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Dealing with cops, understanding your rights,.... by a cop.

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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Oh yes, because places without government agents attempting to preserve order are such amazing places to live. Somalia comes to mind. I hear the weather is fantastic this time of year. Just be mindful of the bullets whizzing by everywhere.


Oh yes, because places with government agents attempting to preserve order are such amazing places to live. Afghanistan comes to mind. I hear the weather is fantastic this time of year. Just be mindful of the bullets whizzing by everywhere and bombs falling from the skies.

The United States would not suddenly turn into Somalia the moment the government machine was turned off.




posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by surfnow2
 

Thanks, you and I know the truth, but I'm afraid our words are falling on deaf ears. I had a guy in another forum that didn't believe or agree with the things that I said. It just so happened that he lived in my state, NC, and drove down to go on a ride along. By the end of the night he was singing a different tune. Thanks again for the support and all that you do. Keep your head down brother.
Seeashrink



indeed they do,
video # 1: i havn't watched yet

video # 2: you raise a good point, However, it is obvious the situation was clearly under control by the officers, Hens the individuals were on the ground, against the wall. force to further maintain the situation may have been needed, though not to the extent which it came to.

video # 3: are you fuking kidding me man, its a fukin old lady, could have grabbed her, taken her keys, SOMTHING, but not the fukin tazer gun.

i am glad you two have shown your TRUE colors, it helps the argument of the freeman..
there are some good cops, somewhere, though you two are of sheer wickedness.

may god have mercy on your souls, for i, and no other aware of your opinions would ever object to any sentence placed upon you.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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This is the absolute WORST idea I have have heard on this thread...as an LEO that has been stalked by gang members before I can say that I take my families safety VERY seriously. I WILL NOT have another drive by at my house by some thug whose cousin I arrested. I have a new house now that is not in my name nor do I have a home phone line or any bills in my name, I always do a few loops to check for tails on the way home. Most officers know how to recognize a tail and it will not end well for you.


I'm sure that most gang members take their personal and families safety very seriously also. I'm sure that it is equally unsettling for them to be followed and have violent enforcers drive past their residence who wish to use violence to prevent them from undertaking mutually beneficial transactions with other voluntary parties (the main source of income of a gang).

If that doesn't stop you from doing what you think is right it's probably not going to stop other people from doing what they think is right. Not that I advocate any of this, I wish we could all just live and let live.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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HA. And what is different about Afghanistan now than BEFORE we got there. Oh yeah there's guys with the stars and stripes on their sleeves mixing it up with the local warlords, instead of just the warlords mixing it up with each other. Are you asserting they were better off under the Taliban, as they were such a fantastic model for human rights and all?

I know exactly what would happen if the government machine were turned off. The strong would subjugate the weak and set up their own government. Probably one not as nice and fluffy as the one we have now either. Viva la Revolucion!
Comm



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by commdogg
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HA. And what is different about Afghanistan now than BEFORE we got there. Oh yeah there's guys with the stars and stripes on their sleeves mixing it up with the local warlords, instead of just the warlords mixing it up with each other. Are you asserting they were better off under the Taliban, as they were such a fantastic model for human rights and all?

I know exactly what would happen if the government machine were turned off. The strong would subjugate the weak and set up their own government. Probably one not as nice and fluffy as the one we have now either. Viva la Revolucion!
Comm


