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Belief (or faith) itself hidden with a conspiracy?

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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Dear Truth01

I do believe I am staying on the subject. The point being that you say Jesus will stop abduction.

First you have to believe that Jesus in the son of GOD and the only place you can get that idea form is the Roman Catholic Bible.

Which was edited by pagan Roman Emporia.




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by Truth01
Ok, I don't want to keep repeating myself but Catholicism is not a faith - it is a religion just like Buddhism.


Buddhism isn't a religion, that's a misconception. Some say it's a philosophy and even though that's also wrong, it's maybe closer than saying it's a religion. The teachings are about eliminating stress, attachment, delusion, etc, and there's no Gods or Goddesses involved. (although many people think Buddhas are what Buddhism sees as Gods and Goddesses, they're not. More like teachers/guides.)



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:22 AM
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If that is the case MAC, why are aliens so afraid of Jesus? Why do they flee in his name? Why can they not harm one who is holy-spirit filled?

You are not just debating this with me, but with the 200+ cases from www.alienresistance.org...

As far as the bible being a construction of Catholicism, that is not proven. It is from the dead sea scrolls, written by God's disciples which of course you will not believe unless you are Christian yourself.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Dear Truth01

It is true I am jealous of this Christian Faith I really do wish I had it.

If you believe in Christ you are a Catholic perhaps not a Roman Catholic but it is all the same book the bible according to the Catholic Church.

Effectively they rote it.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Sorry MAC but now you are actually offending my belief system. I am not labelling you as something you are not so do not label me. I am a Christian, which is not Catholicism. Please stick to the topic.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Dear Truth01

From Truth01 “As far as the bible being a construction of Catholicism, that is not proven.”

It is proven it was presided over by Constantine in 325AD at the council of Nicaea, where perhaps the truth of all the other gospels where not only rejected but destroyed.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Mac -

No, Constantine did not form or collate the Bible. In 306 AD, Constantine (274 – 337 AD) became ruler of the Roman Empire. He gained his fame for becoming the single ruler of the Roman Empire (after he deceived and defeated Licinius) before supposedly converting to Christianity (his conversion is debatable).

In 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea, which was the first general conference of the Christian church. Constantine had virtually nothing to do with the forming of the canon and it was not even discussed at Nicea. Instead, the council that formed decisions about the canon took place in 397 in Cathage. This was 60 years after Constantine’s death.

It is important to note that 21 books were acknowledged by Christians long before Constantine. In AD 330, Constantine did finance the copying of 50 Christian Scriptures. However, this was not a new Bible, and he did not omit any of the already accepted books.

So, how did Constantine alter the Bible? There is no historical evidence that he did!


Ok back to discussion please - Jesus stops alien abductions!!



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Truth01
If that is the case MAC, why are aliens so afraid of Jesus? Why do they flee in his name? Why can they not harm one who is holy-spirit filled?

You are not just debating this with me, but with the 200+ cases from www.alienresistance.org...

As far as the bible being a construction of Catholicism, that is not proven. It is from the dead sea scrolls, written by God's disciples which of course you will not believe unless you are Christian yourself.





Truth01, your are entitled to your truth, as we all are to ours. There is black/ white...hot/cold....fast/slow....ie everything has an opposite. So if you believe in ' God' there will be your ' Satan'.
Just that for me, they are all ETs and I cant wait to check out the link you have provided to say that aliens are afraid of Jesus. Hmmmmmmmmm.
BTW, there is a black sheep in every family.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Sure Annella, but like you said in the other thread, to stick to the topic
, my topic is why 'ET'S' in a ce-4 situation, are so afraid of Jesus - or I should say holy-spirit filled Christians??



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Oh and why this disclosing information is not accepted by many in the UFO community?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:01 AM
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Sorry, but where's any evidence that this actually does work? A few peoples online testimonies don't count- I could recite an elaborate story about how I found out that Mars bars are alive and one had actually spoken to me and told me they're waiting for the end-times before they reveal themselves, I could then get a few of my friends to back me up- that's not evidence. That site you cited appears like it's just trying to sell books to me.

If you believe in all this, there is only one "logical" answer, it's not really up for discussion if you're not up for debating anything other than the reason behind your statement, which you take for 100% fact. You're operating on so many assumptions here, some of which are illogical, I don't know how you can expect to have a truly logical conversation.

Why would it be accepted by the UFO community? You've failed to cite anything which truly backs up any of what you're saying and it's basically complete conjecture. You're entitled to your own beliefs, but you can't act surprised that very few others believe it, when it's purely based on stories (slightly ironic statement in a thread created about religion).
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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SB - Alien abduction is a belief in itself.

