posted on Mar, 21 2003 @ 08:08 AM
Your premises are good but the argument is unsound. Allow me to clarify.
The argument ought to go like this:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my
Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith
unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou
then, Shew us the Father? (JOHN 14:6-9)
In Premise #1, Jesus explanes to Thomas and Philip that He IS God. The Son and the Father are one. Therefore, to learn from Christ's example is to
learn from God. To worship God is to worship Christ.
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in
the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, AND WITH ALL THY SOUL, AND WITH ALL THY
STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL THY MIND; AND THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. But he,
willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, and who is my neighbour? (LUKE 10:25-29)
In Premise #2 the lawyer is caught in his own game; he states the first of the Ten Commandments, "Thou shalt have no other God before me" and
that that one ought to "love thy neighbour as thyself", which neatly sums up the ten commandments - since one can not steal, commit adultery,
murder, etc, oneself, to treat others as you treat yourself is to follow the commandments.
The only way to the Father (God) is through the Son (God). They are one and the same. None of these statements contradict one another. The only
difference is that Thomas and Philip ask the way to the Father and the lawyer asks the way to eternal life - those who are elected to meet the Father
will be immortal and those who die the death will never meet Him. The answer is the same in both cases - worship God, that is, Jesus Christ.
I went through the same thing you're going through right now. I hung around with an evangelical church group when I was a teen that taught that all
non-believers were bound for hell - while these materialistic, gun-touting, happy-happy, joy-joy, feel-good, hate-mongering, bigot thumpers were going
to heaven. These people wouldn't give a penny to a homeless man or woman, though they'd tithe to the church. They came from the suburbs, and prayed
for their fellow 'Christians' in the suburbs, and never lifted a hand to help the poor or needy... I think you get the idea, so I'll stop my
Here is an argument that I hope will help you:
P#1. A Christian is someone that worships God (Christ), and attempts, wholeheartedly, to emulate the example and life of Christ (ie, following the
commandments - love thy God and do unto thy neighbour...).
P#2. There are men and women out there that call themselves Christians but don't do P#1. "Ye shall know them by their works." Have you seen them
give to the poor? Spread the Word in the innercity? Are they wealthy "Sunday Christians" that are pious one day out of the week and yet work the
crap out of their minimum-wage-earning employees during the other six days...
P#3. There are men and women out there who are not Christian and who should not be hated because they are not Christian. God loves everyone, and has
extended His Grace (the period to right ourselves) to everyone. Whenever you hear a 'Christian' put down a muslim, non-believer, or whatever else,
remind yourself (and maybe even that person) that one should "judge not, lest ye yourself be judged" and that "vengeance is mine, sayeth the
Lord". If you condemn someone, you pretend you are God. God really, really doesn't like it when we pretend we're Him. "Every man will be judged
according to his ways"... one Christian is a nasty person, another is Mother Theresa ... one Hindu is Gandhi, another just bombed an Islamic
If (P1) a Christian is someone that worships God, follows God's holy law, and emulates the life of Christ then it follows that (P2) people that
don't do these things - even if they call themselves 'Christian' - are not Christians. If (P3) Christ said that we shouldn't judge one another,
and that vengeance was His, then we should reserve judgement whenever possible.
My advice to you is to continue reading the Bible (though you really ought to get the King James version) and to pray to God for guidance and
education. There are janitors out there with a greater understanding of scripture than most priests. Leave the dogma of church and man and embrace the
instruction of God.
Why serve anyone but the highest? He created you and loves you. "If your son asked you for a loaf of bread, would you give him a stone?" Jesus has
PROMISED that, if we ask Him for guidance (knock), he will teach us.
Peace be upon you,