my bad, i was quoting commdogg's original post. i fully agree with your reply

oh, so i take it you'v been there before and after our troops arrival. cuz for someone to make such a bold statement would have to had been there. otherwise it is a statement made out of sheer ignorance
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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I dare any officers posting on this thread to argue their points with me. I assure you, you will lose.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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You are connecting two post that have nothing to do with one another. Are you guys so closed minded that you can't even keep up with the thread? This thread has turned out to be a senseless debate. I started the thread to be helpful to people. I have not denied that there are bad officers. But many of you that is the only chorus you know. You think I'm under some kind of high government mind control so I can just serve the crooked organization. But your minds are locked like a steal trap with hatred, anger, and bitterness. You don't want to hear anything about a cop unless it is negative. You seek only to tear down. And when it falls down you are under the delusion that something better is going to come along. Maybe it will, but not in your life time. To hear some of you talk, the first thing you are going to do under a callapsed society is grab a gun and start killing cops. The truth is you are going to be fighting against your own military. THEN, you will see what a real political corporate machine looks like. Your "bad" cops are going to look like choir boys in comparison. Is there anyone in this thread over 18? Your responces do not reflect it. If there is someone in their 40s or 50s that have lived a little, I'd like to hear from them.
Again, this thread was started in a sincere effort to be helpful. Not to brainwash anyone or to be a disinfo agent, or spy for my government.
seeashrink



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by LegalTender
I dare any officers posting on this thread to argue their points with me. I assure you, you will lose.

That's just pathetic. It's all about self pride with you. What, just so you can feel like you won a debate and can make yourself feel good. That's just sad.
Seeashrink



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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i will admit, i do indeed have faults, as do all, badge or no badge. and yes, my posts have derived from a fire inside which directs me to stand for what i believe in. I am 26, have had very little schooling, and have some how always known that as long as i did no wrong to another, i can do as i please. i said so in a prior post, that im almost positive that their have been good policemen, but the only good ones are the ones who realize, none of their good intentions are that of their own when wearing a badge. it is always under the command of another. and yes, i will agree that probably most people who become officers, do so with good intentions, though they remain policemen to maintain what they are employed to maintain. the fact that you are payed to follow the "legal" law, and not the "law of the land" , is why so many of us harbor these feelings of anger against you. I harbor no hate individual, nor do i judge an individual, but while wearing your uniform, you are not an individual, for you do not act under your own desires to help, your good intentions are in constraint by your employer.



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
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"Sovereigns/freemen have blown up buildings, killed cops, held up banks, printed counterfiet money, inpersonated foreign diplomats, made counterfiet licenses, license plates, Social Security cards, and ID cards. They clog the courts with useless paperwork. You folks sound a lot more like part of the problem than the solution".

Interestingly enough, I didn't see any freeman jumping in to address this. Or is this just the ugly side that you don't talk about?


Seeashrink


Prove it, any of it!!! What YOU or the Medai call "freeman" could be government trained idiots. More cops have committed federal crimes than ALL the freeman put together. THE ONLY "legal" law enforcement officer is the Sheriff. Richard I. Mack explains this very well.

What were the aspirations of the founding fathers? Slavery by force!!! THAT is exactly what cops do, they violate the peoples rights to life, liberty and property. You will NEVER comnvince an intelligent individual who has studied law for years, that cops are right and are NOTHING more than corporate security guards. That is all you are, sorry. No jurisdiction. Prove you have it, show me the enforcement clause. Stop the name calling and provide some evidence YOU have ANY authority.

jackmclamb.community.officelive.com...

Perhaps you should look at the above site and join in on the fight AGAINST tyranny instead of supporting it.


Dear Police Officer and/or Member of the U.S. Military:



This retired officer served proudly in the U.S. Armed Forces for twenty years, which included three overseas assignments. I spent 11½ years in the USAF as an enlisted member, and 8½ years in the U.S. Army (warrant officer and commissioned officer). While in the USAF, I flew on numerous hazardous duty reconnaissance missions against the Soviet Union. On a number of occasions we had Soviet fighter aircraft intercept us over international waters and try to shoot us down. I also flew on a few combat reconnaissance missions off the coast of Vietnam. Those of us who flew these missions knew that there was a risk to our lives; however, we never really thought much about it because we "had a job to do." We had been taught that the Communists were our enemies, and that we had to keep an eye on them to see what they were up to. It was not until after I retired that I found out that while one hand of America was working to halt the advance of Communism, there was another hand of America that was supporting Communism. And that is why we fought both Korea and Vietnam Wars with "one hand tied behind our backs." The rich, power elite were controlling were controlling both sides - often selling arms to both sides - and always reaping big war profits. Their agenda included driving both sides deeper into debt, sometimes to gain control of mineral resources, and always to make the world fit into the mold that they wanted.



