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Originally posted by reddsite
reply to post by SeaWind
Well sidereal doesnt work eithor, The houses are made by fixed 30 degree seasonal dates. If read my last relpy leovirgo , it would have to be a new tropical with signs changing chairs.edit on 23-1-2011 by reddsite because: spelling correctoin
We have modern astrologers in this thread telling us that signs and their related tendencies and messages must be interpreted by the individuals. And so it's like the recent KIA commercials with the hamsters. "I can go with this or I can go with that." Neither is wrong it's my choice. If I choose correctly I am in some way in touch with the stars and if I choose wrongly I am unenlightened or in some way not ready for the message.
Originally posted by eMachine
reply to post by Xiamara
My birthday is April 8, 1984. According to 'tropical' I am/was an Aries with Cancer Moon and Virgo Rising. I used that program Stellarium to see what the astronomical alignments were when I was born and it shows the Sun in Pisces and Moon in Gemini, which agrees more with Sidereal. On Stellarium, it also looks like the constellation Hydra was ascending on the eastern horizon at the time I was born, with Leo being the nearest ascending 'sign'.
Originally posted by muttish
born august 1st a leo, what am i now?
plz inform me. ty.
Originally posted by Xiamara
I like the new signs it makes a lot more sense now. But then again its for people born after 2003. So as long as your born before that which I'm assuming everyone is, your still the same sign. I think its good we are mixing science and the paranormal. Our ancestors did it so why can't we?
Originally posted by SeaWind
SeaWind: The Astrologer is consulted BEFORE the wedding. Yes, of course, if the marriage fails -- then the Astrologer who pronounced the couple compatible would be considered incompetent.
SeaWind: So you're saying that an astrological reading becomes a "self-fulfilling prophecy." It might be that in certain cases. I believe an astrological reading is more than that and "positive thinking." But you're welcome to believe what you want.
=Attending to one's dreams, waking visions, and synchronicities is the foundation of shamanic consciousness, and was an integral component of the ancient world,
especially through the dream healing practices related to the Greek god of healing,
Asclepius, known in the heavens as Ophiuchus...
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Hemisphere
We have modern astrologers in this thread telling us that signs and their related tendencies and messages must be interpreted by the individuals. And so it's like the recent KIA commercials with the hamsters. "I can go with this or I can go with that." Neither is wrong it's my choice. If I choose correctly I am in some way in touch with the stars and if I choose wrongly I am unenlightened or in some way not ready for the message.
As Seawind likes to point out...even though I have never claimed to be one...I am not an astrologer. Im a observer and a Seeker which is something anyone can be.
Its not just as easy as 'go with this or that'. Its a path of studying first, what has the spheres meant to mankind in the past. Imagine, before you were born...the IAM (Spirit of life) before incarnating into the body that 'makes you'....knows all mankinds past thoughts and ideas, knows the 'signs' in the sky man has made and found meaning to....and knows it can use these concepts to spark a light in you one day when you yourself, seek this true self of 'being' within you and within all other life, like even in the planets and stars in the sky. There is alot of spiritual work that needs to be done, and its a observation going on within you and outside of you over a course of time. Depending on your honesty about yourself, depending on what you feel you are in need of and what you are willing to be open to about what you need to work on...and then emptying your cup before the Universe as you observe the cosmos....you will feel the Universe then, show awareness back to you. This..is just the beginning....of 'feeling' a energy to a sphere. Observing and learning each spheres orbit around the Sun, from Earths perspective, awakens your own inner compass as well...as you being a part, of a much larger self...the Cosmos.
You are a body of energy with a certain vibration. You can pick up on many other vibrations depending on how much you work on being in tune to others. Example is people...over time you can pick up on their vibrations. With people, we often act in ways that will pull other peoples energy into us. We might shun certain people...and by doing this...we gain a certain energy back from them. Learning how to not do this....for our own reasons of self....takes some practice. Being open, to not only what we wish to intake but also, the other energies that are around us that we remain so unaware of all the time...is not something humans are used to anymore.
When you observe planets in the sky....what planet strikes you with the strongest energy. Just off the top of your head....name one planet that strikes you personally...as being a strong planet.
Start with that intuition...trust it...and start to step out and observe it. Learn where it will be and how you can find it in the sky. It might be something you will find in the early morning hours right now....it might be something you will find high in the early night sky. Our of the visible planets...Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn...what one strikes you the strongest right now by just reading them outloud? I ask about the visible planets for they are the easiest to start observing.
Does a full moon strike you more then a new thin crescent moon....or does the thin crescent moon strike you more then the full moon? You can find your moon phase at your birth too...then figure out when the moon will be at that phase again every month...and observe that and see if you feel any tie to that in a harmonic alignment kind of way...as if something is oddly familiar to you about it.
What I suggest, is far beyond just stepping out one night and 'feeling' something one time. Its spiritual work, within you as well as realizing the Spirit within you is within all things outside of you. The IAM within you is within the Moon, Sun, and all the planets and stars...step outside and start to think about that..show awareness to that. You might be surprised at the sense of 'awareness' that returns to you.
Originally posted by Hemisphere
Yes, I am saying exactly that. What I am asking is, is there measurable science behind this? What would convince me of this aside from positive data that might have been slanted and /or selected because it was positive toward the power(s) of the stars? Or a coincidence that might convince me in a similar fashion that say a fortuneteller was correct in forecasting my future? "I see money in your future!' How about that, pay day is friday! I am exagerating of course.
I am both skeptical and playing "the skeptic" in my own thread. If I don't there's no chance of any insights. If I don't you're "preaching to the choir". And so I thank you and others for humoring me and answering my rather pointed questions in a calm and patient fashion. There's not much I can do to soften these questions and so I apologize for that. I think it's the nature of the skepticism beast. That said I remain open to the possibilities provided by you and the others posting.
I will check out your thread.
Originally posted by St Udio
i keep this snip in one of my briefcase folders...as a reminder to myself:
=Attending to one's dreams, waking visions, and synchronicities is the foundation of shamanic consciousness, and was an integral component of the ancient world,
especially through the dream healing practices related to the Greek god of healing,
Asclepius, known in the heavens as Ophiuchus...
see...Ophiuchus is also known as the healing symbol = Caduceus = the DNA double helix
expect some mystical adepts to have been born or conceived under this sign...and
this knowledge to have been secret from the uninitiated ...
my guessing is that one person ruled by this sign might have been Leonardo DaVinci...
among a few others across time & history
Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by SeaWind
thanks for navigating through all the jungle foliage & underbrush of my post.
but even saying that certain peoples were born under a certain sign or date might be misdirection
by those who feel it is their duty to obscure the real dates... especially those born within the short
lived influence of Ophiuchus/ 13th Sign-Constellation
another person in history ... secretly born under this Sign's influence...might have been the Jesus
child...and the Adepts/seers/mystical authorities/Maji have kept this secret from the masses
interesting subject and might make a paradigm changing Thesis project & paper
Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by SeaWind
thanks for navigating through all the jungle foliage & underbrush of my post.
but even saying that certain peoples were born under a certain sign or date might be misdirection
by those who feel it is their duty to obscure the real dates... especially those born within the short
lived influence of Ophiuchus/ 13th Sign-Constellation
another person in history ... secretly born under this Sign's influence...might have been the Jesus
child...and the Adepts/seers/mystical authorities/Maji have kept this secret from the masses
interesting subject and might make a paradigm changing Thesis project & paper