Jared Lee Loughner is INNOCENT!!

reply to post by muzzleflash


Reading the title, one would think you had some kind of evidence that he is innocent. I see that you mean he is INNOCENT!...until proven guilty in a court of law. And you're right, but I'm sure there are videos of the entire incident, and not only did dozens of people witness the event, several actually tackled him as he was reloading, so it's not like the authorities pulled the real shooter out of the choke hold he was in, and snuck Loughner in there. When you're caught in the act, proving your guilt is only a technicality.

Originally posted by westendh00
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Okay, I am new to this site and am really quite embarrassed for each of you that this is the first thread I see. Jared Lee Loughner is innocent? We are simply pawns of the media? Well geniuses, dozens of people have identified the shooter, his exact clothing and his exact actions that day. A host of people watched the shooter.. the guy that was shooting the gun that is, get tackled and held down until authorities arrived.

Can you name these people?

Originally posted by westendh00
His facebook and myspace plainly state, to us normal people anyways, that he is embarking on a task that he feels will lead to his death and apologizes for his actions.

Can you cite and quote this "confession" you obliquely reference?

Originally posted by westendh00
He's known to have a political agenda, and more specifically a specific agenda against the first victim in the shootings, complete with actual prior exchanges between the two.

Seen Taxi Driver one too many times or what?

Originally posted by westendh00
Ballistics will match every bullet that was fired to the gun Jared Lee Loughner was using.

Who saw him using this gun? Where are their names and stories?

reply to post by PlautusSatire


And why was Loughner there with his weapon?
Likely it was just a man with a concealed weapon, easy to disprove he was guilty which is probably why no one is asking anything. How? Well it's not likely he had the same weapon with an extended clip. Without the clip he couldn't have shot that many shots. One hour in ballistics could tell you if any bullets weren't from jareds gun.

reply to post by PlautusSatire


This is what is wrong with some theorists, they think everything is a conspiracy because they aren't entitled to personally pour over all the evidence themselves. The people who need to know that info will know it. It probably isn't being talked about because the MSM hasn't opened your email with your long list of questions or it's a non issue because any doubt has been erased by police work. Sorry you can't watch every detective on the case via a webcam in their head.

Originally posted by jibeho
However, do not discount for one second the stories and the actions of the people who acted promptly to restrain and disarm this loon and do not discount the actions of those who administered first responder medical aid to the wounded and dying.

He's a loon? Is that your professional diagnosis as a psychologist or just an amateur internet psychology hobbyist stab-in-the-dark? Why do you say he was disarmed? Which witnesses positively identified him and said he was armed?

Originally posted by jibeho
Plenty of eye witnesses who watched move through the crowd as he fired off round after round.

Can you name these witnesses so we can find their stories? You seem to know more about this than anyone on the planet, you're even privy to Loughner's mental state without even a single examination of him. Who gave you this information, the Truth Fairy?

Originally posted by jibeho
Just to refresh your memory OP. The woman who disarmed him was eye to eye with a KILLER.

Just to refresh your memory, that woman was cowering when the shooting was going on, she didn't positively identify anyone, she said when she first saw Loughner he was subdued, when she first saw the gun it was on the ground near her and somebody was telling her to grab it. When she balked, that same man produced a magazine and threw that at her, told her to grab it. No witness reports include any positive identification of Loughner or indicating he ever had a gun in his hand at any time. I think you're imagining most of what you believe about this event. Virtually none of what you say is supported by anything but your confidence.

Originally posted by ANOMALY502
So multiple eyewitness accounts is not good enough?? (under oath) when the time comes??

It hasn't been in the case of UFO's so why should it be for homicide? Either "multiple eyewitness accounts" are good enough and UFO's and aliens DO EXIST and JLL shot all those people....OR

-"multiple eyewitness accounts" is not good enough and UFOs and Aliens are still up for speculation as is the presumed actions of JLL...

I'm going with the later...Further evidence is needed in addition to witness accounts for any conclusion to be made.

I hope people can see past the comparison and see the point I'm trying to make here.


Edit: I fully expect JLL to get an NGRI (not guilty by reasons of insanity) in which case depending on state of AZ and how they operate their NGRI he could be at a mental hospital from 1 year to life. Considering the evidence of nonsensical behavior within his youtube page and forum writings a case of NGRI could be presented easily.

ALSO to the OP:

I agree innocent until proven guilty! Many people forget this and toss this aside on a case by case basis based on how good a job the media does of portraying someone as a demon who is so dangerous it would be best to just presume them guilty.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If I were on the jury, I'd have to see evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to proclaim him guilty, but as an ATS member, it's OK if I say and think that he's guilty.

Presumably this means you already think there's evidence beyond reasonable doubt, unless you think your belief in his guilt is unreasonable. Yeah, it's okay for you to say and think he's guilty here, in fact I for one prefer it. It's better when gullible people self-identify so we can deal with them appropriately.

Originally posted by yzzyUK
NO ONE had a video camera rolling or CCTV rolling when JLL started to shoot?

