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Civility Officially Ends With A Whimper

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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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In January of 09, before Obama's inauguration Mark DeMoss had an idea. He is a conservative Republican who runs a public relations firm in Atlanta. He was fed up with the increasingly vicious tone of political rhetoric in US politics from both the right and the left. He wanted to do something about it and he asked his friend, Lanny J. Davis, a liberal Democrat, lobbyist and former Clinton aide to join him.

Together they founded The Civility Project

Their aim was and method was simple. They wanted to bring civility back to US politics. To do this they contacted all members of Congress and all the Governors (585 contacts) in May 2010-and asked them to sign a simple pledge which read.



Civility Pledge

I will be civil in my public discourse and behavior.

I will be respectful of others whether or not I agree with them.

I will stand against incivility when I see it.


Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see who wouldn't want politics to be more civil. Frankly, I don't see why someone wouldn't agree to that regardless of what they do in life.

However, on Jan. 3 DeMoss sent a letter to Sen. Lieberman, and Reps Frank Wolf and Sue Myrick announcing he was shutting down the project.

He only had to send letters to those three. Out of 585 members of Congress and Governors only Lieberman, Wolf and Myrick would sign the pledge.

PDF of Letter Ending the Civility Project

Let me say that again. Out of all 585 members of Congress and Governors in the US only 3 would sign a pledge to be civil.

Folks, that is just sad.


We talk about the lack of civility in politics but when asked only 3 politicians would sign the pledge.

We talk about the lack of civility in our discourse here on ATS. How many of us would be willing to sign the pledge and abide by it?




posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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I would sign it, however, I to try to maintain a civil discourse long past others..because I deem that route is far more effective in "winning" an argument. I debate not because I want to change the mind of the person, but because those lurking and reading along whom are independent and open on a issue will always move away from the side that breaks down logic and devolves into anger.

The win doesn't come from successfully changing someones mind, but rather adding rationality to a argument that 10 people that were simply watching decide your side is the better one because you maintained dignity.

I have failed repeatedly at maintaining civil discourse..meh, I am not a politician..however, I do attempt to correct it as often as possible when I see it to better improve my debate ability. Hopefully one day I will have myself completely in check under all circumstances, but I doubt that will happen.

A politician is a representation of the people..and people are generally a disaster..why shouldn't our politicians represent this disaster equally?



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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I wouldnt have signed it.

It's stupid. Like wearing a "promise ring."

Generally the more symbolic a thing is the more I go out of my way to not do it. There is enough patronizing lip service in this world. We dont need more.


 
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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This goes to show you how corrupt and disgusting these people are.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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90% of people are not going to be bothered with this sort of thing as they have no understanding whats rigth and wrong.

Wasting your time.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Very insightful. It's not "stupid" at all.

Jon Stewart did on spot on these guys not too long ago. I found it encouraging. It's too bad our officals thumb their noses at the idea. I assume they think that reflects the general attitude of those who elected them.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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More important to practice civility than swear to it. What is another broken political promise? Just par for the course, I guess. It may be difficult to maintain civility when all sides are coming at once but I really don't see a down-side to make every attempt at civility.

I wish we could expect our public figures to maintain a higher standard than we do of the rabble, but rousing it seems to be the call of the day.

Empty rhetoric gets a lot of mileage these days. Are we supposed to take our politicians and commentators literally? When someone actually does that it can have a catastrophic outcome.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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Hmmm - I guess I am naive then.

4 responses thus far and 2 have said outright they would not sign it, 2 didn't say but one of the comments leads to think at least one of those may lean "no".

I guess I don't understand. What's the harm in saying you will be civil? Is it fear others will not and you won't be able to respond in kind?

Maybe I'm just a dumb ol' amphibian, but you guys have me stumped here.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Civility from government

LOL



This coming from a gang of thieves that earn their paycheck by pointing guns at innocent people.

This is like Vito Corleone telling Michael Corleone he needs to be civil about his mass theft and murder.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Is it fear others will not and you won't be able to respond in kind?


It's knowing that whether you sign it or not there is nothing shaping your behavior. That anyone who signs it can just act like an ass anytime they want and that anyone who doesnt sign it could act like a perfect gentleman all day long.

It's meaningless.

But then I'm one of those "radicals" who view all legislation as meaningless. No piece of paper can guarantee a behavior.


 
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by alittleironic
This goes to show you how corrupt and disgusting these people are.


This should read:

This goes to show you how corrupt and disgusting WE are

We elect them, they represent us. If you want something different, elect someone different, or even better, RUN FOR OFFICE!!!