It is not 'fact'. It is only believed by those who choose to believe it. I choose to believe those who have stopped their abductions. The UFO community is supposed to be a community that is accepting of abduction beliefs, which are not based on fact but people's experiences - why are Christian experiences NOT accepted.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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Yes, I know it is, that was partially my point regarding operating on assumptions, one of them being assuming alien abductions are actually real and cannot be explained away by hoaxes or hallucinations of some sort (not necessarily my belief).

There are a few reasons the UFO community wouldn't accept it:
1) a few of said researchers believe in ancient alien theory, totally going against the story of Christ
2) a few of these researchers will not believe in Christ whatsoever, unrelated to ancient alien theory- there is no proof Jesus was in any way the son of god and indeed some still dispute his existance whatsoever.
3) your opening statement only cites 200+ cases of this working- statistically, if alien abductions are real, then it is almost guaranteed there will have been many more Christian abductions than this (unless you argue that aliens usually try and avoid Christians altogether) and in this context 200 is a very low number and could imply quite a low success rate.
4) aliens in abduction cases have very rarely been known to speak English, it's another assumption that they would even understand the words coming out of our mouths, let alone the implications behind them.
5) how can anyone claim to know aliens motives? It's quite an assumption to believe that just because you said Jesus Christ, or whatever you're supposed to say, they left out of fear or respect of some kind. It could have been coincidental timing, it could have been because they thought you weren't worth their time because your belief system is based upon here say (not trying to offend, just throwing ideas out.)
6) it's assuming that aliens even know who Jesus is.
7) Most importantly, there's no evidence! Most legit ufologists, who aren't in it to exploit and make money, will at the very least use more in-depth case studies as evidence than these.

You're also operating on the assumption that there is a specific UFO community- even religions which have specific holy books for referencing have many different sects, let alone a subject such as UFOs, which is still highly hypothetical. There are books cited on the website your OP links to, is that not recognition by the UFO community? How do you define the UFO community? There will be many differentiating opinions through-out it, there is no specific set of rules in ufology and it is difficult to pin-point who is and isn't a member of said community in the first place.

Addressing the issue at the core of the thread, why would there even be a conspiracy? You seem to imply that the UFO community know that Jesus' name alone can prevent abductions and they are surpressing this information. Are you suggesting that the majority of ufologists are in on some nefarious plan, in which TPTB allow aliens to abduct us, when it could easily be stopped?
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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I do not believe the ETH. I believe that these are spiritual encounters that have been around since the birth of humankind. How does the OP's author account for the Christians who have been abducted? Did they lack the necessary amount of Christ within them?

As I see it behind the Christian propaganda seen on the website and in the OP there may be something of significance to be gleaned about the human condition regarding a bewildering phenomenon.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by ScepticalBeliever
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Yes, I know it is, that was partially my point regarding operating on assumptions, one of them being assuming alien abductions are actually real and cannot be explained away by hoaxes or hallucinations of some sort (not necessarily my belief).

There are a few reasons the UFO community wouldn't accept it:
1) a few of said researchers believe in ancient alien theory, totally going against the story of Christ
2) a few of these researchers will not believe in Christ whatsoever, unrelated to ancient alien theory- there is no proof Jesus was in any way the son of god and indeed some still dispute his existance whatsoever.
3) your opening statement only cites 200+ cases of this working- statistically, if alien abductions are real, then it is almost guaranteed there will have been many more Christian abductions than this (unless you argue that aliens usually try and avoid Christians altogether) and in this context 200 is a very low number and could imply quite a low success rate.
4) aliens in abduction cases have very rarely been known to speak English, it's another assumption that they would even understand the words coming out of our mouths, let alone the implications behind them.
5) Most importantly, there's no evidence! Most legit ufologists, who aren't in it to exploit and make money, will at the very least use more in-depth case studies as evidence than these.

You're also operating on the assumption that there is a specific UFO community- even religions which have specific holy books for referencing have many different sects, let alone a subject such as UFOs, which is still highly hypothetical. There are books cited on the website your OP links to, is that not recognition by the UFO community? How do you define the UFO community? There will be many differentiating opinions through-out it, there is no specific set of rules in ufology and it is difficult to pin-point who is and isn't a member of said community in the first place.

Addressing the issue at the core of the thread, why would there even be a conspiracy? You seem to imply that the UFO community know that Jesus' name alone can prevent abductions and they are surpressing this information. Are you suggesting that the majority of ufologists are in on some nefarious plan, in which TPTB allow aliens to abduct us, when it could easily be stopped?


