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Belief (or faith) itself hidden with a conspiracy?

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:54 AM
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I started a thread a few weeks ago on this topic, having a r/ship with Jesus stops alien abduction and my thread was removed because I had apparently plagiarised something, be it my post, something I had said in my thread or perhaps my belief itself. Either I want to start up another thread in this forum which is here to uncover conspiracies.

This is a conspiracy no matter how you look at it, simply because the evidence is denied by so many in the ufo community. What evidence am I talking about, only 200+ cases proven to stop alien abduction here www.alienresistance.org... This after all is what a conspiracy is, when truth is denied, is it not?


I believe humanity deserves the truth about the alien agenda. I believe people can stop being tortured with experiences. I believe if you do not want to be abducted, you don't have to be - that no matter who you are, no matter what you've done in life, you can have Jesus on your side 24/7 protecting you in this spiritual war we are in.

I have heard people ask in here what is a christian? That christians are not really christians because they are nothing like Jesus, no where near as good as he was. Well humans sin, he died on the cross for that reason but he came back, is alive today and our passage to eternal life. This is not easy, many Christians fail in their walk it is true, but His word tells us we will but will always have salvation in him.

However this post in a not a debate about Christianity, it is about uncovering a conspiracy.

Aliens tell us other, that they are our creators, we are reincarnated. Yet they seem to also flee from those holy-spirit filled. If a being so powerful to abduct one, walk/float through walls, from another planet no doubt is stopped by this divine relationship, then what exactly is going on here? Why does the UFO community denounce Christian faith such as Joe Jordan and his research from Ce-4?

If all abduction cases are to be believed, then why can't the power to stop them be believed as well?




posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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There is no actual difference between the capabilities of "aliens" or "angels /demons".

If Jesus does indeed repel the aliens, than this would be very interesting indeed.

I'll give you this, if any aliens pop up on me all trippin me out, I'll test this interesting theory.

I don't expect that to happen, but if it does, I hope your plan works. Nothing else really will, those aliens have really really powerful technology if they exist the way we suspect they might.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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You are obsessing about alien abductions and intertwining it in Christianity, imo.

You do realize over 2 million people (a 2002 study said 800,000 children btw) are year are abducted/kidnapped a year by other HUMANS? A large % of which are never seen again?

And at least the aliens return the people & wipe their memory clean of the event, lol.

You need to also know that much of Christianity was simply taken from earlier sources, especially the Sumerian, and that much of what was in the Old Testament was removed (them cherry picking what they want in it and out of it). So I would not necessarily think there's anything magical or special about the "power of a Christian", as far as protection against foreign invaders goes. If that was the case, 9/11 would not have occurred. If the power of believing in Jesus mattered, then Mexico wouldn't be so #ed up with all its Catholics.

Sorry to say, but religion is a lot of nonsense if you take it to be a savior or in a literal sense. It teaches important fundamentals tho & there actually is something scientific to prayer working. Me personally, I am extremely spiritual but not religious in the least. But people have different preference & perspectives, so I can't judge, I only can give a different pov.

Also, you do know in the Old Testament "angels" had physical bodies, telepathy, teleportation and had sex with women!?!? That seems to be like a physical being to me, perhaps even misinterpreted aliens from what it sounds like (angels by definition are extraterrestrial too). Not all aliens are evil, there's certainly no proof to this & if they were, people would know it for certainty. I'm sure there's far more 'evil', psychotic, greedy, murderous, unstable humans than there are any super advanced beings. You want to make a religious comparison then saying man = the devil and aliens = angels makes sense. This is debatable of course, but that's my perspective.

PS I am an alien overlord! Be careful, Truth01, I'm coming to get youuu!!

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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Muzzleflash - actually you can try test the theory but unless you actually have a r/ship with Jesus I cannot state to you whether it will work or not as well. You need to be in a r/ship with Jesus, that is believe he died on the cross for us, he rose again for us to have eternal life, that he is king of kings lord of lords. Otherwise you may get the same drabble others have from these stupid demons that 'Jesus does not exist'.

Masonic - Thankyou for your opinion however is it ok if I ask you to please stick to the topic. Aliens are demons simply because they are stopped in His name. If Jesus is not powerful then why is this so? Furthermore I stop demons in Jesus name so there is no need in sending the 'aliens' after me, they already are and it's actually quite hilarious and pathetic just how much!! Satan knows me and hates me because I know the truth about his little deception, and furthermore hates me because I am going to help those who want their abductions to stop no matter what. Nobody has the right to hurt you in this world am I right? Furthermore as far as catholicism goes, Catholicism is a religion NOT a faith. Faith is having a r/ship with Jesus, Catholics believe in aliens considering they want to baptise them so are on the ufo side more than anything. Anyway I basically just want to know why people so readily believe in abductions yet not christian abductions/testimony that they can be stopped.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by Truth01
I started a thread a few weeks ago on this topic, having a r/ship with Jesus stops alien abduction and my thread was removed

I see why


You don't respond to logic, my friend.