This retired officer loves this Republic, our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the American people. I subscribe to the motto: "The true patriot does not love his government. The true patriot loves his country and watches his government." Our founding fathers wisely placed strict limits on the federal government - their intentions being that most government functions were to take place at the LOCAL level, and that included the police. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Constitution that authorizes national police. Our founding fathers knew that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." They did not want too much power accumulating in the federal government. They also knew that guns in the hands of the American citizens would greatly reduce the chances of tyrannical government raising its ugly head here in America - and that is why they placed the 2nd Amendment (the Right to keep and bear Arms) into the Bill of Rights. They believed that if government was doing what was right, then it had nothing to fear from its citizens. They also knew that tyrannical governments always try to disarm their citizens. But what is this that we see in America today? We see our government infringing more and more on our Right to keep and bear Arms. Why? It is very well documented that those areas in America that have the strictest gun control laws also have the highest violent crime rates (e.g., Washington, D.C.)! Those areas of the country that have large numbers of armed citizens also have the least amount of violent crime. So why is our government pushing gun control so hard?



And that brings us to the main reason for this letter - the motto of the fine folks at Aid & Abet Police & Military Newsletter is this: "Tyranny cannot come to the door of any American unless it comes in uniform." As their outstanding book, Operation Vampire Killer 2000 (OVK 2000) points out, it is the police officer, National Guardsman, reservist, and/or active duty military member who will be ordered by their government to disarm the citizens "for their own good" ...and who will be used as "cannon fodder" to do so... because there will be some patriotic Americans who will recognize that surrendering their firearms will remove the "last restraint" of government. As OVK 2000 states: "It is time to seriously consider what each of us will do when these global elitists in our government instruct OFFICERS and NATIONAL GUARDSMEN to go forth and take the guns away from the armed, good people of your city or town... ‘FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.’" OVK 2000 also asks our American police officers and military personnel, "Which way will your own gun face when the orders are issued? Will you protect the people you have sworn to protect? Or, will you do what other patriotic officers from other countries have done to their countrymen, ‘OBEDIENTLY JUST FOLLOW ORDERS’?" Of course, there is some likelihood that many of our police and military personnel will be sent overseas to "police" people in foreign lands, while foreign troops will be brought into America to "police" the American people.



Stop pushing the corporate agenda and come up with some proof. I have supplied lots of cases which show you have no authority or right to stop anyone who has NOT harmed or damaged the property of others, we need NO LICENSE and we need NO REGISTRATION. Outside the venue and jurisdiction of the city!!

The people created the government TO SERVE THEM, not to enslave and rob them. Thanks for the ignorance.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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this is a little out of pride, i will always admit to my own faults. though my intentions are to, (i want to say help) but force you to see the truth of your past and current beliefs. yes i am bitter, and i have good right to be. and make note that the main reason i placed before you a dare, was because i felt i was being ignored. and rudeness is one of my pet peeves. also, i get the feeling you are scared of the freemen. not because of threat upon your life, or those whom you care for. you have "power", that is being threatened. you have a sense of control, not only over people, but also, control in your life. it is understandable for you to feel fear when you are at risk of any loss. in a prior post i saw someone say, "arrest the crooked bankers, and politicians, and then you will be our heros". the fact of the matter is that far too many peaceful people go to jail. when someone does something that "may" cause another harm and they are put into jail, or under the feet of the court, who is in the wrong. i can say from self experience that jail is not a nice place to be. and it does in fact cause those who go harm. so who is in fault, the one who "could have" done harm, or the one who DOES harm??
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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A little melodramatic here don't you think? When are you going to get it through your head that line of thinking is delusional? Go out break the law. Sell weed by the kilo on the street corner, it's a no victim crime right. Drive your car on the sidewalk. Shoot your nieghbor when his dog poops in your yard. Then when the cops come, shout out your common law crap....while you're behind bars. It's just not going to happen. Even if I agreed with you, I would still have enough sense to relize it's a pipe dream.
Seeashrink



