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Lebanon government likely to fall today... Confirmed : will fall today

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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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London's suicide bombers or train Islamic militants that blew up restaurants/nightclubs in Bali or trained Pakistanis to murder re Mumbai, 9/11..

All false-flags. Sorry.

But yeah, there's ``real terrorists`` out there... but a lot of them wouldn't exist in the first place if it wasn't for US-Saudi Arabia funding extremists madrassas in Pakistan back in the 70s-80s. Not to mention US installation of puppets government all across the middle-east... and the invasion of several countries in the middle-east.

Reap what you sow.

Hamas prime minister orders security forces to disregard ceasefire
That's gonna end well... not.

Nasrallah: There will never be war between Sunnis, Shiites
+1
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Cool. Proof would be nice..

The tribunal is coming to these conclusions, not sure what proof they have. You can be satisfied with that, or you can decide it's the Mossad anyway, even though there isn't any proof on that either.
Either way that's all we've got now and whoever wants to see Hezbollah as a villain will look at it one way, whoever wants to see Israel as the villain will look at it the other.


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This UN "investigation" is nothing more than a deliberate destabilising measure ...
... Remember to always look at who benefits from any event - that almost always points to the real culprit or intent.

Can't the same then be said about the Goldstone report, the investigation of the flotilla incident, etc? Who benefited from those investigations? How can we trust any investigation, if, in the end, someone benefits from it?


Syria, whilst claiming innocence, and probably rightfully so, was forced to pull it's forces out of Lebanon due to the backlash.

Wasn't it the Lebanese that asked for that?
So if Israel hadn't accused Syria, the Lebanese wouldn't have asked for it to pull out? I didn't know Israel had such an influence over the Lebanese minds.
Wasn't Hariri anti Syrian, and was trying to get these guys to pull out of his country anyway?


Soon after, Israel launched it's attack against Lebanon

Didn't that war start over the attack of a convoy and kidnapping of two reserve soldiers?


(including Hezbollah, which is after all a Lebanese defence militia)

They seem to be mainly defending themselves and their interests at the moment.


Israel is itching for another go as it needs the land and, more importantly, fresh water sources.

Israel had the Litani up until 2000 when it pulled out, was it pumping water out of it then?


So, after unsuccessfully blaming Syria and failing to capitalise on the engineered situation, they have to change tack. Hence the shift in blame for Hariri's assassination being the work of Hezbollah.

Wasn't it the tribunal that proved that Syria wasn't involved in it? The same tribunal that found evidence that Hezbollah was? So you believe them when they claim Syria was not involved, but not when they say Hezbollah was involved?


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Nasrallah: There will never be war between Sunnis, Shiites

Are you sure he wasn't being sarcastic?
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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Personally I don't believe ANY of them..
The UN is a useless scam and EVERY Government lies..

In international incidents often deals are done behind closed doors and Joe Public is feed a story not even close to the truth..
Usually the deals are to save face or to avoid the embarrassment of prosecuting people..
They all have dirt on eachother and know how to use it..

That's the reality we are faced with...



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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And it probably has been this way since the dawn of civilization.



posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Oh boy... this doesn't sound good at all.

Report: UNIFIL limits patrols along border

The United Nations is reducing its presence in southern Lebanon following the impending political crisis: Lebanese daily al-Akhabar, which is affiliated with Hezbollah, reported Friday that UNIFIL forces have limited their patrols along the southern border with Israel, fearing a looming civil strife.

Hopefully this is not the beginning of the entire UNIFIL leaving...so Israel can come in and enter Lebanon.


1:15pm Hariri left Ankara for Beirut.

Coming back... finally.



10:50am LF MP Antoine Zahra to al-Jadid: Hariri will most probably be nominated PM again. He was targeted because of his stance from the STL.

Question is... will Hezbollah accept it?

Haaretz Denies Israeli Troops on Alert
Yeah...except every previous statement from Israeli government sources said that they were preparing for any contingencies, including going in, if Hezbollah tried to take over.

Politicians Apparently Intend to Revive Saudi-Syrian Initiative

Officials have told AFP the pact proposed a trade-off: Hizbullah will not resort to violence if Hariri agrees to reject the STL accusations.

Nasrallah, who has made it clear he would not sit idle should any Hizbullah members be indicted, is expected to address the latest political crisis in coming days.

Ahead of Monday's consultations, Hizbullah said it would nominate a premier with "a history of resistance," but stopped short of giving names.

"We will meet on Sunday to make the decision we find appropriate," MP Abbas Hashem, a member of the Hizbullah-led parliamentary alliance, told AFP.

"We respect Saad Hariri's inability to face the crisis, seeing as he said he was not keen on holding on to premiership as he said he was not stick to lead the government."


