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Topic started on 13-1-2011 @ 04:55 PM by bozzchem

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Yes, I am that for sure, an extremist. I am totally against taxes, consider them extortion. I think all government regulations are vile, cases of prior restraint and thus unjust. I think a government has only the function assigned to it in the Declaration of Independence, namely, to protect our rights.

I knew I was an extremist from the time Barry Goldwater announced that "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." That's because an extremist is just someone who holds a set of positions that is internally consistent, uncompromising, and demands full integrity.

This is the first I've read from this individual but will certainly look forward to more from him.

It does us a disservice to be considered extremists for simply expecting to live as we were meant to live by those who initiated this experiment known as a Constitutional Republic.

reply posted on 13-1-2011 @ 05:01 PM by Erongaricuaro

I didn't realize the Declaration of Independence assigned any authority to government.

I think he's confusing it with the US Constitution, which GW Bush called "just a goddam piece of paper." That statement struck me as extreme.

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reply posted on 13-1-2011 @ 05:08 PM by ayoss

I know it wouldn't surprise anyone if he did say it, but there's no verifable source of Bush actually saying the Constitution was a "goddamn piece of paper." He certainly said it with through his actions, I'll concede that.

I think *some* regulations are ok, but that's a very select few. For the most part they are either just there to cement the power of an overbearing government or to stifle competition for powerful corporations.

reply posted on 14-1-2011 @ 06:57 AM by whatukno

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It does us a disservice to be considered extremists for simply expecting to live as we were meant to live by those who initiated this experiment known as a Constitutional Republic.

You mean force onto others a life of servitude to giant multinational corporations. Unregulated by a weak ineffectual government. Until those giant multinational corporations strip every single resource out of this planet and make it completely uninhabitable for human or any other life form.

Gotcha

reply posted on 15-1-2011 @ 11:33 AM by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by whatukno
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It does us a disservice to be considered extremists for simply expecting to live as we were meant to live by those who initiated this experiment known as a Constitutional Republic.

You mean force onto others a life of servitude to giant multinational corporations. Unregulated by a weak ineffectual government. Until those giant multinational corporations strip every single resource out of this planet and make it completely uninhabitable for human or any other life form.

Gotcha

Well its a constitutional republic for the bankers and the corporations. Not us.

We are just human capital. Refinery drones for their globalist agenda(s).

reply posted on 15-1-2011 @ 06:21 PM by whatukno

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Actually no, we don't live in a constitutional republic, it's a Democratic Republic. I am sure you don't care what the difference is.

reply posted on 20-1-2011 @ 05:43 PM by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by whatukno
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Actually no, we don't live in a constitutional republic, it's a Democratic Republic. I am sure you don't care what the difference is.

Wrong.

en.wikipedia.org...

I thought we were a representative republic NOT a democracy. Nice try disinfo agent.

reply posted on 20-1-2011 @ 05:43 PM by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by whatukno
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Actually no, we don't live in a constitutional republic, it's a Democratic Republic. I am sure you don't care what the difference is.

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reply posted on 20-1-2011 @ 05:53 PM by nickoli

Actually its socialism/sorta for the bankers and the mega corps and capitalism for the people. The bankers get to keep their profits in times of prosperity but when they screw us and the world and begin to fail,we the people get to bail them out. Same for the corps,do you think the owners of these bailed out companys gave up one cent of their personal wealth? No they did not. Jackson had it right and we need a Jackson now.

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."
— Andrew Jackson

Bozz count me in, I'm an extremist too, so far right my neighbor is an anarchist.

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reply posted on 7-2-2011 @ 05:12 PM by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by bozzchem
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Yes, I am that for sure, an extremist. I am totally against taxes, consider them extortion. I think all government regulations are vile, cases of prior restraint and thus unjust. I think a government has only the function assigned to it in the Declaration of Independence, namely, to protect our rights.

I knew I was an extremist from the time Barry Goldwater announced that "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." That's because an extremist is just someone who holds a set of positions that is internally consistent, uncompromising, and demands full integrity.