Its the easiest thing on earth to stick a sock on your hand and suggest everything going wrong in your life is because of the sockman.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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I guess the problem with saying you will be civil is that people might expect you to always be civil.

Seems they don't want to be restricted in that way.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Frogs
Hmmm - I guess I am naive then.

4 responses thus far and 2 have said outright they would not sign it, 2 didn't say but one of the comments leads to think at least one of those may lean "no".


Oi, I said I would sign it

I also admitted that I would probably fail repeatedly at keeping my end up and would probably have many times where I would be apologising for coming up short. I admit not being perfect, but It seems a worthy goal to strive for overall...not every goal must be achieved flawlessly so long as your truely trying to achieve it..even if it is always just out of reach.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Totally. Take action and blow your lifes savings trying to convince the moron mass to elect you to sit in a seat where your voice/vote will be drowned out by yet another moron mass.

It's worked out so well every time it has been attempted.

I dont blame the politician. I blame the idiots who by virtue of mob rule decide what's best for me.

Oh the best yet, when it may just work, like with Perot, Paul or the Tea folk before they became corrupted, you get the pleasures of having the moron mass beat you down relentlessly.

Who would have thought a pro-liberty, anti-war, fiscally responsible candidate would have been so soundly decimated in an election?

To say the battle is uphill is so beyond an understatement it's insulting.


 
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by sjrily
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I guess the problem with saying you will be civil is that people might expect you to always be civil.

Seems they don't want to be restricted in that way.


You can be civil and also be exceptionally confrontational on issues.

Civil: Obamacare is a nightmare and will destroy a large part of the economic model of capitalism. It oversteps the bounds of constitutionality and must be repealed

Uncivil: Obamacare will kill your grandmother and is satanic. People must take to the streets and demand repeal. lock and load and know what to do if the socialists say no.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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It's not easy and it's not natural to either our human or certainly our societal condition. I will use the words of Jesus to enforce this point. Jesus said, "If a man strikes you on your cheek, offer him your other one also." He also said in His famous sermon on the mount; "Love your enemy, for if you love only those that love you, what more do you do than the wicked."

There are a lot of people that claim followership of Christ,yet would not nor do abide by these teachings. It's difficulte to get struck and not strike back, it takes a strength that few possess. This is the nature of why you're seeing this attitude and these responses. Peace...



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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Totally. Take action and blow your lifes savings trying to convince the moron mass to elect you to sit in a seat where your voice/vote will be drowned out by yet another moron mass.

It's worked out so well every time it has been attempted.

I dont blame the politician. I blame the idiots who by virtue of mob rule decide what's best for me.

Oh the best yet, when it may just work, like with Perot, Paul or the Tea folk before they became corrupted, you get the pleasures of having the moron mass beat you down relentlessly.

Who would have thought a pro-liberty, anti-war, fiscally responsible candidate would have been so soundly decimated in an election?

To say the battle is uphill is so beyond an understatement it's insulting.


 
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I agree actually. fully and without condition.
It is a exceptionally difficult climb to near impossible standards, but it is still available

My personal view on how to deal with this is very unconstitutional, however I, not being a politician, can dream of a better world
Put IQ tests on being a citizen. All citizens can vote, but you must pass a intellectual merit to be considered a full citizen.
And make the requirements significant. 130+ only..that way the scope becomes exceptionally narrow. And before anyone starts saying that is elitism and favors university grads...that is untrue. There are brilliant farmers, and dumbarse professionals. IQ is pretty equal in regards to lifestyle choices.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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Is it fear others will not and you won't be able to respond in kind?


It's knowing that whether you sign it or not there is nothing shaping your behavior. That anyone who signs it can just act like an ass anytime they want and that anyone who doesnt sign it could act like a perfect gentleman all day long.

It's meaningless.

But then I'm one of those "radicals" who view all legislation as meaningless. No piece of paper can guarantee a behavior.


 
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I agree with most of that - just one more vow to break - but if it could bring more awareness to the problem, bring some accountability to the issue, whats the harm? It's not legislation, it's just a "show of effort." I'm probably being naive too, but I'm so sick of feeling like there's no hope to any of it left, that we're at the mercy of TPTB. It's so depressing



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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There hanst been any hope for this system for at least 80 years now.

Coming to grips with that is the only way to get real change. Not elected 'bama change or fickle and short-sighted "4 years" change but real change.


 
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
but real change.


 
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Problem:
How do you fully satisfy 300 million + people?

You don't...you simply don't. You go with majority rule and self governence and hope for the best over time. The people proclaiming the loudest that they see things as crappy and unfair are typically upset with something the minority are upset about.

The nation is not overly concerned about how the minority want the country to be...hense, the small segments of society will be upset about something always..because people are not clones.



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