reply to post by surfnow2
the people that have been murdered, raped and extorted. who exactly are you specifially refering to?
I am refering to millions of honest everyday citizens who have harmed no one yet police have busted into their homes intruded in their lives extorted
money taken their property and even murdered them if they resist such thefts.
writing tickets doesn't generate revenue the way you think it does. yes there is revenue but do you know what these money goes toward? most
it goes back to you, the general public in many ways. when you get a ticket and you pay the fine the money gets split and sent to many programs that
arent covered by taxes.
Well first of all you should look into what are known as the CAFR funds (google it) for your state and county. You will discover that is not where
the money goes. However for sake of argument lets say it does. It was still taken against ones will. I don't know about you but most people define
taking something against ones will as theft. However insert the word government police or taxes etc. and everyones logic and reason shuts down
immediately. The fact is victimless crimes are created to extort money under the guise of protecting the public from themselves and it is done against
their will which is theft however you paint it. But its ok if you steal from us as long as you give some back in some program we don't consent to
you must have had either been arrested continue to violate the law or you had a bad experience with a police officer.
No I used to think the police were largely decent folk with a few bad apples doing a tough job but no longer. It seems beyond your comprehension that
honest law abiding citizens would complain about having their money stolen from them against their will at threat of gun, imprisonment, and even
death if they resist hard enough. Millions of people who have never commited a crime or been arrested feel this way. millions more who have been
arrested for victimless crimes yet remains productive honest citizens also feel this way.
Are you capable of stepping back and seeing the other side instead of just assuming the only ones complaining must be criminals? If one is not
harming anyone and no man or women has brought a claim against one then there is no crime. If one is not wearing a seat belt, or goes over the speed
limit, or smokes some pot ( I don't personally) etc. etc. who are they harming? Yet you and your fellow officers see fit to intervene in their lives
and take their money, substance, and freedom against their will when they have harmed no one. It is amazing to me otherwise intelligent people can
see nothing wrong with this. You and your fellow officers are the enablers of theft and extortion and ultimately tyranny.
Take a step back and ask yourself every time you enforce a statute if the person whose life you are now disrupting and taking their money and time
against their will from and possibly arresting etc.; who were they harming? Everyone agrees that if I come to your house and take your stuff against
your will that is theft. How is it any different when police or courts do it? Just because some majority group of people agree it is ok for police to
do it doesn't change a thing it just makes them a larger gang who can force their will on the individual, it is still theft. If you do not have the
right to steal i.e. take my stuff against my will as an individual where in the world do all those individuals get the right to do it collectively and
hire a private army i.e. police force to do it? By force is the only answer and it is wrong period!
no one said we are perfect but the majority try and we dont get support from the people we arrest, why should we they are pissed at us for them
driving drunk and killing a family. its my fault they decided to get behind the wheel and drive drunk. its my fault that they robbed a bank. the
people who committ these crimes dont take responsibilities for their actions. my original post you reponded to still stands........ i have been on
both side of the fence..
You mean your original reinforcement of your false paradigm that only a criminal would complain about your actions still stands. I am sure you
believe you are right and that is the problem. You are unwilling to even step outside the box for a moment and consider you are harming your fellow
man against his will WHEN HE HAS HARMED NO ONE. You may have taken a some real criminals down too however that does not justify the harming others
who have harmed no one. No one ever said you guys don't take some real criminals down however that does not preclude your wrong actions otherwise.
Lets be honest. You guys write far more tickets and perform more petty arrest to people for victimless crimes then you take real bad guys down
because there is more money in harassing and fining productive citizens! I fail to see how taking a few real bad guys down justifies perpetual
extortion and theft of honest citizens. I guess it goes back to the thin blue line propaganda myth society would crumble without you, even though
society has existed long before police and did just fine. You might want to read a little something written by one of our founding fathers Thomas
Paine called "Society is a Blessing but Government is Evil" mises.org...
Bottom line until you step out of the "cops good, people bad" box and take a real look around you will continue to piss off honest law abiding
citizens such as myself and millions of others. You guys could be heroes if you started living by the original maxim of law; "No harm = no crime"
and maybe started joining organizations by the thousands such as LEAP Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Then you might begin to get the respect you think you deserve.