This is the first I've read from this individual but will certainly look forward to more from him.

It does us a disservice to be considered extremists for simply expecting to live as we were meant to live by those who initiated this experiment known as a Constitutional Republic.

I wonder how long will it take the nwo to round us up like animals and try to exterminate us.

Nazi's - Jews,poles,gypsies,turks
NWO/Bilderberg - anyone who don't conform to the nwo's demands.

reply posted on 12-2-2011 @ 04:22 AM by Justsomeguyhere

A political extremist is somebody who's political beliefs fall outside of the vast majority of the bell curve.

This quote: "That's because an extremist is just someone who holds a set of positions that is internally consistent, uncompromising, and demands full integrity." Is a load of #. Some extremists may do that, but it's no requirement.

reply posted on 12-2-2011 @ 04:53 AM by James1982

I think it is completely unrealistic to say that there is no place for government regulation.

Our drinking water, food, air, etc are already in pretty bad shape. It would be even worse if there was no protection at all for such things.

I guess these people want to live in a world where you have no idea what you are eating, drinking, breathing. Where I could sell sugar coated rat poison to their children and get away with it. I'm sure they would like that, it's called freedom!

reply posted on 12-2-2011 @ 05:00 AM by catwhoknowsplusone

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They are all pieces of paper.

All worth nothing.

reply posted on 12-2-2011 @ 06:06 AM by ~Lucidity

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No one forced this on us. We accepted it in return for stuff or a dream, eh? And some are still accepting it.

(And it is a constitutional republic. If I'm remembering right.)

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reply posted on 29-3-2011 @ 02:40 PM by meeneecat

Originally posted by bozzchem
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Yes, I am that for sure, an extremist. I am totally against taxes, consider them extortion. I think all government regulations are vile, cases of prior restraint and thus unjust. I think a government has only the function assigned to it in the Declaration of Independence, namely, to protect our rights.

I find it ironic that you have these people who are totally against taxes, consider them "extortion" and then at the same time drive on public roads, have benefited from public education, public hospitals, our military and defense, our police and fire departments, medical research and technology funded by taxes, infrastructure and transportation, and so on, the list goes on...these people, seem to be, at least in my opinion, the exact definition of hypocritical.

At the same time, the above quote implies that the government should be protecting our rights, yet also imply that it has no right to prevent corporations from turning around and taking away our rights through things like polluting our air, putting lead and other poisons in our food and toys, hiring child labor and otherwise treating human beings as "property", drilling and mining for toxic polluting materials right in people's own backyards including the destruction of entire forests and ecosystems for profit, privatizing natural resources like water and air and selling it back to the people for profit. Why would all these activities effect our "rights"? Because it's pretty hard to live if you don't have clean air to breath and water to drink, it's pretty hard to live if the only food you can get is laden with poisons, it's pretty hard to live if your entire environment has been turned into a toxic cesspool by profit-seekers. A corporation's purpose is to make profit, corporations are by definition amoral, it is unrealistic to expect them to be "self regulating"...especially given trends that were so clearly seen in the financial industry where short-term profit was prioritized above all else, even if it meant the long term demise of the company.

In short, I just don't understand these laissez-faire, invisible hand of adam smith, "the market will take care of everything" type arguments...as this is not how the real world works, the "market" is not perfect and there are plenty of problems with just letting corporations "run wild". One obvious example is "the tragedy of the commons" (of which a thread was posted earlier) where "what's best for the majority" isn't always the end result when individuals are motivated by short-term gains. (See here for more)...and of course the most obvious recent real world example would be the big rash of toxic goods we saw coming from China over the past couple years, again, because China does not have very good regulation/enforcement when it comes to the use of these toxic chemicals in manufacturing, thus we ended up with children's toys laden with date rape drugs and kids ending up in emergency rooms. I'm not going to get into a whole philosophical argument on the subject matter, since that's not really the topic of the OP...but I just wanted to express my dismay at the attitude shown in the original quote referenced by the OP, that taxes and regulation are always and necessarily bad.

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