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
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A little melodramatic here don't you think? When are you going to get it through your head that line of thinking is delusional? Go out break the law. Sell weed by the kilo on the street corner, it's a no victim crime right. Drive your car on the sidewalk. Shoot your nieghbor when his dog poops in your yard. Then when the cops come, shout out your common law crap....while you're behind bars. It's just not going to happen. Even if I agreed with you, I would still have enough sense to relize it's a pipe dream.
Seeashrink


this country was founded upon dreams my friend. and FYI, to sell any private property to a responsible HUMAN BEING, is no unlawful act. and jesus christ dude, shoot your neighbor, that however is an unlawful act upon the life of another. driving on the sidewalk, harmless when you take caution in doing so. you fail to realize that what we are getting at is the right to be responsible. i am no child, and in no way do i need anyone telling me what is or isn't responsible. we desire peace, compassion, and respect. how can you sit there and claim you have the right to deprive anyone anything, provided they do no wrong doing upon another. i know i keep saying that, but i can't help it, you continue to regress to your externally developed "authority". you have none over any peaceful people. would you deprive someone of their right to choose what is best for them. how can any know what is best for another, when you fail to understand them?? if you are a religious man, i would like to ask you a question. do you remember what they teach about satan in church. god wanted to give freedom of choice, so all could prove their right to be within his presence and kingdom, satan thought that to be foolish, why allow imperfection, satan wanted to force everyone to be good. because of this act of rebellion, god condemned him to hell, deeming him unworthy of his presence and kingdom. the law which you serve forces people to be good, in the eyes of man.

Romans 12: 2 "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."

do you deny god's will? and remember, it's not what i think of your answer, it's not for me to decide.
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posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
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No fear, just a statement of fact if you mess with or endanger a cops family. I would think this would be common sense.
Seeashrink



While i would never harm or even threaten someones family how do you think it makes us feel when you come in our homes waving guns arround screaming at our kids shooting our dogs, etc.

Why should ONLY YOUR FAMILY be safe from this kind of abuse?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Are you asserting they were better off under the Taliban, as they were such a fantastic model for human rights and all?


I'm saying the people are better off with the government which governs least. The Taliban are hardly a model for that. The US government would not have backed the Taliban's original rise to power if they had no desire to govern.


I know exactly what would happen if the government machine were turned off. The strong would subjugate the weak and set up their own government.


If the weak don't wish to be governed they would spend the tax dollars which are currently being spent on policing on private security.

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Go out break the law.



Sell weed by the kilo on the street corner, it's a no victim crime right.


Right! Victimless crime.


Drive your car on the sidewalk.


Not a victimless crime (I'm assuming you mean in a reckless manor).


Shoot your nieghbor when his dog poops in your yard.


Not a victimless crime!


Then when the cops come, shout out your common law crap


Something about not harming others and respecting property rights?


Even if I agreed with you, I would still have enough sense to relize it's a pipe dream.


Thanks to brave law enforcement everywhere, keeping the government machine running smooth. Getting that promotion is more important than doing what's right, right?



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Look I can only speak for myself here, but I've been posting and trying to answer questions from the readers here from the depth of my training and experience in matters of law. I am fairly well educated, I have worked in law and law enforcement for the majority of my adult life. Its getting old to see questions posed, or statements made by the readership that have absolutely no bearing of fact. There's the way it should be and then sometimes there is the way it is. The OP and several others have been trying to explain things, in my opinion, very honestly and thoroughly, yet the thought process of the thread keeps getting derailed for nonsensical reasons.

