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Originally posted by SocratesPupil
People in JLL's class were afraid of him and his friend even mentioned that when he heard the news report that he thought it was JLL.
Originally posted by SocratesPupil
From 1 of the reports I heard, Fox is still waiting to hear back from the pentagon whether or not JLL was ever enlisted.
Originally posted by SocratesPupil
His behavior warranted a mental health professional and that would appear to be obvious.
Originally posted by SocratesPupil
The truth is that people would rather believe that this incident was senseless and could not have been avoided.
Originally posted by SocratesPupil
Nobody wants to hear that if the military rejected JLL then they made a mistake.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
He made comments and expressed remorse for what he would do by apologizing beforehand.
Originally posted by MurrayTORONTO
Here is radio from tucson police.
www.liveleak.com...
Originally posted by grahag
This is the court of public opinion and I'm relatively certain that you won't find too many people that think that Loughner is innocent based on the evidence that has been presented.
Originally posted by Blazer
Also apparently the day before the shooting, he dropped off some pictures to be developed, which had him posing in a RED G-STRING with his gun. I wonder if he did this and other behavior mentioned to facilitate an insanity plea?edit on 14-1-2011 by Blazer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Blazer
BTW they have video footage of the incident, according to www.nytimes.com...
Also, it emerged Friday that the F.B.I has video footage — taken from the surveillance cameras of businesses in the shopping center where the shooting took place — of the incident, according to a law enforcement source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the source is not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation. Officials are hoping the graphic footage does not have to be used at Mr. Loughner’s trial, because it would likely be painful for the families of the deceased.
Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
Remember waaaaaay back when... A high profile crime would occur and it was obvious to everyone what happened.
Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
The suspects' innocence would be defended by some strong patriotic official (take your pick: Sheriff, Congressman, etc.) that reminded the public "Innocent until proven guilty" all the while knowing (or at least suspecting) they had enough evidence to convict the suspect.
Wull, that was decades ago... Many of those 'suspects' were able to get off... I'm not being specific because it happened so much... They get off because some slimey lawyer got them off on a technicality.
Originally posted by MrWendal
Of course he is not "guilty", he has not even had a trial yet. "I want to see the evidence blah blah blah".. well what makes you so important that you need to see it now?
Originally posted by MrWendal
What makes you think your opinion on the subject means anythign at all? I am not saying this to be rude, just trying to put things into perspective a bit.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
These nuts are screaming for evidence before most of it is even submitted as evidence.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Not to mention just because you want to know everything you are privileged to the evidence, like it should be passed around to conspiracy theorists for show and tell.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
I think it should be illegal to leak and report evidence before trial. All that succeeds at is tainting the jury pool.
Originally posted by Staysay29
reply to post by muzzleflash
I completely agree with you. I felt from the very beginning that there was something "wrong" with this picture.... and people are too quick to judge instead of trying to look at it from other aspects. Thanks for posting this.
Originally posted by SocratesPupil
The purpose being that most people will latch onto the hard evidence such as forensics and witnesses and that will be enough to condemn JLL.
Originally posted by SocratesPupil
Would most people really prefer to just execute this crazy, flag burning, mentally unstable, reclusive, atheists in an act of pure revenge. Doesn't seem that righteous....
Originally posted by jimmyx
apparently all those wounded by him did not see him pull the trigger
Originally posted by jimmyx
and all the bystanders didn't see him pull the trigger
Originally posted by jimmyx
and the old woman that knocked the next loaded ammo magazine from his hand didn't see him pull the trigger
Originally posted by jimmyx
and the people that held him down didn't know he pulled the trigger...
Originally posted by jimmyx
let me be the first to judge quickly...he's guilty of murder
Originally posted by Resurrectio
He did it.. To think otherwise is simply delusional and frankly... pathetic.
Originally posted by Resurrectio
He had a safe .. inside were papers with assassination and Gifford's name written down..
Originally posted by Resurrectio
There are witnesses - Their account will be made public record soon enough...The woman I spoke of earlier, saw him shooting.. She grabbed the clip out of his hand.
Originally posted by Resurrectio
They will find his finger prints on casings/gun/clip.
Originally posted by Resurrectio
What will you say then?
Originally posted by Resurrectio
Will you delve further into fantasy land and call it a set up?
Originally posted by Resurrectio
Let me guess, you think the pic was dr.'d too? Typical here in lala land of conspiracies...
Originally posted by Resurrectio
He is innocent until proven guilty in the courts... But, a person with 1/2 of a brain knows he did it..
Originally posted by Resurrectio
Anyone that has not fell victim to the "everything is a conspiracy" bug, knows he did it..
Originally posted by Resurrectio
There are no life points for finding a conspiracy in everything...
Originally posted by Resurrectio
You wont be able to cite your ability to force a conspiracy, to pick up women...
Originally posted by Resurrectio
I love ATS....
Originally posted by Resurrectio
Yet, you are picking apart immediate accounts of the incident
Originally posted by Resurrectio
accounts often change once a person is allowed to calm down and get the blood flowing through their brain again..
Originally posted by Resurrectio
This was a traumatic situation for these folks.. Their initial testimony is going to all be different in the begining.. It is almost always the case..
Originally posted by Resurrectio
How about we wait for an official account to be laid out, and see if the accounts make sense..
Originally posted by Lovinlife
It's hard to discount and question the dozens of witnesses who saw jared point the weapon and fire into the Giffords head. I'm sorry, maybe I'm naive to the power of government and media mind control programs, or maybe I'm just not paranoid enought to believe that these people can see, think and interpret situations for themselves. I guess my glass is half full perspective on life is giving me a false sense of happiness and optimism on life and humanity....
Salzgeber is the one claiming the gun skittered out of Loughner's hand when he took him down. Other witnesses put the gun in Salzgeber's hand, waving it around and telling Loughner, "I'll kill you." That's a felony death threat right there, but Salzgeber has not been charged. Salzgeber's prints are all over the gun, along with another person's most likely, as the first officer on the scene reported the gun was lost "in the crowd".
All in all I've seen nothing suggesting anything remotely like an investigation was done. The media began immediately pronouncing the arrested man guilty, the next day identifying him by name and an obviously slanted photograph and a steady stream of pseudobiographical information about Loughner gleaned primarily through internet stalking ever since.
The police brass were saying from day 1 that they were looking for an accomplice and don't think Loughner could have pulled it off himself, then they backed off but took the actions I just described. Police know the difference between somebody spraying a crowd with bullets and the work of a professional soldier. That bank robbery in Hollywood, those two guys girded for war, they sprayed thousands of rounds at police, EMT's, journalists, helicopters and civilians, and had nowhere near that kind of accuracy.
Originally posted by mishigas
And what other words were exchanged between Salzgeber and JLL at that time?
Originally posted by mishigas
Yes, but anything you get at this point is either courtesy or bait.
Originally posted by mishigas
Police are under no obligation to show you anything unless you're part of the case. So, the fact that you are working with incomplete evidence is sad but your problem alone.
Originally posted by mishigas
Accuracy, you say? His primary target, Gabrielle Giffords, is still alive, and improving daily.