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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Originally posted by sinohptik
Wait, what were we talking about?
Nothing, everthing and everything in between..
[ "next..?" still manning door on the side..]
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
There is nothing that is something of any particular signficance, since everything is everything that is, already always now and forever. In other words, there is nothing that is something in everything, that we ought to be overly impressed by, since it's something which arose from nothing in everything to begin with! Nothing is therefore discreet, or an OM point, an Omegapoint of the creation of a new nothing in everything already always now and forever (in God) as a domain of creatvity out of which an apparent "something" or anything (any thing) arises, not as something or anything in particular, but merely as a new nothing which then expands ad infinitim in the infinitude of the everything that is everything already always. The "process" of that activity of being impressed by the illusion of the creation, of the somethingness of nothing in everything, is the "forgetting" that the creation is itself a created something in nothing, and even the creator creating (now us as co-creators) is also a "thing" of some kind and therefore nothing of any significance or importance, and most certainly nothing to be OVERY impressed by through sensory imput and cognitive filtering! We cannot take our "selves" or our thoughts of self, and conceptualizations of the self, the life for the self, seriously, or even any particular "thing" that we may choose, or wish to create from nothing, that too and we ourselves are nothing, and discreet adn finite nothings at that!
Only the uncreated everything already always, is real. Any thing else, anything at all, even the apparently GREATEST thing (the creation), being a thing, is also a nothing created as an Om Point or a "whim" or an impulse, originating with the question "who am I"? And now the same applies to us, by some unfathomable divine proportion and extension, not unlike a gift extended, to recognize God and be recognized by God in himself, in his true self, self realized in the human being, the only ultimate thing, since it serves this final purpose as an "Alpha and Omega" not of creation, not even of the created, but of the uncreated eternal out of which flows the persistent illusion of creation (flow of the living water of eternal life), so that God might recognize himself over and over again from a seemingly infinite variety of perspectives, but as the already everything always and forever now, he is all inclusive and not exclusive or particularized, not finite, but infinite, not a nothing, or even a something, not a thing, not even the role of creator creating, and not the process, except as this process of recognition, so that we will never EVER forget again, our TRUE self, and our TRUE life, as intended, where the freedom to choose, is not to choose something, or nothing, but only the everything already always as our true condition in eternity WITH God, full re-cognized right NOW in us.
So while we're free to create, in creating more nothing, and even in playing the role of the creator in a co-creative participatve activity, let's not forget what the GOAL of the creation of things was for, which is for this ongoing remembrance and recognition of God as our true self, with our true self (not our ego) in God, or simply put God realized or in the process of realizing. That's who we are, it's our purpose, and the payoff is rather significant in the end - behold the nothing of everything! Do not be impressed or spellbound, it is after all nothing to be concerned with, there being only one primary concern, which isn't even our own as created things, but certaintly is as part of the uncreated everything already always who is God now recognizing himself as he truly is, at the very moment of re-cognition, through us, while making it (our own nothing) that we might also recognize who we truly are as made in his image, and enjoy our place in his eternal havenly household in deep sharing or kononia.
Ah, good food - time to dance! Ladies and gentlemen...?
edit on 14-1-2011 by NewAgeMan because: Remember not to forget ourselves when we're out there, and become spellbound and inadvertantly forget ourselves again..!edit on 14-1-2011 by NewAgeMan because: Remember NOT to forget ourselves when we're out there on the floor to become spellbound, and inadvertantly forget ourselves again.. if you're too drunk, just sit back and take it easy, I told you boys you aint seen nutin yet! ; )
"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.
If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.
If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.
Next, by Ervin Laszlo
Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.
In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".
Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:
[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."
an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything
Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."
Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.
According to James Oroc's experiences (Tryptamine Palace), when the ego is dissolved in consciousness through the temporary formation of a type of neurological "Bose Einstein Condensate", there is no real dilineation or distinction between individual consciousness and God-consciousness or the universal "akashic field" (Lazslo) aka Zero Point Field.
Originally posted by ThisIsMyName
I don't know a lot about quantum mechanics but I have read some info, I don't know either what the universe exactly is and I accept that I can't know.