& I'm coming to get you, tonight!!
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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I am guessing you believe in aliens Masonic, so how does it feel when people say how illogical you are for having that belief?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:29 AM
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I have belief through the holy-spirit and through evidence now because of ce-4 testimonies. Abductions themselves can be called illogical because the only people who experience them are those who are abducted. Everyone is going by faith when you believe someone who says they have been abducted, so why can you not believe those who have stopped them as well?



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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Maybe Jesus does repel 'some' Aliens, but I think a lot of others would too. Some people who follow Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Celtic religion, Occultists, etc, might be able to call on beings to help them as well. I just find it tiresome that Jesus is painted as the only one that could do this, and also that all Aliens seem to be bad to some people. At the end of the day I think it might be all about being able to tap your own Essence, and if you can do that there's probably endless variations of ways to prevent an abduction. Again, if abductions actually happen.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:45 AM
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Depends what you mean by "believe" in them. I believe they exist. Just like I believe angler fishes exist despite never seeing one and likely never will.

If the earth were this large "." on your screen, then our 1 galaxy is the size of this entire planet. There's hundreds of billions of galaxies. 97% of the total species ever to exist on this single planet have gone extinct.

= 99.0^infinity that extraterrestrials exist.

You can believe in Jesus, I'm just saying Jesus won't save you from anything, based off my previous post which if you read carefully and try to address individually, you will find it's flawless.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:48 AM
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Dear Truth01

Ok lets say for the sake of argument that calling of Jesus makes ET stop the abduction process.

That being the case first you have to believe in the abduction process and in fact that Jesus is the son of God.

None of which I have ever seen a shred of proof for. Evidence perhaps but not proof.

If calling on Jesus makes them stop would that make him there BOSS, there man so to speak.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Well like an abductee who, if we are being unbiased here, you could not truly believe had seen an 'alien' etc with their own eyes, I can say I have stopped 'aliens' too because of Jesus, there in which is further proof of his existence Masonic.

Furthermore to the poster above you, it is ok, you don't have to believe what I am saying, I really just aimed my thread to people who believe in aliens/ufo's (the UFO community). I am trying to understand why such a believing community of people, cannot believe people who have stopped their experiences when there is evidence of this. Furthermore I will add, the evidence from christians stopping 'alien' abduction is far greater than those who call upon others 'Gods'.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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Mac well this thread won't make sense to you at all because you don't believe in those who are abducted. I am aiming this thread only at those who do believe.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Dear Truth01

Look this up “it has served us well this myth of Christ”

It was said to have been said by a pope



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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Dear Truth01

Please do not presume to know what I believe, I merely said there was no proof



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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The Pope in 2008 made the comment "It's ok to believe in extraterrestrials, they are our brothers if they do exist."....

But I guess the pope, an idol to the Catholics, is ignorant to religion/Jesus in your eyes too?[

I should also mention, my godmother has been a nun for 50 years and even she believes in aliens & that they're not out to enslave/murder etc. us.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:04 AM
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MAC, I want to be a respectful member of ATS who has beliefs just like everyone else, but I will ask if you could be respectful back and please stick to my thread topic - it is not a Christianity debate.

However that being said, I am not Catholic, therefore do not believe in the pope - my belief is in Christianity, Jesus. It is a faith, not a religion.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:08 AM
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Ok, I don't want to keep repeating myself but Catholicism is not a faith - it is a religion just like Buddhism. Catholics are not Christians because they have their own sets of rules outside the bible. They confess their sins to man (priests. pope etc) when Christians confess their sins to Jesus - which is stated by God's law (the bible or his word).

Now none of this will make sense to you if you are not Christian, because it is faith based.

People who believe in alien abductions have faith because they may not have been abducted themselves, but certainly believe a person who has said they have been. Which is the point of my topic.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:08 AM
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Dear MasonicFantom

If this statement is aimed at me.

This present pope has said many stupid things including that he believed that condoms do not help stop the spread the HIV virus.

Anyway what would you expect from an Ex-Nazi.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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Wasn't@you, but adding to what you said about the Pope. So far it seems the Pope doesn't necessarily believe in Christ and says it's ok to believe in ETs.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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Exactly why I am a Christian - not a Catholic. Catholics do believe in aliens and as burntheships stated in their thread, are wanting to baptise their first. Politics is power, and Catholicism is famous for it, it is not Christian and furthermore will decieve many with satan's agenda.



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