Why are you assuming he did any shooting at all? Because the police said so? They're liars, every one, without exception. I wouldn't trust the police to walk my dog.

Originally posted by michial
I haven't seen one post yet about obvious evidence. Bullet slugs recovered, gun, matching ballistics, powder residue? I am just as much for a fair trial as anyone else. Unfortunately I've seen some pretty wild things said including blaming the parents. I even at one point thought there was someone else involved due to what I saw on Youtube. I believe there will be a fair trial and in a case as high profile as this there will be lots of investigation applied.

Thanks mate. I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the literal smoking gun.

He is innocent until proven guilty of course, however...this is all but a technicality. Some things are pretty obvious, however, there is that fraction of a percent chance that..erm...someone stole his gun, threw his body over their own, shot everyone, then at the last second, gave him back the gun and erm...slid under the chairs and got away.

Of course, maybe aliens did it. He will have his day in court to plead his case against the evidence.

Originally posted by PlautusSatire

Originally posted by yzzyUK
NO ONE had a video camera rolling or CCTV rolling when JLL started to shoot?

Why are you assuming he did any shooting at all? Because the police said so? They're liars, every one, without exception. I wouldn't trust the police to walk my dog.

But who would be the first one you'd call when your house is broken into? Or when you come out of the mall from shopping and your car is missing?

lol

Originally posted by AtruthGuy
He failed the drug test at the MEPS....
He was a crack head.

www.newser.com...


No brainwashing needed.

Actually MEPS accepted him, they then claim that he washed out by admitting habitually smoking pot. What a convenient way to burn the paper trail if you're an army recruiter recruiting a patsy for an army operation.

Originally posted by PlautusSatire

Originally posted by yzzyUK
NO ONE had a video camera rolling or CCTV rolling when JLL started to shoot?

Why are you assuming he did any shooting at all? Because the police said so? They're liars, every one, without exception. I wouldn't trust the police to walk my dog.

I would trust a cop over some of the insanity that goes on around here anyhow. if it was up to some people on ATS, nobody would ever be convicted of a crime. Meh...anarchists.

Originally posted by tom502
This case, like most, I think, leaves no question of guilt. The person was apprehended with the gun, and everyone saw him do it. He should be taken out and hung days ago.

Which witnesses positively identified Loughner holding a gun spraying people with bullets?

Originally posted by Common Good
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Thank god this is not a democracy, cause if it was, he would already be hanging.

This is a republic, with a court system for these kinds of things, you just cant get a bunch of people together and democratically say hes guilty without trial, thats not how our system works.

Yea, hes probably guilty as all hell, but until he has his day in court, hes innocent.

Your right The USA is a Republic Nation it even say's so in the pledge of allegiance (and TO The Republic for which it STANDS ) tho The Court System is somewhat like a Democracy the Majority of the Jury
Makes The Vote

Separation of Church & State doesn't much exists either Under God whos god Yours or Mine !
Under God was Put there in 1954 with the help of Eisenhower and the Knights of Columbus

Originally posted by MisterCrowley
We really should be allowed to see the video of the gifford shooting.. I mean it would be educational. It also would let the public know what really happen. It wouldn't be to graphic they have sex scenes on TV. But we can't watch wide eyed gifford get her head blown to pieces? Who do they think they are. RELEASE THE VIDEO SO WE know if Jared is guilty. I'm sure adults would be able to handle it... STUPID nanny state!! Is Gifford dead yet? To bad, she was a lousy politician.. I hope her career is over at the very least.

edit on 13-1-2011 by MisterCrowley because: (no reason given)

I think you just want the video as snuff porn, you seem to have Giffords and appear to be quite happy she had a lead lobotomy. Where exactly were you at the time of this shooting? Aside from being at the location, there's as much evidence proving YOU did these killings as there is Loughner.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Political correctness ad absurdum ...

Tell the girl who died that he is not guilty.

Originally posted by Unity_99
911 call says the suspect ran, he ran north......right next to the safeway. He was wearing a hoodie, black.

At 1 10 it says, "and he ran." in the video

Not only that, but the man said by many to have "tackled" Loughner was wearing a black hoodie, and carrying a concealed weapon with a permit. It's much more likely this gun nut sprayed a crowd with bullets than this kid who the evidence suggests has never fired a gun before in his life. Why don't we ask this Fiducio guy or whatever the hell he says his name is if he had anything to do with the shootings, ask him how he felt about Giffords representing his "district-8". Ask that guy if he ever posts on YouTube and Myspace using other people's names. Ask him if he's in the army, if he knows the recruiter that falsified Loughner's MEPS papers. He certainly had opportunity and means, he was certainly wearing a black hoodie as the witnesses all describe, why was everyone shouting that they had the wrong man? Did he have a motive to kill these people? Is he a soldier trained to kill on command? THOSE are the real "mind control slaves", the soldiers, the police, they're all liars and serial killers. Who put these psychotic people in charge? They put themselves in charge, that's who, and everyone who swallows their lies in the face of conflicting evidence is complicit in their murders, they are all accessories after the fact.