Some of your particular posts I have not been able to answer because I truly do not understand what you are talking about. I don't think that's my fault, as I just can't figure out how your going from A-Z without the benefit of you illuminating your process.

Attacking the cops is never a good idea, in real life or on a thread, especially when all they are trying to do is COMMUNICATE with fellow human beings about how to make interactions with them a little less painful and unpleasant.
There I'm Done.
Comm



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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Well, unfortunately, as far as free societies go, that aren't currently in a total state of chaos, WE ARE in the country who's government governs least.

Tax dollars??? That's just nonsensical. Pay taxes to whom? You just shut the government machine off remember? Protection by whom? I assume you mean the band of town thugs to protect you from the thugs from the other town. What happens when those guys realize they can take your money and still shoot you dead? Is it really free to be an economic slave to someone with a gun? Is that somehow better than the way we do it now?

So best case scenario is armed conflict brinkmanship between towns. That will do well for free trade and human prosperity. Devolving to feudal society isn't something I'm willing to sign up for.
Really great plan you have there.
Comm



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by lastrebel
While i would never harm or even threaten someones family how do you think it makes us feel when you come in our homes waving guns arround screaming at our kids shooting our dogs, etc.

Why should ONLY YOUR FAMILY be safe from this kind of abuse?


I can't speak for all cops, but the big difference is my family are good law abiding people, there is no reason for a search warrant to be issued for my house, nor did I commit any crime that would have an arrest warrant in my name nor my fiances name. Even if they are gang bangers/drug dealers/criminals keep your family out of it don't do it in your house and put your family in danger. When some thug does a drive by on my house because I arrest his cousin on 6 felonies(3 were drug related), how is that justified. That thug was lucky I was not prepared as I am now.

Whenever we have kids on scene we always try not to arrest the parent in front of them, we try to not get them involved or cause them anymore stress.


Secure



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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We had a thing here a few years back where a guy followed a female police officer home after they found out she had arrested their friend. His plan was apparently to assassinate her for disrespecting the gang. The end result of that was there was a dead guy in her driveway.
Comm



posted on Jan, 17 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Everybody is a cop critic.
Yet, NO ONE has the answers.

I joined to help people, because my grandfather did, as my father did.
Neither of them ever had to pull their service revolver and point it at a person.

Society, has become a tad more insane, and people no longer respect law enforcement. They think like some of the people here on this thread, but actually act it out. Making the job much more of a risk than ever.

Respect Law Enforcement? Seems like a joke now a days.

My grandfather was shot at. In world war 2. As a soldier. Never as a cop.
My father was never shot at. Never even drew his service revolver outside of a gun range.

I was shot at by a kid I knew, built a re pore with, while picking him up from a store where a loss prevention officer had arrested him for shop lifting. Nice kid, once. Stupid decisions. We are trained to be a lot more "ready" than I was here. I let my guard down, to be a human being for a kid I tried to HELP on several occasions. He couldn't go to jail, this was his last "strike" if you will.

Times have changed. People aren't fuzzy and nice anymore. Every single person has the potential to draw arms and blast you into oblivion. I've situated more that 600 service pistol draws, on duty, due to forced circumstances in my short career. Discharged on a few occasions. My father was as thankful as my wife and children, when I moved into another career. I still get to catch the bad guys, but...behind a camera. haha..feed that to your paranoia, conspiracy theorists! ha.

It's no governmental trance or ignorance. People that don't respect laws and why they exist, don't respect ANY order to society, and become dangerous to EVERY single person within it. Including the people I KNOW and love. I feel better knowing someone is doing something to protect them.

Yeah, "red tape" and governmental cover ups are rampant. Always have been, always will be. ALWAYS. But there are still those who believe that they are doing more good than they are bad.

Sure, hold cops to a higher standard...of course. But here is a secret....Society still has to follow a standard as well. There are bad cops, yes. But there are very bad people too.



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