If I were try to rationalize it I would say that everything in existence is energy that vibrates on several spectrum at several frequencies, some that defy time and space (thus some of the theories of quantum mechanics around how the future may effect the past). My knowledge of the subject prevents me from going much further, the universe is a very complicated place.
Almost everything can be rationalized to a scientific or mathematical understanding but chaos theory plays a huge role giving our universe an apparent randomness (I can't specifically say what has or can be rationalized at these levels but I will say it generally for now). For example, they could predict weather using rationalized mathematical equations or observations but there are other equations that clash with this one that in the short run may have no effect, but in the long run makes huge unpredictable changes (rough example of chaos as seen in a recent BBC doc).
The earth as a whole and everything on it can be summed up as one giant organism where all the living creatures on it, the terrain and conditions sum up a collective consciousness, quite like the invisible hand described in economics, which evolves the the earth thus effecting our lives (social institutions, constructs, greed etc etc etc). ]
Originally posted by sinohptik
Truly wonderful, this thing here.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Originally posted by sinohptik
Truly wonderful, this thing here.
What thing? You mean the nothing of apparent somethingness..?
Nah, it's not THAT big of a deal, except, except for the final realization it is bringiing about, but the nothing of apparent somethingness, it will ONY be truly wonderful and magniticent when "it" (the big BIG nothing) get's reaborbed in the everything already always in the conscious mind of man, so that God will also be self realized at that moment, once man allows himself to be lost in God and to become impressionless and without impression. Only then might the old old old thing be made real, right across the board, rediscovered, recognized in consciousness, and consciousness never forgets that's the beauty of consciousness and God as preserver preserving.
Current man thinks himself to be something else, some "thing" in the something that is nothing, and so God as consciousness itself, at least in man, is falsely imprisoned in matter, assuming that the apparent something is really something, even something wonderful, and something special, but in truth it's nothing at all and therefore nothing to be impressed by (creation as illusion). What's impressive again, is when the nothing we take to be something, is at last recognized as the nothing in EVERYTHING, and then God get's to go ah HA, "I am God", I am not in that, not part of it. "Heaven" then is the causeless cause, the uncreated, unmanifest zero point field (and akashic record in preservation) of a fully recognized and self aware God. Getting TO that point, without taking a certain entheogen, may be a simple matter of logic and reason, and the courage to recognize God and allow God to recognize us, as himself - sounds arrogant I realize, but it's not and cannot be, since truth and humility is to know ourselves as we truly are, and we, as "things" are more nothing, but as no things, in everything? = well, now THAT is another matter (spirit) altogether!
So this "thing" isn't wonderful, nor even this no thing - but the everything already always, recognized, the self undone for all time and God realized, and the no thing reabsorbed in the everything always that alone is REAL, now THAT is truly a wonderful everything everywhere already always..
Interestingly, whenever I get one of these points across really well, and create a clearing of sorts with the "word" I myself then enjoy that clearing I believe that I've been able to make available as an access point for my brother or you, dear reader. Thank you then for also being my own clearing in your "grokking" of these things, it really has an impact!
It's been a long time..
Welcome back everyone to the REAL world... (don't be distracted or impressed, be impressionless and realize reality now and allow God the everything already always to realize himself again, as if for the first time perhaps, through you, it is our purpose as a human being, the GOAL of life and the universe, the very meaning of life itself). Nothing else matters, everything is consciousness become conscious for the sake of consciousness, that the creation might be dedeemed, and everything everywhere already always, fully spiritualized and made REAL! There is no amount of sorrow and suffering which is not worth this GOAL or objective, since it's realization is suffering's very purpose, both meaningless and meaningful suffering since all suffering leads inexorably to conscious suffering and therefore to suffering's undoing, or made meaningful within the context of this supreme goal and objective. This then brings new understanding to the Christ mind willing to take it all on, how admirable, and how ignorant we've been..!
Oblivious to oblivion, this is the God condition once realized, and it is HUMOROUS! You must "grok" that..!
Thank you illusion of creation, for making us real as the good sons of God all creation has been waiting (groaning) in travail to be revealed and made known (realized by God in man with man in God).
God Bless! (however unneccessary the sentiment within the contextual frame of reference I've been using here, just being playful nothing more)