Jumblat Meets Nasrallah, Who 'Will Make an Appearance Soon'

Hizbullah Secretary-General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah on Thursday held talks with Progressive Socialist Party leader MP Walid Jumblat, in the presence of caretaker Public Works and Transport Minister Ghazi Aridi and Hizbullah security chief Wafiq Safa, Hizbullah's Media Unit announced in a statement.
Talks tackled "the latest political developments in Lebanon, the outcome of the Syrian-Saudi efforts and the resignation of the Opposition ministers from the government," the statement added.


Canada Backs Hariri, Says Resignations Seek to Undermine Stability
And the boot licking of Israel from Harper continues... Funny how they denounce what they themselves did a few years back to take power uh? All they did WAS CONSTITUTIONAL.

Jumblatt heads to Damascus on Saturday
Jumblatt meeting with Nasrallah and Syria...

LBCI: Nasrallah to speak Friday
Shall be interesting.


Two grenades hurled at office of party allied with Hezbollah in Lebanon (Haaretz)

Some people want blood in the streets.


Turkey president: Relations with Israeli government worst in countries history (Ch.10)

Hopefully war doesn't break out between Israel and Lebanon or Turkey could join it...and then boooooooom.

Israeli daily Jerusalem Post on Monday reported that Mossad officials expect Hezbollah to fire between 400 and 600 missiles a day into occupied Palestine in a new conflict, adding that Tel Aviv would be targeted.
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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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As expected He is BACK.

Lebanon's ousted prime minister returns to Beirut

Lebanon's ousted prime minister returned to Beirut today despite calls for him to remain in exile by opposition members who caused his government to collapse.

Saad Hariri, the former leader who is acting in a caretaker role after 11 ministers walked out of his cabinet two days ago, is likely to re-nominate himself in a leadership ballot scheduled for Monday, in which opposition members are expected to put forward several pro-Syrian candidates.

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Lebanon's Hariri says no alternative to dialogue

Lebanon's caretaker Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri said on Friday that the country's rival political factions had no alternative to dialogue after the collapse of his "unity government" this week.

"There is no alternative for all of us to dialogue, and no side in Lebanon will be able to eliminate the other," Hariri said in his first public comments since Hezbollah and its allies resigned and brought down the government on Wednesday.

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posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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www.presstv.ir...

IDF scrambles 14 jets over Lebanon



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 03:49 AM
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Geagea: Not naming Hariri will ignite a ’strife’ in Lebanon

Typical politics... Do what we want or it's the end! Both sides are saying this... sounds more and more like US politics.

Lebanon's Parliament is set to pick a prime minister on Tuesday after two days of debate in the legislature—but the country's political future could be decided in Damascus this weekend.
On one side you have Hezbollah who said would block any Hariri move as PM... and on the other side, you have the party in power who still want Hariri... yeah that's gonna end well.

Isr ael Warns Hezbollah Against Any Spillover of Violence from Lebanese Crisis

However, Uzi Landau, a member of Prime Minister Binjamin Netanyahu's cabinet, spoke on Israeli radio Thursday and warned that Israel is prepared to hit hard if Hezbollah strikes at Israeli interests.


STL indictment to be sent to judge "imminently" say sources in Beirut
Should have been done months ago.

Nasrallah to address latest developments on Sunday
Should be interesting.

Hariri: Between Power and My People's Dignity, I Choose Dignity of Lebanon, Lebanese
Well good.

Lebanese, Israeli militaries on alert along border
Quite obvious really.
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:23 AM
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Report: UN Tribunal to link Iran's Supreme Leader with Hariri assassination

www.haaretz.com...



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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As for Israel actually starting the 2006 war... like I said earlier, by sending commandos deep inside Lebanon...

Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice

The original story, as most media tell it, goes something like this: Hezbollah attacked an Israeli border patrol station, killing six and taking two soldiers hostage. The incident happened on the Lebanese/Israel border in Israeli territory. The alternate version, as explained by several news outlets, tells a bit of a different tale: These sources contend that Israel sent a commando force into southern Lebanon and was subsequently attacked by Hezbollah near the village of Aitaa al-Chaab, well inside Lebanon's southern territory. It was at this point that an Israel tank was struck by Hezbollah fighters, which resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the death of six.

As the AFP reported, "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning." And the French news site www.VoltaireNet.org reiterated the same account on June 18, "In a deliberated way, [Israel] sent a commando in the Lebanese back-country to Aitaa al-Chaab. It was attacked by Hezbollah, taking two prisoners."

The Associated Press departed from the official version as well. "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them," reported Joseph Panossian for AP on July 12. "The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

And the Hindustan Times on July 12 conveyed a similar account:

"The Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. 'Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hezbollah said. 'The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they 'infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."

