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Dealing with cops, understanding your rights,.... by a cop.

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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:44 PM
reply to post by indigodonkey

There certainly are give aways in how people act. One thing that disturbs me with this current generation is their ability to lie and stick with it without batting an eye. They have no conscience and have known very little consequences for their actions since they were children, scary.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:46 PM
reply to post by twohawks

I completely agree with you. A good honest cop has nothing to hide. If this law is passed I can't see myself enforcing it. Record away man.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:53 PM
reply to post by anumohi

Again, someone who knows the truth. I sign all my documents "With explicit reservation of all my rights and without prejudice per U.C.C. 1-308". That protects the sovereignty of the human being and NOT the "person". Big difference and if the cop doesn't know it, they better learn it fast. Again, file a Tort claim against the officer and the city, sue the pants off them to stop this crap.

An automobile is a household good and can not be taxed by the state or city.

“The Supreme Court, in Arthur v. Morgan, 112 U.S. 495, 5 S.Ct. 241, 28 L.Ed. 825, held
that carriages were properly classified as household effects, and we see no reason that
automobiles should not be similarly disposed of.” Hillhouse v United States, 152 F. 163,
164 (2nd Cir. 1907).

“A soldier's personal automobile is part of his ``household goods[.]'' U.S. v Bomar,
C.A.5(Tex.), 8 F.3d 226, 235” 19A Words and Phrases - Permanent Edition (West)
pocket part 94.

These cases have NEVER been overturned nor successfully argued against. Learn the truth.

"A vehicle not used for commercial activity is a "consumer goods", . . . it is NOT a
type of vehicle required to be registered and "use tax" paid of which the tab is
evidence of receipt of the tax
." Bank of Boston vs Jones, 4 UCC Rep. Serv. 1021, 236
A2d 484, UCC PP 9-109.14.

"Thus self-driven vehicles are classified according to the use to which they are put
rather than according to the means by which they are propelled." Ex Parte Hoffert,
148 NW 20.

What else can be said, this PROVES beyond a shadow of doubt that the real truth is hidden from us through Constructive fraud.

Through stealthy encroachment, and we the people not paying attention, we have lost sight of what is important....OUR freedoms and natural, inalienable rights.
edit on 15-1-2011 by daddio because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:58 PM
reply to post by anumohi

For one, resisting is not a felony. Two, I hope no one takes your advise about deadly force, you are going to get someone killed. I can't say what I am thinking because I will get snipped by a mod. Maybe you can read between the lines.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:24 PM
reply to post by seeashrink

Way to paint a generation with a broad brush there. There were politicians way before this generation, so I think that proves that this isn't a recent problem.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:37 PM
reply to post by TKDRL

Point taken. This thread is full of generalities. I can't say that my opinion is not jaded, of course it is. Thanks for pointing that out for me.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:39 PM
Prisoners don't have the "privilege" to travel

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:24 PM
This is a good thread. We received good input from police officers, legal musings from the crowd, and a good exchange. I think it goes without saying that for the most part, police officers are doing their best. Don't forget, they are people too and in every circumstance, cut them some slack and give them respect. Follow the good points listed in this thread and exercise respect, regardless if you agree with it or not and even if you plan to exercise the legalities later on.

I see many state and community functionaries as victims in the corrupt system. It isn't easy to learn about what has been done to America and often, with the exception of a few, there aren't too many that can speak coherently about the topic.

The battle is not at the interface of the Person/Officer, which, if fought there, I would tend to think the Person would most often be subordinated. I would take the battle to the court. Just my advice. Not to mention, think of the system we are currently living in ... the PTB do a good job of keeping everyone in fear and hyping up the drama within control state (i.e. in the police) and for those to be controlled. It's their game.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:30 PM

Originally posted by anumohi
recording police from your private vehicle, your private property, is your business, and is your right, any thing they say or do can be used against them in FEDERAL COURT.

you have the right to defend yourself from all physical abuse by law enforcement, and should use deadly force if necessary

1. I am recorded anyway my cruiser has cameras and 2 doesn't bother me I get some funny videos at the end of the day.

2. This is the absolute worst advice I have heard in my life, do you want to get people killed? USE DEADLY FORCE?!? On Police?!?


posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:11 PM

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by urmenimu2

Very good point and well said. To me, officer decretion kicks in after the law has been broken. In other words, if I stop you on probable cause, lets say speeding, then the law has been broken. It is at this point, according to the severity of the infraction, where my discretion kicks in. Seeashrink

What is discretion to you is often plain old bigotry and corruption for many cops.

If it's another cop, they're not going to get a ticket. A minority in an all white neighborhood often gets the ticket.
If a law is important enough to enforce for people you don't like - it's important enough to enforce for people you do like.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:21 PM
reply to post by anumohi

what happened to you to become anti authority?

