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Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by RRokkyy
The ONLY EXPLANATION for spiritual consciousness is that of Adi Da, given in The Knee of LIstening
How's that for arrogance?
.... Perhaps not everyone can be cured but the fact is that I know from researching the community that almost no one is trying. A cure rate of one (myself) in 400 million in North America demonstrates this point.
Schizophrenia term use 'invalid'
The term schizophrenia should be abolished, experts have said.
They claim the category falsely groups a wide range of symptoms and encourages over-reliance on anti-psychotic drugs rather than psychological intervention.
The academics also said the label stigmatised people as being violent, dangerous and untreatable.
But other scientists said the term should not be scrapped without finding another means of classifying patients with psychosis.
I think the concept is scientifically meaningless, clinically unhelpful and ultimately has been damaging to patients (Richard Bentall)
Schizophrenia represents a complex mental health disorder. Symptoms vary from person to person, but include delusions, hallucinations and disordered perceptions of reality.
Originally posted by christina-66
I have to congratulate you RRokkyy – you found your path. You found a system that suits you and has helped you beat what has been regarded as an incurable illness/condition against all the odds given the resistance you probably faced on your journey. There is a strength to be admired in that achievement.
You see the excerpt from the article above states that they would want the schizophrenia label abolished because it covers a wide range of symptoms and the label is extremely stigmatic. We are all different. You found your path and I found mine. They both worked for us and that’s what’s important – nothing else. I would be curious to know how long you suffered, if you were ever hospitalised and what medications you were, or still, prescribed.
It’s not people like me you have to convince that there are other ways – it’s the medics, the social workers, the project workers, outreach workers and all the other employees whose jobs depend on you and me staying ‘ill’ for life. Recovery=No Job from their perspective. No drugs = no profits for big pharma. There is a myriad of ways to treat mental illness – none of them are explored or considered by the medics.
The medics appear to rely on every source of information available to them apart from the most obvious – their patients.
I am not ‘still schizophrenic’ – and I don’t believe I EVER was schizophrenic despite the label.
I DID have psychotic breaks –
Never hospitalized. I was diagnosed at about 18 and given Thorazine and Librium for anxiety. I found that if stopped drinking coffee and tea I didn't need the Librium. Then I discovered if I took mega doses of vitamins I didn't need the Thorazine. And I was starting to develope tardive dyskinesia so I was lucky I stopped taking it.
It took one week of reading The Knee of LIstening and The Method of the Siddhas to change my consciousness.But it took me ten years of suffering to find those books. That moment of change can be described as an incredible rush,WOW! One moment I was in this lower state of SZ,fearful and anxious, and the next moment I was in this Blissful Energy Ecstasy State feeling a sense of unity with everything. I was Born Again to use Christian terminology. It was a spiritual,not religious,conversion.
I got to see Adi Da in 1979 and He transmitted His Shaktipat (spiritual force-kundalini) to me on several occasions. It was an Awesome experience.
So to me SZ is the opposite of spiritual awakening,
just as fear is the opposite of love. I still dont know
what is your path. Is it vitamins and nutrition. I have had some psychotic like depressive states,mostly due to a combination of mercury poisoning and prozac,luvox,zonegram combinations. But my knowledge is SZ. And I dont believe that hallucinations ,auditory or visual,delusions,or paranoia are what defines SZ. People on '___' may experience those states but they may be in a very spiritual state of oneness. The Essence of SZ is a feeling of separation along with anxiety and fear.
Originally posted by Cesearesque
People should be careful of speaking in absolutes. I'm sure there are cases where a person suffering from "schizophrenia" was really experiencing a spiritual experience. And then I'm sure there are times (probably most of them) when a person is simply mentally ill.
Unless we discuss the facts, case by case, I don't think there is any way to definitively answer this question.
However, I seriously question the fact that mental 'illness' is caused by genetics or has a root biological cause which can only be treated by mind altering drugs.
One of my clients was a psychiatrist. He wrote a book early in the 1980's. Translated into 38 languages and with 2 revisions it is still used to train psychiatric nurses to this day. He says his book is a load of BULL. It was early in his career and he simply jumped on the bandwagon of popular thinking of the time....he freely admitted - to further his career. He now says 'it's the way people have been treated that causes the disturbance.' He gave an example of one of his patients who was kept under lock and key by her mother for all of her 16 years, only released when her mother died. Unable to cope with the 'normal' world or to socially interact normally (perfectly understandable to everyone I would hope - psychiatry failed to, and diagnosed her schizophrenic.
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Originally posted by christina-66
Could you please describe that experience in a little more detail?
I honed in on psychosis not schizophrenia as being spiritually connected. When I said to my psychiatrist that the psychosis had been like my subconscious coming to the fore while my conscious mind was sidelined he said this was a very good way of describing it.
I know how to induce psychosis (in myself) – I would simply not eat or sleep for a couple of days.
It was following the final hospitalisation that I began to read about alternative theories of what I had experienced and discovered the concept of kundalini.
Why would I possibly want to induce psychosis? As I said to the psychiatrist during an outpatient appointment – this is not all negative there are some positives of a spiritual nature to this experience.
'Psychiatry is to medicine what astrology is to astronomy.' -- Leonard Roy Frank
Originally posted by Throwback
reply to post by christina-66
I've seen plenty of Christian crazies, but the Tibetan ones always elude me.
I'm saying none of these "symptoms" have been in any spiritual texts.edit on 17-1-2011 by Throwback because: (no reason given)
Ezekiel 8:1 In the sixth year, in the sixth month on the fifth day, while I was sitting in my house and the elders of Judah were sitting before me, the hand of the Sovereign LORD came upon me there. 2 I looked, and I saw a figure like that of a man. … The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he took me to Jerusalem, to the entrance to the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood. 4 And there before me was the glory of the God of Israel, as in the vision I had seen in the plain.
5 Then he said to me,…
Ezekiel 9:1 Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, “Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon in his hand.”
Numbers Chapter 12
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Genesis Chapter 15
1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
Luke Chapter 1
22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.
Acts Chapter 9
12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Daniel Chapter 7
15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
Numbers Chapter 24
16 He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:
Acts Chapter 9
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts Chapter 10
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Isaiah Chapter 6
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.