Whether factual or not, these alternative accounts should at the very least raise serious questions as to Israel's motives and rationale for bombarding Lebanon.

MSNBC online first reported that Hezbollah had captured Israeli soldiers "inside" Lebanon, only to change their story hours later after the Israeli government gave an official statement to the contrary.


See? I was not making this up.
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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Every main steam media changed the story hours after the beginning of the event, because every reporter that came to the scene could see first hand and with his own eyes where it took place, instead of speculating.
They forget to mention that during the well planed attack on the IDF soldiers, Hezbolla began launching rockets and mortar shells across the border for many miles, as a diversion from the main event. For about 30 minutes or more, Idf command did not know what exactly is happening.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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Well I won't ever know for certain since I wasn't there. Thing is, both sides have their story and will stick to it no matter what.

Fact is, Israel has done this kind of infiltrating and kidnapping of Lebanese citizen in the past, so it wouldn't be a surprise if that time Hezbollah stood their ground and fought back. Hezbollah and Hamas have both done the same thing, kidnapping Israelis in the past...

Both parties have committed plenty of crimes over the years, so eh, who cares who did what first.... the result is the same... a war and countless civilians who died for nothing.

Lebanon tribunal to publish report on Monday

The UN Tribunal for Lebanon will publish its findings on Monday, Lebanese Labor Minister Boutros Harb stated on Saturday.

According to estimates, the report will name 2-6 members of Hezbollah in connection to the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri

Should be some trouble monday. Or perhaps even before then.
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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Are we all forgetting that Hezbollah released a video of the ambush declaring it a victory over the Israelis?

Plus those two soldiers that were kidnapped belonged to a unit which was definitely not spec ops, not only that but they were reservists...

Edit: Or maybe I'm the one with the bad memory.. Let me see if I can find anything on it..
Edit 2: I can't seem to find anything on it, so I must be confusing this with something else..
What I did found is that an interview with Nasrallah suggests this was a planned event on their part-
www.haaretz.com...



"We did not think that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude. You ask me if I had known on July 11 ... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not," he said.


Keyword is operation, indicating it wasn't a spontaneous defensive action, but rather a planned offensive action.

Also there's this-

en.wikipedia.org...'it-Shtula_incident

Israel, the UN,[15][16] the EU,[17] the G8,[18] the US,[19] and prominent news agencies,[8][20][21][22][23] including Al Jazeera,[24] have characterized the Hezbollah action as "cross-border" (and therefore an act of war under international law), although allegedly the Lebanese police, and later Hezbollah, stated that the Israeli soldiers were abducted on the Lebanese side of the border "during a mission to infiltrate the town of Ayta ash-Shab."[25]


www.un.org...
The UN security council claims it was Hezbollah who crossed, so either they weren't notified (I doubt that), or it wasn't known yet (why would it take time to come out with something like that?).

expressed “deep alarm” at the spiral of violence, sparked by Wednesday's kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah fighters crossing the Blue Line between Israel and Lebanon.


Finding the AlJazeerah article was difficult, as they seem to have removed it, so I looked for the headline and found this news archive-
williambowles.info...

many Lebanese are divided over Hezbollah's capture of two Israeli soldiers. Some politicians have expressed doubt about or condemned Hezbollah's cross-border raid on Wednesday


Anyway, from where I'm looking at it it all suggests that this was a Hezbollah operation, and that versions changed only after people started pointing fingers at Hezbollah for the attack. Even AlJazeera reports this on the 14 of July, two days after the attack, as a cross border raid...

Seeing as how Hezbollah and Hamas pounce at every opportunity to present the IDF as an invasive occupier I can't see how something like an Israeli spec ops invasion would take so long to pop up.

Also there's footage of the aftermath, but you'd assume it's all been faked, so I'm not going to go there.

Do you find that to be enough to refute your alternative version, or are you sticking with it?

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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
www.presstv.ir...

IDF scrambles 14 jets over Lebanon


I would be open minded when reading anything from Presstv. Its the offical Iranian Government news source and has been known to leave out pertinent information.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Well now, if even Al-Jazeera said it... then they probably crossed the border.



I would be open minded when reading anything from Presstv. Its the offical Iranian Government news source and has been known to leave out pertinent information.

Still, Israel have been known to do several violations of Lebanese airspace to gather information or to do intimidation.

Back in 06, just after the ceasefire, one Israeli warplane descended on a UNIFIL anti-air position and at the last minute turned around... UNIFIL nearly downed that plane.