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:26 PM
reply to post by Daughter2

you remind me of the guys I have stopped doing over 100 mph hour and I get accused of racial profiling.
go out one day on a ride along with a police department where they can run radar and you pick the race of people driving by at over 40-60mph. i could care less about what color someone is, all I care about is the person who will kill someones family by driving so reckless. people who committ offenses, get convicted of them, and then blame someone else for their actions take no responsibility.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:29 PM
reply to post by xXxtremelySecure

Although I appreciate your response regarding comfort, I was hoping to delve more into the mentality of which the more militant appearance is just a symptom. Police now are more oriented towards intimidation in appearance and often attitude. Less of a public servant more like a controller of society through intimidation.

But be warned, a warriors stuff is not warn on his body it resides in his heart. You go around looking and acting like a warrior you better be prepared for war, because there are a lot of warriors out there and they don't have to visually distinguish themselves.

Tactical bloused boots and a tac vest suggest preparation for battle. You cant go to the job place everyday asking for a battle and then be surprised when it does finally come.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:29 PM
Thanks to the op,

All the cops all arnt out to get you, as long as your polite and treat them with respect they should be more forgiving and understanding. In the end there just trying to do there job
It helps not to try to take them on and speak back or try to prove them wrong, they will almost always win that argument, just be honest and calm...It goes a long way and works both ways

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:31 PM
reply to post by network dude

for those of you not aware, the trooper in this video was terminated for this stop. to make a long story short
he agitated the guy when he stopped him, walked back to his car, turned the video camera on and here is what you see. he was being investigated by IA for being verbally abusive and wanted to prove his innocence.

i am former LEO and this is sad and give us a bad name.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:36 PM
reply to post by surfnow2

You remind me of the cops that thought they could pull me over, and learned otherwise when I hit the throttle. Since I figured out the secret to not getting pulled over, and having some crazy cop point a gun at my face, I wish I knew that secret when I was younger. Ride a powerful motorcycle, and know the area you are riding on. Just don't crash, or you are road pizza.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:37 PM
On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."

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Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

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Article 1.

* All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

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Article 2.

* Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

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Article 3.

* Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

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Article 4.

* No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

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Article 5.

* No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

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Article 6.

* Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

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Article 7.

* All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

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Article 8.

* Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

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Article 9.

* No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

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Article 10.

* Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

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Article 11.

* (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
* (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

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Article 12.

* No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

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Article 13.

* (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
* (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

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Article 14.

* (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
* (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

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Article 15.

* (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

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Article 16.

* (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
* (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
* (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

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* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

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* Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

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* Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

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* (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
* (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

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* (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
* (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
* (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

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* Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

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* (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
* (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
* (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
* (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

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* Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

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* (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
* (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

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* (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
* (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
* (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

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* (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
* (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

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* Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

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Article 29.

* (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
* (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
* (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

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Article 30.

* Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:46 PM
reply to post by hapablab

i will tell you from first hand experience we get these alot. when a description goes out on someone whether its over the phone, MDT, dispatcher or face to face, it changes. its not anyones fault really.

here is a scenario I encountered.

930 at night and we received a call that there were shots fired at a CVS and it was involving a hispanic male, wearing dark clothing and a red wool cap. that is all we had, this call came in from a person driving by. it turns out 10 minutes later the person we were looking for was a white male wearing grey sweatpants and a blu jacket driving a silver pick up truck. you have to remember the information changes so rapidly.

do you think the officer just picked you at random because he was bored? not at all.
he probably was going on the information he had at the time which probably changed to someone else. you also may have been standing next to the guy at one point when he committed the theft and the camera shows you next to him. i would probably talk to you to,

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:47 PM
can someone on here tell me about this homemade drivers license that I saw on here. i have never heard of this before. i dont believe it and i know for a fact it does not exist in Virginia but I wanted to read more about it

posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:50 PM
Let me add. When I was part of Blackwater and we hit the streets of New Orleans we did so in 511 tac pants, company polos, tac vests, bloused boots, m4's, 9mm (drop leg) and Oakleys - cant forget the oakleys.

Our purpose was to restore peace and whether it was said or not - through intimidation.

The local police took up this same mentality and appearance, but you know what, when it was all over and the smoke settled and everyone returned home and life got back to normal in New Orleans, the police presence and appearance remained the same.

You put a picture of Barney Fife next to a picture of a cop in new york (wearing all black) carrying and m-16 and you tell me what has changed.

Probable argument - the world is a more dangerous place and we have updated accordingly to match it, but what you are missing is that you are scaring the very people you are supposedly protecting.

Everyone always wants to act immediately after a major event but they never consider the consequences down the road. "Lets do something NOW! Even if its wrong".

Basic animal mentality. If an animal is scared of its master until finally its finds itself so terrified its cowering in a corner the only option left for that animal is to attack its master. Little things matter, Little things add up. Little things become big things.

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