berate . Think about it .

You wanna talk about red-flags ? Well , here's my take on that ... I think it should raise a red flag every time someone claims that a virgin gave birth to a child . And every time someone claims that a guy was killed , but then rose from the dead three days later , and then magically floated off into space . THOSE should cause red flags .

But this is not the proper thread for that discussion .


OMG I can't believe someone actually defends DEATH (as satanism the worship of satan = worship death.) AND defends the rights? of extremist Muslims ... Yeah the REAL Muslims ... Get this... hard to believe I know... but ask the NON Moderates IF you live through it... They want you converted or you get to meet your maker; unless of course you are an atheist... In which case you get to be worm foodz.

Nice try at berating. LoLz
I KNOW that you can do better but don't... please.

And yeah Freedom of religion isn't freedom to kill others in the name of allah. Not in this country.

Did you know that in many many other countries child porn is legal and condoned??? Not in the USA.

What kind of country are we shooting for? Why isn't child pr0nz legal in USA? Looking to tolerate that too? LOL @ Uz. It's OK elswhere... but I digress.

Most mainstream accept satanism as 'freedom of religion' because some nutjob in the early 70's (remember post psychodelic 60's) in San Francisco inserted himself into pop culture.

Here we are today still tolerating death worshipers as OK in society because noone has the testicles to have them evaluated honestly and, if necessary, put away.

I'm saying satan worshiping is a big red flag. Death worshiping is a huge sign they intend to activate their sacrificial duty. Someday. Just like Radical Muslims will. If they don't they aren't following their beliefs.

If you can help someone in forums ... GO FOR IT. If not (that's more likely), leave it to THEIR closest friend/relative.

Some Christians are going to fly away ya know.
Depends on ones interpretations. Jesus RoCKs.
God doesn't need you or me. If you aren't noticed though, there's probably a great reason. Didn't ask.

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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You can't help. Not online. Not without stepping over a LOT of boundaries you don't want to step over. Not even if people threaten to commit suicide. First of all you don't know if it's real. Second you don't know where they are. Third you can type away and they will either suck you into their sick game or do it anyway. You're simply not that powerful online. Sorry. You can't fix the world or save people online. Worry about your REAL world and your REAL friends and family, and if everyone does this, it's the best we can do.




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