Fact is, if UNIFIL had done their job, we wouldn't be in this mess today. Israeli planes violating Lebanese airspace would have been shot down and Hezbollah would have been disarmed.... but of course UNIFIL did nothing of the sort.... so they'll likely run for the hills when the border goes hot.



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Future News: Future bloc announces PM Saad Hariri as candidate for premiership



6:02pm Aoun: Lebanon cannot continue with the Hariri policy which is destroying Lebanon.

6:00pm Aoun in a message to Jumblat: He cannot split himself otherwise he would be returning to the wrong position.

Well big division here between the parties... one side supports Hariri, the other not...

Future bloc, March 14 to reportedly boycott next cabinet if not headed by Hariri
Not good.
Soueid: Hezbollah to lose political battle if it takes to the streets

Now let's do some maths...

If Hariri isn't named as PM :

Future Bloc + March 14 alliance : 47 MPs

March 8 alliance... (Hezbollah) : 56 MPs.

Now... it all depends on the independents and Jumblatt party... Jumblatt and half the independents siding with the March 8 alliance, 72 MPs... out of 128. March 8 alliance would form the new government. Which Israel and the US wouldn't like at all.

Nasrallah is supposed to do a speech within an hour.


First U.S. ambassador in 5 years arrives in Syria (AP)

+1


Lebanese official: Hariri indictment to be submitted in 48 hours (DPA)

Public or not is the question.


Turkey PM Erdogan to hold talks on Lebanon crisis in Syria (Reuters)


Report: Syria tells students studying in Lebanon to leave country over fear of riots (Ch.10)

Expecting trouble are we?
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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Nasrallah speech is about to start...

And now this shows up in Israeli news...


Report: Iran to acquire 3 nuclear bombs in 2013, one of which meant for Hezbollah (Ch. 10)

Yeah total coincidence this ``report`` shows up just before Hezbollah speech... and right on the eve of a big political storm in Lebanon uh? Total coincidence, I'm sure!


Nasrallah speech on NOWLEBANON



- We supported Saudi-Syrian efforts to defuse tensions in Lebanon. We gambled on it along with everyone who wanted what is good for Lebanon.

- The talks were launched, although some in Lebanon denied that ideas were floated [to resolve the impasse].

- I want to be very clear regarding the issue, [so] no one presents any made-up stories to the people.

- From the beginning, Saudi Arabia was very clear. [Riyadh] said that the STL cannot be abolished. We said that we understand this fact.

- Also, Saudi Arabia said that the STL’s indictment cannot be abolished. We also understood this fact. Saudi Arabia was not able to [convince] the US and Israel to cancel [the indictment].

- The issue we [wanted] was : 1- To postpone the issue of the indictment and 2- To contain the repercussions of the indictment.

- We refuse the indictment and believe that we are targeted by it.

- The results of the talks reached the following: How to neutralize Lebanon:

- The cabinet meets and withdraws the Lebanese judges from the STL,

- Lebanon stops funding the tribunal

- Lebanon’s agreement with the STL is abrogated

- It is not the job of the Lebanese government to arrest those indicted by the STL.

- If we had agreed to these three [conditions], we would be preventing conflict in Lebanon.

- We want to reach a middle ground. We were informed by Saudi Arabia that they and Hariri agree on these 3 conditions.

- In return, they stated that other [conditions] should be fulfilled by the March 8 coalition.

- They told us these conditions… the atmosphere [at first] was positive.
- The medical condition of the Saudi king slowed down the [progress of the talks].

- A couple of weeks ago, we were told [by Saudi Arabia] that the king is adamant about the compromise.

- We were told that PM Saad Hariri was going to travel to the US for further talks. He even made a statement before he traveled to the US announcing that a [Saudi-Syrian] agreement had been reached… although he held [March 8] responsible [for not implementing its terms].

- Hariri traveled to the US and out of nowhere, Saudi Arabia contacted Damascus, telling it that it cannot carry out the efforts and that the talks have suddenly stopped.

- We were also informed that the STL’s indictment will be issued soon.



8:43pm Nasrallah: The U.S. and the Israelis have been rejecting the S-S agreement since the beginning.

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posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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I wouldnt doubt it. There are media reports circulating now that the computer virus that infected Iran's nuclear infrastructure was a joint US-Israeli program.


Report: U.S.-Israel Tested Worm Linked to Iran Atom Woes


WASHINGTON -- Israel has tested a computer worm believed to have sabotaged Iran's nuclear centrifuges and slowed its ability to develop an atomic weapon, The New York Times reported Saturday.

In what the Times described as a joint Israeli-U.S. effort to undermine Iran's nuclear ambitions, it said the tests of the destructive Stuxnet worm had occurred over the past two years at the heavily guarded Dimona complex in the Negev desert.



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