Firstly I need to ask you something important SB - do you believe in alien abductions, ce-4 cases be it from Christian or non-Christian at all? I am trying to see your standpoint in all of this. I believe in all who say they have had a ce-4 experience, and I myself have experienced triumph over satan in similar experiences. However I could debate this all day with you, but unless you actually believe those who say they are abductees, I really can't debate with you when this is all faith based.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:50 AM
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Yes, I do believe in some (I realise there are a lot of hoaxers out there)- though I try as much as possible to leave my beliefs to one side for any debate, in an attempt to remain emotionally neutral and instead use facts. Of course, I fail fairly often, I'm just a crappy human



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by Truth01

Originally posted by ScepticalBeliever
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Yes, I know it is, that was partially my point regarding operating on assumptions, one of them being assuming alien abductions are actually real and cannot be explained away by hoaxes or hallucinations of some sort (not necessarily my belief).

There are a few reasons the UFO community wouldn't accept it:
1) a few of said researchers believe in ancient alien theory, totally going against the story of Christ
-That is their opinion, it does not explain why having a r/ship with Jesus stops abductions
2) a few of these researchers will not believe in Christ whatsoever, unrelated to ancient alien theory- there is no proof Jesus was in any way the son of god and indeed some still dispute his existance whatsoever.
-That is their opinion, it does not explain why having a r/ship with Jesus stops abductions
3) your opening statement only cites 200+ cases of this working- statistically, if alien abductions are real, then it is almost guaranteed there will have been many more Christian abductions than this (unless you argue that aliens usually try and avoid Christians altogether) and in this context 200 is a very low number and could imply quite a low success rate.
-More and more christians are coming to know the truth and stopping their abductions When I stated 200+ this number is growing. Many christians themselves still do not know about this, and only now are coming to the realisation of what the beings are through testimony. Furthermore this number is most likely much higher, I am only stating the cases on the site - not every human
4) aliens in abduction cases have very rarely been known to speak English, it's another assumption that they would even understand the words coming out of our mouths, let alone the implications behind them.
-Well they seem to run when Jesus comes on the scene!!
5) Most importantly, there's no evidence! Most legit ufologists, who aren't in it to exploit and make money, will at the very least use more in-depth case studies as evidence than these.
-Theres no evidence of alien abduction itself, but that is not what this thread is all about.

You're also operating on the assumption that there is a specific UFO community- even religions which have specific holy books for referencing have many different sects, let alone a subject such as UFOs, which is still highly hypothetical.
-Well what would you call this forum?
There are books cited on the website your OP links to, is that not recognition by the UFO community? How do you define the UFO community?
-UFO community - a body of people who believe in the existence of aliens as beings from space/other dimensions etc, and furthermore abductions. That is all.

Addressing the issue at the core of the thread, why would there even be a conspiracy? You seem to imply that the UFO community know that Jesus' name alone can prevent abductions and they are surpressing this information.
-I see many topics in this forum on aliens/ufo's, abduction experiences etc, not many on abductions that are stopped by Christians. Furthermore many attacks that come with this knowledge. Do you see many people attacking your belief in aliens?
Are you suggesting that the majority of ufologists are in on some nefarious plan, in which TPTB allow aliens to abduct us, when it could easily be stopped?

-Not at all!! I just wonder why such a believing community of people do not spread the word more how the abductions are stopped. I never once said they are the reason why people are being abducted, but hey if you knew a cure to a disease, wouldn't you spreads the word?




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 04:02 AM
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Either way SB I need to know for sure your standpoint exactly - are you a believer in alien abduction or not?

Out of all the abduction cases I have read, they are horrific and a complete degradation to the human being. More importantly however they all can be stopped by Him.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Truth01
I believe if you do not want to be abducted, you don't have to be - that no matter who you are, no matter what you've done in life, you can have Jesus on your side 24/7 protecting you in this spiritual war we are in.


Err what the heck has gold old JC done for the starving people in africa? to say that if you do not want to be abducted then you don't have to be is completely and utterly wrong. Try telling that to the countless people aourn d the world who have been abducted against their will be something that our governments refuse to tell us are real.

I have read your post and it reads as though you have not done your homework instead your trying to impose your own belief on to others. This is the problem with religion, it cannot be transferred so easily to people who actually bother to pick up a book and learn about our true history.

Religion (as in the tripe that is peddling our planet) has NO place in the abduction phenomena



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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If you believe in God and you do I see. You believe that he created heaven and earth and he created us in his image. He created the heavens and the earth. The heavens ,do you not see that word right there. And all within the heavens he created also if your faith is what you say it is. He created the Aliens also. There should be no doubt that what happened here happened elsewhere,. We have already confirmed that bacteria lived on Mars. Thats life on another planet that God created. He created the living bacteria that lived on another planet other than ours. Life on another planet. I know I keep repeating what I am saying because I want to make sure you digest it . These others who are intelligent as we are were also his creation. There may be good and bad aliens as there are good and bad people. God must have given this free will to all of his intelligent creations. These are not demons just other lifeforms.




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